Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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Peace Ra-jah,
English is such a tough language sometimes, I asked for a simple exercise I got a composition, not one sentence being what I asked for, but that's okay, in a way you answered my question, i.e. - You CANNOT come up with ONE VERSE where GOD asks the believers to PRAISE prophet Muhammad. handshakeInstead... )
Quran says about the messanger in the above verses
- He is Wise
- He is honorable
- He is good Judge
- He is truth ful
- He should be dearer to us more than of our relatives and finances.
What else do you call a Praise?
This...- Praise be to God who created the heavens and the Earth, and Who made darkness and light...
Simple and beautiful isn't it? )
How about this, I'll make the exercise a little easier for you, since you found such difficulty in the first one...
Please post ONE verse where God asks the believers to PRAISE ANY messenger.
Lets see how much "reciting" you've done to get this one. Here's a hint, if you can't come up with one, just admit it, we'll understand... really, we will. group
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Nun de plume
Peace Raj-ah,
Quote from Raj-ah on February 17, 2007, 023734 AM
He is Prophet and Messenger that makes him higher than those who are only messengers or only Prophets and than he is the Last Prophetic messenger among those who were both Prophets and messengers.Waothkur fee alkitabi moosa innahu kana mukhlasan wakana rasoolan nabiyyan
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YUSUFALI Also mention in the Book (the story of) Moses for he was specially chosen, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.You have quoted me and I have based my quote on following verse
These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks. And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had GOD willed, their followers would not have fought with each other, after the clear proofs had come to them. Instead, they disputed among themselves; some of them believed, and some disbelieved. Had GOD willed, they would not have fought. Everything is in accordance with GOD's will.Do you understand dear? or like the Wise one's you have some other translation for the above verse??
It is Allah who is saying that he has blessed some more than others and raised some of them to higher ranks.
Will you not believe then??YUSUFALI Muhammad is no more than a messenger many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude
No doubt Muhammad is no more than a messenger in the eyes of Allah.
But Muhammad should be respected and loved as Allah has commanded. -
Idol free wrote
The God is hameed (elevated/exalted)...and one who elevates thierself to God is "muhammad" (one who is elevated).
There is no one historical figure named "Muhammad" whom we must praise..."muhammad" is a concept for us to emulate..we all must strive to be "muhammad", not look for a historical figure to idolize
Muhammad is a fact You cannot deny!
Muhammad is Praised by Allah in different verses and I have pointed out those verses, no matter what ever we say, when reciting those verses we automatically praise Muhammad!
and those who praise Muhammad do nothing against Quran, however if one calls Muhammad for help besides God is going against Quran, if one prays to Muhammad is going against Quran.I will like to have detail conversation with you on this later on.
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Maybe the second time is a charm...
Anyone....
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And whoever obeys God and the messenger will be among those whom God has blessed, from the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the upright. What an excellent companionship!
How does "Prophet Muhammad" obey the "Messenger Muhammad" and fall into the category of all those blessed by The God?
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Salam everyone~
Hmmm, I've been reading this and have some food for the thoughts...
381 And God took a covenant from the prophets "For what I have given you of the Scripture and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him." He said "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?", they said "We testify." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."
384 Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make any distinction between them, and to Him we submit."
386 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
Maybe....just a thought, maybe we testify in our hearts and maybe shahada, that the messenger is true and the prophet for this quran, but we do not bare witness and pray or hold him above any other prophet by including him in prayers etc...
Just a thought
Honor
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These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks. And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had GOD willed, their followers would not have fought with each other, after the clear proofs had come to them. Instead, they disputed among themselves; some of them believed, and some disbelieved. Had GOD willed, they would not have fought. Everything is in accordance with GOD's will.
Where does it say here that Muhamad is one of the messengers raised higher??
We are all Gods subjects and we will be judged in accordance with our deeds, including messengers.
The verse above clearly states that it is God and only God to differentiate between messengers.2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord. And the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Scriptures, and His messengers "We do not differentiate between ANY of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us O Lord, and to you is our destiny."
What is so unclear in this verse???
The first verse talks about God. When it says "We have blessed some more..." it doesn't mean God and Raj-ah.
The second verse is directed to people.Can't you really make a distinction between God and youself????
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Dion
The verse above clearly states that it is God and only God to differentiate between messengers.
Yes; Yes ; Yes my brother there you got it Bingooo! at least you got it! God differeniates between messangers and he does. That is what I pointed out so what is all the fuss about? Some are blessed more and some are on higher ranks and the reason I think Muhammad is on higher rank is obvious, he is messanger with a book and he is the LAst one.
What is expected from Us is to respect them and not compare them with ordinary mail men.
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2285 The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord. And the believers, all who believe in God, and His angels, and His Scriptures, and His messengers "We do not differentiate between ANY of His messengers;" and they said "We hear and obey, forgive us O Lord, and to you is our destiny."What is so unclear in this verse???
Nothing unclear about it, infact very clear, I do not differeniate between any of his messengers, It is Allah who says some have higher ranks, so you getting angry with me makes no sense. )
Dion
The first verse talks about God. When it says "We have blessed some more..." it doesn't mean God and Raj-ah.
hmmmm, Oh it did not mean Rajah and God!
but it means God differeniates between them, so some one is higher than the others, is it some maths unsolvable problem?
Dion
Can't you really make a distinction between God and youself?
I was trying to... until I read the following
Idol free
......., instead let us continue to be more and more God-like in character.
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Obviously God told you not to think about this. Unless you differentiate between verses too.
Remember the verse not to differentiate between messengers.Good one! ;D
Interesting posts Dion, I think I'm reading them for the first time, belated welcome ).
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Peace Ra-jah,
Zenje
Please post ONE verse where God asks the believers to PRAISE ANY messenger.Please post ONE verse where God asks believers not to PRAISE MUhammad by Name
Am I the one who claimed that the prophet is to be praised?... ummm, no, therefore = burden of proof = you.
If there's no verse asking us to praise the messenger, but there IS a verse saying...
- And He is GOD, there is no god but He. To HIM belongs all praise in the first and in the last, and judgment belongs with Him, and to Him you will be returned.
I would have thought it was obvious, but I guess not. )
zeljko, you have a valid point. However, you're beating a dead horse. And that's why this is my last post on this thread.
Peace be with you. )
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Peace sis Honor,
Salam everyone~
Hmmm, I've been reading this and have some food for the thoughts...
381 And God took a covenant from the prophets "For what I have given you of the Scripture and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him." He said "Do you testify, and agree to this burden?", they said "We testify." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you bearing witness."
384 Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make any distinction between them, and to Him we submit."
386 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.
Maybe....just a thought, maybe we testify in our hearts and maybe shahada, that the messenger is true and the prophet for this quran, but we do not bare witness and pray or hold him above any other prophet by including him in prayers etc...
Just a thought
Honor
In 381 God is asking the prophets to testify and bear witness to the COVENANT, and not the messengership of a particular messenger. Note that in 381, the prophets are being asked to BELIEVE and SUPPORT the messenger, not testify the messengership. For an explanation as to which messenger is being referred to in this verse, please see the following post for an interesting understanding which makes total sense
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10190.0
386 is not referring to witnessing messengership itself but witnessing whether a messenger is true or not, and how can we do that ? .... By witnessing for ourselves (verifying) the truth of the message brought by the messenger.
As to the messengership itself, we have not directly witnessed it and The God alone is enough as a witness of the messengership
4828 He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the system of truth, so that it would expose all other systems. And God is sufficient as a witness.
479 Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness.
1343 And those who reject say "You are not a messenger." Say "God is sufficient as a witness between me and you, the One who has the knowledge of the Scripture."
If people testify or witness the messengership itself without having witnessed/seen it themselves, then they are giving a false testimony and thus become liars/hypocrites
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say "We bear witness that you are the messenger of God." And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
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Salam Tanaveer,
Thank you for your interpretation. It is neccessary to show those ayats you listed to give clarification as to what the ayats I listed mean, as well as to show that it is not neccessary for us to bear witness to muhammad when believing in the words of the quran, the wisdom of the Quran,and the truth of Islam. I agree with you. I do believe its neccessary however to believe in Muhammad, his journey, his prophethood, and to not underestimate his importance. I do believe in him, and bear witness to god, that I do, in my heart and soul. Just as I bear witness to god, that I believe in him, as the one and only god, and that the Quran is our truth.
Honor
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honor wrote
I do believe its neccessary however to believe in Muhammad, his journey, his prophethood, and to not underestimate his importance. I do believe in him, and bear witness to god, that I do, in my heart and soul. Just as I bear witness to god, that I believe in him, as the one and only god, and that the Quran is our truth.
May God Bless You.
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Nun de plume
You have quoted me and I have based my quote on following verse
These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks. And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had GOD willed, their followers would not have fought with each other, after the clear proofs had come to them. Instead, they disputed among themselves; some of them believed, and some disbelieved. Had GOD willed, they would not have fought. Everything is in accordance with GOD's will.Do you understand dear? or like the Wise one's you have some other translation for the above verse??
It is Allah who is saying that he has blessed some more than others and raised some of them to higher ranks.
Will you not believe then??If God blessed you more than others (wealth, talent, wisdom, etc.) should we also praise you?
The answer is NO!
No doubt Muhammad is no more than a messenger in the eyes of Allah.
We are clearly told it should be in our eyes as well ? Qur?an does not contradict!
Do you understand now?
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Plume
If God blessed you more than others (wealth, talent, wisdom, etc.) should we also praise you?The answer is NO!
But he has not Chosen me as his messanger, and the above verse if you have time to read, instead of pointing out at me, it is talking about differeniating among Messangers and also reason is given in it.
Do you understand now?
No! not at all, at least by your logic!
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Plume
If God blessed you more than others (wealth, talent, wisdom, etc.) should we also praise you?The answer is NO!
But he has not Chosen me as his messanger, and the above verse if you have time to read, instead of pointing out at me, it is talking about differeniating among Messangers and also reason is given in it.
Peace Raj-ah,
Differentiating amongst Messengers only in blessings, miracles, talent, wisdom, etc. does not mean they are above being humans, same as certain people amongst us are blessed with talents, wealth, etc., does not mean they are any better than any other person for all are equal in that regard.
Otherwise, according to your logic, Qur?an contradicts and it never does!
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Al-Fatiha (The Opening, 7 verses)
1.1. IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE ALL-MERCIFUL, THE ALL-COMPASSIONATE
1.2. All praise and gratitude (whoever gives them to whomever for whatever reason and in whatever way from the first day of creation until eternity) are for God, the Lord of the worlds,
1.3. The All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate,
1.4. The Master of the Day of Judgment.
1.5. You alone do We worship and from You alone do we seek help.
1.6. Guide us to the Straight Path,
1.7. The Path of those whom You have favored, not of those who have incurred (Your) wrath (punishment and condemnation), nor of those who are astray.Peace!
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Plume
Otherwise, according to your logic, Qur?an contradicts and it never does!
Quran contradicts or not is another topic, we are talking about what Quran says. Yes your intentions are good You like all of us can't see contradictory Quran, but for that matter we can't change or ammend Quran according to our thoughts, which is being done here at this web site.
Much is said on that and more will just give arise to confusions, so let me post my final POst on the subject and conclude it then if you still have any confusion regarding Praise or Rank of Muhammad Rasool Allah, we will surely discuss it.
So far in those who oppose respecting Muhammad, only Mr. Tanveer and Idolfree came up with some arguments weak though but we will discuss them in concluding post.
I want to thank BOOST, Siki, honor and all others who participated and increased our knowldge and faith.