What would we be the result if we tested MALE homosexuals on a lie detector?
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The biggest problem with homosexuals in any society ever is guys like you JK who make it one.
The elite are not evil because they are homosexuals. They are homosexuals out of some romantisised idea comming out of greece, that is the said birhtplace of the holey democracy, most the the religions in the west etc... And far from all of them are so, but some of them are so, and the ideal of a greek civilisation that never excsisted outside the minds of the likes of plato, socrates etc..is so strong that people live up to it with religious commitment. If you are thinking bohemian grove and the rumors relating, what you should realy ask youself, is why its held in a redwood grove and at that particular time at the year. Ill give you a clue, something grows there, something that has been associated with the sun and penises since....forever apparently. Their homosexuality is not the clue about why they are so ?#(/( in the ear, its a symptom.
best wishes.
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Peace "khalil",
Peace Jonny
Not everything is scientific or capable of being determined by an equation.
JK- Homosexuality can definitely by studied scientfically as id say is the case with everything we experience. It is most liekly both a psychological and a hormonal problem.
That sounds like nonsense and superstition. How have you verified this?
JK- We have verified this by verifying whether the Quran is from GOD or not. Weve seen that it is with high probability and so we accept this statment as being true also just as people wouldve accepted 2130 before this phenomena was proven through other means. Same is here. And im not being dogmatic. Theres still a tiny chance that the interpretation of those verses is wrong. Thts why i suggested this lie detector test in order to clarify the issue once and for all.
Elaborate on how it is wrong and a crime against humanity.
JK- Just check the gay/homosexual threads on this forum. In one of them theres a huge list of statistics showing that much if not most of the STDs are caused by homosexuality activity. I predict if we just stopped homosexuality for a year the spreading of STDs would drastically decrease even as compared to stopping other illegal sexual activity, though that too is a crime. GOD Bless!
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Peace "holyerthanyou",
great, sounds imilar to the reasoning suurounding the last "miracolous" lie detector. Problem is, how does it solve people who are so convinced of their lies that its real to them. All kinds of (the same as before mind you) problems arise. And i doubt they will get solved just because they up the ante of technology. And what youre reffering to is NOT a polygraph test, which is what you where talking about in your OP.
JK- How many times do ive to mention this? Ofcourse there may be, though also not necessarily, be many hs sheep who really believe wht theyr doing is right. Such need enlightenment. Wer talking about the hs Elite like for example the leader of the FDP party in Germany "Guido Westerwelle". I predict such people know that what theyr doing is entirely wrong but they still do it because they have an agenda. I may be wrong but thts wht wed find out through the lie detector test. And wht i was talking abt in my original post is a polygraph test, poly meaning many and graph meaning plotting. Now since there is more than one graph plotted on the paper including various factors it is a polygraph test, simple.
history and the study of it is nonsensible? facts are nonsensible? evidence is none sensible?
JK- What evidnce? I said i dont beleive tht hs is wrong because of these religious and sentimental notions so no need to give me those details.
interresting, you just sacked all relegious historical research conducted in the last 1500 years just like that. I do wonder however, if you really have read enough to make such a blatant conclution or youre making it out of comfort. The only nonsense here is this
"i allready knows it all, and i have numerology to prove it"....yeah right buddy! ;D
JK- Who says that i know it all? Yes the Quran mentions many things which are rigght and wrong so we know that part. But there are many things which remain to be studied like how is it wrong, what are the causes etc which im all willing to study so wht is your problem? Just letting the issue rest might cause much harm to society? Are you willing to take that risk? If yes than your just as close minded as the religious folk on the other hand. And should the lie detector test fall out negative then i have to reconsider the interpretation of certain Quranic verses. But id like perfectly controlled conditions.
this is the same reasoning that some other peoples used back in the 30's that wanted to find out why it was that jews was kicked out of every single european country at some point or the other, because obviously it has to have something to it then. So obviously there must be some kind of problem with jews since their societies keep pushing them out, right? What im talking about btw, led to the holocaust.
best wishes
JK- Oh man here we go again. We do not cast out people merely because of their beliefs. Homosexuality itself is not punishable as i mentioned earlier BUT THE ACT and as i predit hs itself would not come out as a belief, at least by the Elite. They have an agenda. They know its wrong. If they dont then we could enlighten them and they need to at least listen to the facts we bring up. But if they really have an agenda then they need to be punished. GOD Bless!
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Peace "holyerthanyou",
The biggest problem with homosexuals in any society ever is guys like you JK who make it one.
JK- Common now your being emotional rather than rational. Im merely suggesting a good test and if was wrong then well perform another stats test and then enlighten the homosexuals with it. If they emotionally reject those facts then wed have to reperform the lie detector test as to whther theyr now just ignoring the new facts or whether they really after giving it some rational thought came to the conclusion that it aint right. in case of the latter i will certainly recnsider the interpretation of the verses on question but why put the cart before the horse whilst 2130 and many other verses came out to be true though te prob was close to zero of this happening?
The elite are not evil because they are homosexuals. They are homosexuals out of some romantisised idea comming out of greece, that is the said birhtplace of the holey democracy, most the the religions in the west etc... And far from all of them are so, but some of them are so, and the ideal of a greek civilisation that never excsisted outside the minds of the likes of plato, socrates etc..is so strong that people live up to it with religious commitment. If you are thinking bohemian grove and the rumors relating, what you should realy ask youself, is why its held in a redwood grove and at that particular time at the year. Ill give you a clue, something grows there, something that has been associated with the sun and penises since....forever apparently. Their homosexuality is not the clue about why they are so ?#(/( in the ear, its a symptom.
best wishes.
JK- Well as i said the lie detector test can easily answer all those questions so dont shy away here. I know that the Elite folk aint not all bad either. There are many good rich and powerful people on earth. On the other hand many others who aint hs are vil. I know tht too. BUT the point that hs ACTIVITY in itself is evil AND THAT IS MOST PROBABLY KNOWN BY THE VERY ELITE WHICH IS HS is not clear at all. If this were true then i can tell you right now that the world would be shocked and theyd reconsider the sunject definitely. GOD Bless!
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youre not making any sense. The MRI scan is no failsafe method and has the excact same flaws as the old polygraph test, and causes the same concerns in scientists, that doesnt sell the device. So test people for what, a homosexual would answer no to the questions and NOT be lying. You would think that he is lying but that is based on your own concepts and ideas, not his.
Homosexuality itself is not punishable as i mentioned earlier BUT THE ACT and as i predit hs itself would not come out as a belief, at least by the Elite.
ho?mo?sex?u?al (h'm-sk'sh-l, -m-) Pronunciation Key
adj. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.sexual orientation
n. The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes.homosexuality is defined by the sexual act.what reasons do you have to belive it is otherwise, especially with the elite?
JK- What evidnce? I said i dont beleive tht hs is wrong because of these religious and sentimental notions so no need to give me those details.
then why is it wrong according to you?
Just letting the issue rest might cause much harm to society?
from what i can observe, not leaving it alone has caused the harm to society if you belive in cause and reaction not the fact that men or females have sex with their own sex.
Are you willing to take that risk?
what excactly are your concerns, it doesnt stand out very obvious from what you are writing. you use some very broad overall terms, but doesnt cut it to the bone of what you mean. A
If yes than your just as close minded as the religious folk on the other hand.
are there other people you think we should make random lie detector tests on, "just to make sure" they are not up to somthing? Dont you realise what it is that youre advocating here? Think before you speak God damnit!
They know its wrong.
you think its wrong, what makes you think they share the view, given that they do not belive in any scripture condemning it, and for many of them, they dont even belive in God. Should they somehow realise how wrong it is because it is "unnatural"?? cars are unnatural, polyester, coca cola and mcdonalds is unnatural, shouldnt we lie detector test these poison tanks aswell? The whole idea of "unnatural" is so flawed and coloured on its own that its simply not a serious argument. The only arguement left is the religious concern, and i have a lot more respect for people who stand by their religious convictions including condemning of homosexuality "because God says so", than people who try to weasel out of it with poor and circular reasoning.
Best wishes
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JK- Common now your being emotional rather than rational. Im merely suggesting a good test and if was wrong then well perform another stats test and then enlighten the homosexuals with it.
enlighten them according to your own religious convictions and interpretations, yes i get it. Why do you think i insist it is a religious problem if any problem at all.
If they emotionally reject those facts then wed have to reperform the lie detector test as to whther theyr now just ignoring the new facts or whether they really after giving it some rational thought came to the conclusion that it aint right.
in other words, keep testing them over untlil "they give in and agree with YOU"
in case of the latter i will certainly recnsider the interpretation of the verses on question but why put the cart before the horse whilst 2130 and many other verses came out to be true though te prob was close to zero of this happening?
so youre willing to put random people through humiliating procedures of suspicion just so you can be sure you interpretated your religious scripture right. Jonny what you are saying is really disturbing. The mindset you have developed is rather scary.
BUT the point that hs ACTIVITY in itself is evil AND THAT IS MOST PROBABLY KNOWN BY THE VERY ELITE WHICH IS HS is not clear at all.
again you are trying to sell me your religious concepts as infinte truth, and "truths" you are not even sure on i might add, as that is what the hole lie detector thing is about according to your last post
best wishes
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Peace "holyerthanyou",
youre not making any sense. The MRI scan is no failsafe method and has the excact same flaws as the old polygraph test, and causes the same concerns in scientists, that doesnt sell the device. So test people for what, a homosexual would answer no to the questions and NOT be lying. You would think that he is lying but that is based on your own concepts and ideas, not his.
JK- Now wait a minute? If the homosexual ELITE(and more than one will be tested MORE THAN ONCE) answers no to the above questions and the lie detectors shows truth then id have to agree with that and i will. Then ill sit back and think of how to enlighten these people. Also i told you that lie detectirs can only state a certain proablity of whether one is lying or not and that is always so in every part of life. But youll perform the test over multiple times with the psychologist making some additional statements which could make the brain of lier more diifficult to lie. It is very simple if you know how to do it. If consistent lying is shown on the same statements then wed know for sure tht its a lie just as we know tht evolution is true.
ho?mo?sex?u?al (h'm-sk'sh-l, -m-) Pronunciation Key
adj. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.sexual orientation
n. The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes.homosexuality is defined by the sexual act.what reasons do you have to belive it is otherwise, especially with the elite?
JK- No one maybe homosexually oriented and never actually practice anal sex. I myself was hs oriented once. Got over it through self suggestion which maybe enough sometimes but sometimes you may need the aid of another person i.e. most likely psychologist. The point im making is not mainly the orientation but the act i.e. the practice of sex with males.
then why is it wrong according to you?
JK- Because there is statiscal evidence that homosexual activity is very drastically repsonsible for the transfer of STDs and other factors. Please see the posts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11284.60 (Heres the stats)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11284.45 (Read the first post by "Ahmed Bahgat" here specifically)from what i can observe, not leaving it alone has caused the harm to society if you belive in cause and reaction not the fact that men or females have sex with their own sex.
JK- I find it hard to beleive that and this is exactly why i suggest the lie detector test. Lets be open minded to tht test at least.
what excactly are your concerns, it doesnt stand out very obvious from what you are writing. you use some very broad overall terms, but doesnt cut it to the bone of what you mean. A
JK- My concerns are that homosexual activity if not stopped i.e. if male hs are not cured and continue to deny to be cured it may be a disater for our species. More and more of us may follow that direction and we and our offspring will be full of diseases and utterly ruined.
are there other people you think we should make random lie detector tests on, "just to make sure" they are not up to somthing? Dont you realise what it is that youre advocating here? Think before you speak God damnit!
JK- Yes good point, why not? And the last phrase indicates your prejudice of me.
you think its wrong, what makes you think they share the view, given that they do not belive in any scripture condemning it, and for many of them, they dont even belive in God. Should they somehow realise how wrong it is because it is "unnatural"?? cars are unnatural, polyester, coca cola and mcdonalds is unnatural, shouldnt we lie detector test these poison tanks aswell? The whole idea of "unnatural" is so flawed and coloured on its own that its simply not a serious argument. The only arguement left is the religious concern, and i have a lot more respect for people who stand by their religious convictions including condemning of homosexuality "because God says so", than people who try to weasel out of it with poor and circular reasoning.
Best wishes
JK- I need to suprise you once more. It is not unnatural in an absoute sense meaning there maybe some animal speies for whom this is beneficial because their immune system is different from our species. I only claim it is harmful for our species and therefore GOD condemned it. And i strongly believe the educated hs folk know this only too well but just as a fraudster knows hes doing wrong he continues to do so inorder to fulfill his desire nomatter how much others may suffer. But let the lie detector test decide, i maybe wrong. GOD Bless!
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Peace "holyerthanyou",
enlighten them according to your own religious convictions and interpretations, yes i get it. Why do you think i insist it is a religious problem if any problem at all.
JK- Why you insist? I dont know. I cnt tell. Maybe your misguided, not enough informaton has been processed by your brain regarding this issue or your just emotional reg the sex issue and that everyone should get it satisfied be it at the cost of others which you not necessary consciously but subconsciously ignore. Just be open minded and allow for the lie detector test to take place. I bet in your subconscious you wanna know the truth just as i do.
in other words, keep testing them over untlil "they give in and agree with YOU"
JK- More excuses. Thts not what wed do. Yes the questions would be asked more than once but not 100s of times. There would be a limit. I say at most 7 times and no force would be used. The test would take place in public or live tv with the hs knowing this. There are no secret drugs used or violent techniques in a lab.
so youre willing to put random people through humiliating procedures of suspicion just so you can be sure you interpretated your religious scripture right. Jonny what you are saying is really disturbing. The mindset you have developed is rather scary.
JK- It wont be humiliating at all. That is another of your poblem. Infact it would if it goes against my current thoughts make us react much more kind towards even practcing male hs as wed then know that their intentions were never to do wrong. Think about that. As for you talking about my mindset this is because relative to you momentarily this is a deviation for the main active info in your consciousness. i ask you to think over this thoroughly for a few days and then come back and tell me what you think without prejudice. Remeer also tht im not asking for any kind of slaughter for males hs even if they fail the lie detector test. The punishment i find appropriate would something like that for fraud or IF the majority agrees exile.
again you are trying to sell me your religious concepts as infinte truth, and "truths" you are not even sure on i might add, as that is what the hole lie detector thing is about according to your last post
best wishes
JK- A scientific minded person cannot claim that hes 100% sure of something, only that it is highly probable that something is true which i am tht male hs activity is dangerous for society in especially in the long run and that we must do something to enlighten those people just as the creatiuonists need to be enlightened about evolution being true. GOD Bless!
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JK- Now wait a minute? If the homosexual ELITE(and more than one will be tested MORE THAN ONCE) answers no to the above questions and the lie detectors shows truth then id have to agree with that and i will. Then ill sit back and think of how to enlighten these people. Also i told you that lie detectirs can only state a certain proablity of whether one is lying or not and that is always so in every part of life. But youll perform the test over multiple times with the psychologist making some additional statements which could make the brain of lier more diifficult to lie. It is very simple if you know how to do it. If consistent lying is shown on the same statements then wed know for sure tht its a lie just as we know tht evolution is true.
but why is it that you want to test them in the first place? what concerns is it that you have excatly that are founded not on emotional interpretation of religious concepts and ideas?
JK- No one maybe homosexually oriented and never actually practice anal sex. I myself was hs oriented once. Got over it through self suggestion which maybe enough sometimes but sometimes you may need the aid of another person i.e. most likely psychologist. The point im making is not mainly the orientation but the act i.e. the practice of sex with males.
so sex to you is reduced to putting your "thingie" into something?
JK- Because there is statiscal evidence that homosexual activity is very drastically repsonsible for the transfer of STDs and other factors. Please see the posts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11284.60 (Heres the stats)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11284.45 (Read the first post by "Ahmed Bahgat" here specifically)that is bulls*** plain and simple. It is the gay cancer talk all over again. Remember that one? its nothing but biased drivel that you can find on pages such as "God-hates-fags.com" that is christian fundamentalism of the worst kind. What you linked to is but a random collection of studies of some which are more than 60 years old and obviously coloured by the atmosphere at the time. Like linking homosexuals with peadophiles and rapist..this from your own quote, and from 1948. Thats just not serious.
So, where back to religious motivated opposition, and you just parroted a branch of the KKK mate.
JK- I find it hard to beleive that and this is exactly why i suggest the lie detector test. Lets be open minded to tht test at least.
yeeah so who should be next to be submitted to such a degrading, henious and suspicious thing just because we dislike their choice as adults?
JK- My concerns are that homosexual activity if not stopped i.e. if male hs are not cured and continue to deny to be cured it may be a disater for our species. More and more of us may follow that direction and we and our offspring will be full of diseases and utterly ruined.
by this logic its a wonder that the whole world is not homosexual allready, look at greece. are they only homosexuals today? was it because they submitted the homosexual to lie detector tests that it isnt so? and cured of what?
JK- Yes good point, why not? And the last phrase indicates your prejudice of me.
thats not true. what youre pulling there is a monkey out of the hat. When you start to argue tat "certain" groups should be "tested" just to "make sure", it rings some very unpleasant bells. Especially as you admit it is mainly to fullfiill your own egoistic doubt about your own interpretations. Thats really scary.
JK- I need to suprise you once more. It is not unnatural in an absoute sense meaning there maybe some animal speies for whom this is beneficial because their immune system is different from our species. I only claim it is harmful for our species and therefore GOD condemned it
you have no evidence of this outside the Quran, plain and simple. There is not a scientist in the world, not motivated by relligious conviction that would subscribe to these views of yours.
And i strongly believe the educated hs folk know this only too well but just as a fraudster knows hes doing wrong he continues to do so inorder to fulfill his desire nomatter how much others may suffer. But let the lie detector test decide, i maybe wrong. GOD Bless!
i dont need to submit people to hummiliating tests that satisfy your ego, to tell you that youre wrong. Logic alone could do that, but yeah thats what religion will do to your mind.
best wishes
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JK- Why you insist? I dont know. I cnt tell. Maybe your misguided, not enough informaton has been processed by your brain regarding this issue or your just emotional reg the sex issue and that everyone should get it satisfied be it at the cost of others which you not necessary consciously but subconsciously ignore. Just be open minded and allow for the lie detector test to take place. I bet in your subconscious you wanna know the truth just as i do.
No, idont have the doubts that you do, but im not enslaved by a religious mindset either, so there you have it. I have no problem trusting people for whom they are, not what they are, or distrust them based on actions, not ideals or sexuality. Im not being emotional about this, you are, and its ironic that you fail to see it.
JK- More excuses. Thts not what wed do. Yes the questions would be asked more than once but not 100s of times. There would be a limit. I say at most 7 times and no force would be used. The test would take place in public or live tv with the hs knowing this. There are no secret drugs used or violent techniques in a lab.
you are obviously insane. Whos next, jews?
JK- It wont be humiliating at all. That is another of your poblem. Infact it would if it goes against my current thoughts make us react much more kind towards even practcing male hs as wed then know that their intentions were never to do wrong. Think about that.
yeah...arbeid macht frei. We dont put you into these camps because we dont like you, but because we care so much for you and is worryed that youll get hurt in the war. yeah i have heard similar semi religious crap before.
As for you talking about my mindset this is because relative to you momentarily this is a deviation for the main active info in your consciousness. i ask you to think over this thoroughly for a few days and then come back and tell me what you think without prejudice.
you are the one with prejudice against someone, not me.
Remeer also tht im not asking for any kind of slaughter for males hs even if they fail the lie detector test. The punishment i find appropriate would something like that for fraud or IF the majority agrees exile.
how very human of you
JK- A scientific minded person cannot claim that hes 100% sure of something, only that it is highly probable that something is true which i am tht male hs activity is dangerous for society in especially in the long run and that we must do something to enlighten those people just as the creatiuonists need to be enlightened about evolution being true. GOD Bless!
so when are you goin to enlighten us as to why it is so dangerous? without resorting to KKK branch divisions research?
best wishes
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Peace "holyerthanyou",
but why is it that you want to test them in the first place? what concerns is it that you have excatly that are founded not on emotional interpretation of religious concepts and ideas?
JK- My dear friend theres absolutely no emotional interpreattion. The interpretation has been done taking nto account Arabic grammar and context as well as related verses and the meaning is very accurate. Since the Quran is the book which agreed with many natural phenomena which have later been discovered by science and its verses being also connected by an intricate mathemtcail pattern this adds further probability that these staements condemning male hs is also true. This is absolutely rational just like proving the theory of evolution and common descent. Creationists just like you are the ones being emotional here.
so sex to you is reduced to putting your "thingie" into something?
JK- Yes in my understanding the real part of sex is that but this maybe subjective and one can argue on this. I have no prob with discussing this separately.
that is bulls*** plain and simple. It is the gay cancer talk all over again. Remember that one? its nothing but biased drivel that you can find on pages such as "God-hates-fags.com" that is christian fundamentalism of the worst kind. What you linked to is but a random collection of studies of some which are more than 60 years old and obviously coloured by the atmosphere at the time. Like linking homosexuals with peadophiles and rapist..this from your own quote, and from 1948. Thats just not serious.
JK- I can see your problem. Everything that Christians claim is wrong. Now if that aint emotional then i dont know what is? This is not being objective at all. If the Christians could prove positively that their entire scripture i.e. Bible is from GOD then nobody would deny that but much of the Bible has been proved wrong which is not the case with the Quran.
yeeah so who should be next to be submitted to such a degrading, henious and suspicious thing just because we dislike them?
JK- I have no problem going through such a lie detector test. Infact if anyone calls me ill be the first to agree.
by this logic its a wonder that the whole world is not homosexual allready, look at greece. are they only homosexuals today? was it because they submitted the homosexual to lie detector tests that it isnt so? and cured of what?
JK- Now if tht aint a silly statement. I can compare this to the same silly notion of Cretaionists when they ask "if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes today". This is exactly the same. Some people are more likely to adapt to an environemt than others. The ones who aint homo aare very stable in their environent and neuropsychology in this case that theyr not tempted by such whilst others aint.
thats not true. what youre pulling there is a monkey out of the hat. When you start to argue tat "certain" groups should be "tested" just to "make sure", it rings some very unpleasant bells. Especially as you admit it is mainly to fullfiill your own egoistic doubt about your own interpretations. Thats really scary.
JK- Im not the only one in the world who thinks those hs Elites have an agenda. There are millions of ppl who think so and it would be good for everybody so plz be open minded.
you have no evidence of this outside the Quran, plain and simple. There is not a scientist in the world, not motivated by relligious conviction that would subscribe to these views of yours.
JK- I dont think this is correct. Even some atheists are against this act. My mother has discussed this with one of her atheist friend once. The point is most scientists have not really taken interest in the field. We cant say something before weve actually tested it and ive suggested an easy test that wont require time limited prohibitions etc which are difficult right now and wld otherwise be necessary.
i dont need to submit people to hummiliating tests that satisfy your ego, to tell you that youre wrong. Logic alone could do that, but yeah thats what religion will do to your mind.
best wishes
JK- wheres the logic? I dont see any. People a few centuries ago thought that the earth is flat and most of them also logically though that the sun must be the one revolving around the earth because thts how they saw it. This is because the human has limited info of the infinite possibilities which maybe. Hence a scientific test is very necessary. GOD Bless!
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JK- My dear friend theres absolutely no emotional interpreattion. The interpretation has been done taking nto account Arabic grammar and context as well as related verses and the meaning is very accurate. Since the Quran is the book which agreed with many natural phenomena which have later been discovered by science and its verses being also connected by an intricate mathemtcail pattern this adds further probability that these staements condemning male hs is also true. This is absolutely rational just like proving the theory of evolution and common descent. Creationists just like you are the ones being emotional here.
im a creationist? interresting, i never knew. This whole section is emotional. It is You who think to have all these wonderfull evidences in a book, that with the right grammar of the language in which the books is written states than sex between males is wrong. So, so far we can conclude that is was right. It IS a religious concern, and you trying to disassociate yourself with religion just doent cut it. You can say that the sky is green all day long, but it wont cange color for that reason.
JK- Yes in my understanding the real part of sex is that but this maybe subjective and one can argue on this. I have no prob with discussing this separately.
it is not realy important to this particular conversation is it? ofcourse it is subjective. everything yo uhave said has been nothing but subjective.
JK- I can see your problem. Everything that Christians claim is wrong.
no that is not what i said, that is you interpretating my words, something you seem very keen on. When Mcdonalds pay someone to make a study claiming that their poision and sugar loaded salads are healthy. Is that then good trust worthy research? When a scientist start out to "prove" that homosexuality wrong, he has failed as a scientist there allready. He is not supposed to prove anything but what the result ends up as regardless of his personal beliefs. The info you provide is not only biased, some of it is so old that it should be excluded on that reason alone.
The other part of it is, have you read any of the books in the litterature list? if the answer is that you havent read atleast a couple of them, how do you know they are not quoting out of context? You dont check up on this because what you read pleases you. It confirms what you allready belive, so nevermind who said it, right?
Do you altso share the KKK's view on black people and jews?
Now if that aint emotional then i dont know what is? This is not being objective at all. If the Christians could prove positively that their entire scripture i.e. Bible is from GOD then nobody would deny that but much of the Bible has been proved wrong which is not the case with the Quran.
so thats what you feel?
JK- I have no problem going through such a lie detector test. Infact if anyone calls me ill be the first to agree.
no you dont, but your vistims of suspicion might not like it. And to say that the reason they dont like it is because they must be up to something is the UBER flaw of any legal system. ohhh so he doesnt want to do it, he must hide something. or perhaps he just think as i do, that it is a ludicris idea rooted so many thousand s of years ago in the worship of fertility that he refuse to participate.
Its like Bush and Blair un surveillance. If you dont have anything to hide, why do you mind that the cops put up cameras in your house? do you have something to hide? This is guilt by association, and thats as emotional as it gets.
JK- Now if tht aint a silly statement. I can compare this to the same silly notion of Cretaionists when they ask "if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes today". This is exactly the same. Some people are more likely to adapt to an environemt than others. The ones who aint homo aare very stable in their environent and neuropsychology in this case that theyr not tempted by such whilst others aint.
It isnt silly, it was your own arguement turned against you. You argue that if we dont stop these henious people, it will spread like wildfire. Homosexuality didnt just pop up a few years ago.
and this is something you can show me a study of?JK- Im not the only one in the world who thinks those hs Elites have an agenda. There are millions of ppl who think so and it would be good for everybody so plz be open minded.
you mean it would be good if people would just agree to your narrow world view, and since when has concensus of a large group automatically meant they are right. I take it the sunnis are true islam then, or am i misunderstanding the point?
JK- I dont think this is correct. Even some atheists are against this act. My mother has discussed this with one of her atheist friend once. The point is most scientists have not really taken interest in the field.
so lets just make do with biased and 60 years old research linking homosexuals with rapist and peadophiles. Guilt by association...again.
We cant say something before weve actually tested it and ive suggested an easy test that wont require time limited prohibitions etc which are difficult right now and wld otherwise be necessary.
its just were not talking about lab rats here, bred to serve your doubts, but people with feelings.
JK- wheres the logic? I dont see any. People a few centuries ago thought that the earth is flat and most of them also logically though that the sun must be the one revolving around the earth because thts how they saw it. This is because the human has limited info of the infinite possibilities which maybe. Hence a scientific test is very necessary. GOD Bless!
actually that was only the catholic church and a few other RELIGIOUS cults that belived that. flat earth vs. round earth is an age old debate, but in the end muscle won for several hundred years untill people started speaking up against the religious madness. no science is not neccecery to to show that you are biased and wrong
so now you have admitted that you think as you do because its in a religious scripture or that may be what you interpretated you way to. You may want to call it something else, and thats fine with me, but the sky is still blue mate.
best wishes
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Peace Jonny,
you ignored or missed this example of mine in regards to the Qurans structure "It isn't. Just as you can create something which a child could percieve as inconcievable, it is not then a stretch to say that another race from another Galaxy or a non carbon based life form from our own created something which to them was quite simple and yet to us is inconcievable."
Do you have any thoughts on that?
JK- Homosexuality can definitely by studied scientfically as id say is the case with everything we experience. It is most liekly both a psychological and a hormonal problem.
Not everyone would view it as a problem, there are people who are homosexual and comfortable with their selves. So again it is subjective. It can be a problem if you are trying to have children, but that is not always the case.
JK- We have verified this by verifying whether the Quran is from GOD or not. Weve seen that it is with high probability and so we accept this statment as being true also just as people wouldve accepted 2130 before this phenomena was proven through other means. Same is here. And im not being dogmatic. Theres still a tiny chance that the interpretation of those verses is wrong. Thts why i suggested this lie detector test in order to clarify the issue once and for all.
That is blind following and you know it. How does that help your soul grow beneficially?
JK- Just check the gay/homosexual threads on this forum. In one of them theres a huge list of statistics showing that much if not most of the STDs are caused by homosexuality activity. I predict if we just stopped homosexuality for a year the spreading of STDs would drastically decrease even as compared to stopping other illegal sexual activity, though that too is a crime. GOD Bless!
The germ theory is based on a war mentality, it is false in my opinion. It views us as seperate from the microbes and views them as an invading force.
I am someone who eats high meat regularly to improve my health; high meat is meat that is allowed to be decomposed for up to 2 years, it is covered in bacteria and molds, it is what the inuits consume during September before the winter; they fill themselves with bacteria because the cold temperature wil prevent bacterial growth., and so they present it inside their body. Have you even verified wheather the Germ theory is true or false?
The microbe will only breed in an environment that contains dead or decaying cells, and it is there to clean up and remove the dead and decaying cells, thats what it feeds on. If you change the environment then the microbes will no longer have anything to feed upon. The disease experienced occours during the process where your body is cleansing/eliminating its self of the dead and decaying cells and stored toxins, when the body has insufficient fat (to discard the toxins/dead cells) then the sickness can be of detriment.
You can look at what Yale and UofT (in assoc. with Sick Childrens hospital) are using to reverse cancer, Ecoli and Salmonella!
UofT has being doing this for over 30 years, they inject you with the verotoxin produced by Ecoli and in 2-7 days the brain tumor is completely shrunk and dissolved.
Yale has being doing this for over 10 years, they have being using Salmonella however. You can google this if you would like.
peace,
Khalil -
Peace "holyerthanyou",
im a creationist? interresting, i never knew. This whole section is emotional. It is You who think to have all these wonderfull evidences in a book, that with the right grammar of the language in which the books is written states than sex between males is wrong. So, so far we can conclude that is was right. It IS a religious concern, and you trying to disassociate yourself with religion just doent cut it. You can say that the sky is green all day long, but it wont cange color for that reason.
JK- Oh man here we go again. The Quran so far consistently has proven itself true and rational. The biggest factor which allowed me to accept it as being true was 2130 when i was just 12 yrs old. Then i discovered or rather got to know about(RK was the initial discoverer) about a marvellous mathemtical pattern in the Quran based upon code-19 which reconfirmed this view just like the evolution supporters view was finally reestablished when mircobiological evidence came up in addition to Darwin' s earlier claims. So it is highly probable that things mentioned in the Quran which we currently dont think of being true(but dont know theyr right either for sure) are also true. Nobody can say for sure that hs aint harmful. Infact there are quite many factors as ive explained which could cause a lot if harm and the main pt being anal sex but this is only one point in the supportive directuion just like Darwin had perhaps only a few pts on the macro level in his time. Would the evoltuinists just have sit back and relaxed the creationists wouldve probably taken over. I never said you were one but your acting like the mentality of one which is very dangerous. Youve made up your mind that hs aint harmful. Ive evidence which goes in the direction that it is so with high probability and yet im ready to perform another test to see whether im right or maybe ill need to recheck the translation thoroughly.
it is not realy important to this particular conversation is it? ofcourse it is subjective. everything yo uhave said has been nothing but subjective.
JK- Well then i must say evolution is subjective too and if you aint a creationist then we both know tht tht is just silly so plz reconsider your statement.
no that is not what i said, that is you interpretating my words, something you seem very keen on. When Mcdonalds pay someone to make a study claiming that their poision and sugar loaded salads are healthy. Is that then good trust worthy research? When a scientist start out to "prove" that homosexuality wrong, he has failed as a scientist there allready. He is not supposed to prove anything but what the result ends up as regardless of his personal beliefs. The info you provide is not only biased, some of it is so old that it should be excluded on that reason alone.
JK- My dear friend a scientist can lay down a hypothesis like "xyz is harmful" and then if the evidence collected under controlled conditions supports the statement to a certain degree it becomes eligible for further investigation until it is again rjected or proven true with high probbaility. Now you say my info is biased, ok ill agree with you tht tht maybe so. But theres still the scripture which has otherwise been rational mentioned statements which are now known to be true but cldnt have been known 1400 yrs ago and a mathemtical pattern connecting the various verses. What more proof do you want to believe that a higher intelligence is telling you somwthing which is wrong and you at least, at the very least, investigate the claim and search for proof like im doing. I guess not doing so would be completely, i dont know, insane.
The other part of it is, have you read any of the books in the litterature list? if the answer is that you havent read atleast a couple of them, how do you know they are not quoting out of context? You dont check up on this because what you read pleases you. It confirms what you allready belive, so nevermind who said it, right?
Do you altso share the KKK's view on black people and jews?
JK- Forget about KKK and forget about the Bible for a second. I dont know whether you accept the Quran as the Word of GOD or not as yet but if you do then the subjecive should definitely be worth studying and the test be taken as i said.
so thats what you feel?
JK- Thats not what i feel. Its what is most logical and reasonable. If the entire Bible were found to be coming from a higher intelligence then i guess only the very foolish ones would deny any of its statements just like those who deny evolution after the evidence.
no you dont, but your vistims of suspicion might not like it. And to say that the reason they dont like it is because they must be up to something is the UBER flaw of any legal system. ohhh so he doesnt want to do it, he must hide something. or perhaps he just think as i do, that it is a ludicris idea rooted so many thousand s of years ago in the worship of fertility that he refuse to participate.
JK- Again you bring in fertility issue which i dont even consider to be the main problem of male hs. Now listen carefully. If i who supports the thesis that "male hs is dangerous to society" am ready to go for a lie detector test and then the male hs are tested we can cross check the results. Suppose i lie and they are true, well then its over for me and on the contrary itd be over for them. Now there shouldnt be any prob should there? Aint tht honest enough?
Its like Bush and Blair un surveillance. If you dont have anything to hide, why do you mind that the cops put up cameras in your house? do you have something to hide? This is guilt by association, and thats as emotional as it gets.
JK- Man what has this got to do with my statement. Did Bush and Blair agree to be be surveilled by the common public through cameras themsleves? If not then your pint is irrelevant since i claim it very boldly "TEST ME FIRST ON THE LIE DETECTOR". Honest enough?
It isnt silly, it was your own arguement turned against you. You argue that if we dont stop these henious people, it will spread like wildfire. Homosexuality didnt just pop up a few years ago.
and this is something you can show me a study of?JK- Ofcourse homosexuality didnt just pop out a few years ago but it has been gaining political and influential power only quite recently. It is also being considered right nowadays and thts the issue here.
you mean it would be good if people would just agree to your narrow world view, and since when has concensus of a large group automatically meant they are right. I take it the sunnis are true islam then, or am i misunderstanding the point?
JK- The majority argument now, oh man. If scientists from all over the world agree on a certain principle independly then the more scientists in tht field reach to the conclusion, the higher the prob of it being true. Majority view on the large scale of people doesnt count because each group has its own bias just like sunnis and shia. Im trying to eliminate bias by suggesting an experiment in which i myself am going to take part first. What can be better than tht?
so lets just make do with biased and 60 years old research linking homosexuals with rapist and peadophiles. Guilt by association...again.
JK- As i said forget about that.
its just were not talking about lab rats here, bred to serve your doubts, but people with feelings.
JK- Well im a human too. I myself agree to the test and infact to be tested first. Wht do you say now?
actually that was only the catholic church and a few other RELIGIOUS cults that belived that. flat earth vs. round earth is an age old debate, but in the end muscle won for several hundred years untill people started speaking up against the religious madness. no science is not neccecery to to show that you are biased and wrong
JK- I find that an ignorant argument.
so now you have admitted that you think as you do because its in a religious scripture or that may be what you interpretated you way to. You may want to call it something else, and thats fine with me, but the sky is still blue mate.
best wishes
JK- As i said its not only my interpretation it is what the grammar and context states with high certainty and before we manipulate or reinterpret somwthing highly certain we should first try and tackle the issue and see what happens otherwise wht would happen is tht all statements in the Quran which talk about laws which we dont yet understand but might come out as true in the future would be useless and this would render the point of a scripture being revealed utterly useless. And as i said im willing to take the ld test first. GOD Bless!
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Peace "khalil",
Peace Jonny,
you ignored or missed this example of mine in regards to the Qurans structure "It isn't. Just as you can create something which a child could percieve as inconcievable, it is not then a stretch to say that another race from another Galaxy or a non carbon based life form from our own created something which to them was quite simple and yet to us is inconcievable."
Do you have any thoughts on that?
JK- Wht exactly do you mean by tht statement? Or do you mean that the Quran cldve been form aliens? Well even if you do then 1) those aliens are amrter than us and theyd most probbaly know whts good for us more than we do 2) the alien issue is ruled out with high prob since the Quran states that it is from a Unit Source/Intelligence i.e. GOD. Now one would have to assert that GOD allowed the aliens to use His name to deliver their inferior info relative to GOD's to us humans which is just silly and ive stated this many times before.
Not everyone would view it as a problem, there are people who are homosexual and comfortable with their selves. So again it is subjective. It can be a problem if you are trying to have children, but that is not always the case.
JK- As i said tht is what you think and this is the reason why we need a lie detector test. Say it comes out the hs elite lied and they knew it was harmful for society? Say they have the facts but ignored them and tried everything to hide them from the public. What then? And remember im willing to be tested first so results can be cross checked.
That is blind following and you know it. How does that help your soul grow beneficially?
JK- No it is not and i no sir i dont know im following anything blindly. The Quran is there to guide us in all matters of our lives. Why do you think the Quran has legal laws mentioned in it? Think of the Quran as a book which if followed what it says could immediately improve society. If one needs to prove it externally i.e. out of the Quran then one may do so and this is exactly what im doing but shying away from both is completely insane.
The germ theory is based on a war mentality, it is false in my opinion. It views us as seperate from the microbes and views them as an invading force.
I am someone who eats high meat regularly to improve my health; high meat is meat that is allowed to be decomposed for up to 2 years, it is covered in bacteria and molds, it is what the inuits consume during September before the winter; they fill themselves with bacteria because the cold temperature wil prevent bacterial growth., and so they present it inside their body. Have you even verified wheather the Germ theory is true or false?
The microbe will only breed in an environment that contains dead or decaying cells, and it is there to clean up and remove the dead and decaying cells, thats what it feeds on. If you change the environment then the microbes will no longer have anything to feed upon. The disease experienced occours during the process where your body is cleansing/eliminating its self of the dead and decaying cells and stored toxins, when the body has insufficient fat (to discard the toxins/dead cells) then the sickness can be of detriment.
You can look at what Yale and UofT (in assoc. with Sick Childrens hospital) are using to reverse cancer, Ecoli and Salmonella!
UofT has being doing this for over 30 years, they inject you with the verotoxin produced by Ecoli and in 2-7 days the brain tumor is completely shrunk and dissolved.
Yale has being doing this for over 10 years, they have being using Salmonella however. You can google this if you would like.
peace,
KhalilJK- What one has to understand is that germs need to be in their place in the human body which theyve been put through GOD's evolutionary processes. Altering their place could cause harm. There are germs which are beneficial in the intestines but as soon as they enter the blood stream, a disaster can occur. I think every doctor and biologist knows this. Anyways this is just one factor. Therre maybe many oters but the lie detector test will definitely shed some light on the issue and rem im the first one willing to take it. GOD Bless!
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peace JK
I know a few homosexuals in school. A girl and a couple of guys. I've looked at them, I've stood next to them, I've talked to them, I've laughed with them (and at them, of course). And you know what, they havn't hurt me.
There was an incident here. An Asian white supremist student (that makes sense, right?) made a hitlist of 20 students he wanted to kill on April 20th. He put a video on Youtube showing off all of his weapons and the police caught him in time. Well, you know what, he wasn't gay.You know what freedom is? it is the idea that an individual can do WHATEVER they want, as long as they do not hurt anyone else or take their freedom away.
I don't care about whether they choose to be gay, or are born gay, or they were forced to be gay. I know that I will let them do whatever they want as long as they don't try to put a plastic fist in my anus. I'm sure you agree that we shouldn't persecute homosexuals.If you do, then I really don't get what the problem is. Is it bothering you that the majority is now accepting homosexuality as OK? well, people do A LOT of things that bother us. We can't change what others believe, whether what they believe is true or not.
I don't care about who my neighbor sleeps with. I really don't. And I don't want to think about it. Unless it's Angelina Jolie.
If you think that homosexuals KNOW that they are doing something wrong, and are still doing it.Then let me tell you that 1, you can't prove that anal sex and male hand holding is "wrong" or harmful. 2, even if it is wrong, as long as you believe in freedom, you cannot do anything about it. Let them live the way they want.
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JK- Oh man here we go again. The Quran so far consistently has proven itself true and rational
.so YOU FEEL neeeext
The biggest factor which allowed me to ac..blahblahblahblahb religious drivel mumbojumbo blahblah numerology blah mumbo.....
ok
JK- Well then i must say evolution is subjective too and if you aint a creationist then we both know tht tht is just silly so plz reconsider your statement.
why do we both know that?. Can you only live with the boxes presented to you by others? are people either against or with you? No midle ground? No room for admitting, that i dont know what happened and it has no impact on my life in any way what so ever admitting that i dont know, and that the socalled "facts" regarding both theories doesnt add up when you scratch the surface. You may jump all the bandwagons you want to, and its obvious that you do, just dont try to drag me along, its boring.
JK- My dear friend a scientist can lay down a hypothesis like "xyz is harmful" and then if the evidence collected under controlled conditions supports the statement to a certain degree it becomes eligible for further investigation until it is again rjected or proven true with high probbaility. Now you say my info is biased, ok ill agree with you tht tht maybe so.
yes this makes sense. this is "good stuff". You info is biased, enough said, but you continue
But theres still the scripture which has otherwise been rationablahblahblahblha numerology religious drivel fellings emotional outburst disquised at pseudoscienceblahblahblah mumbo jumbo....
uhm...ok
JK- Forget about KKK and forget about the Bible for a second. I dont know whether you accept the Quran as the Word of GOD or not as yet but if you do then the subjecive should definitely be worth studying and the test be taken as i said.
I belive the Quran is ALTSO a word of God, that came through the medium of men, and the minds of men, thus contains the errors of men. God is an omnipotent creative force, not a 2nd grade history novel writer. The Quran represents mens ideas of the divine, but as i shre you view that nothing happens without The Divine, the Quran obvoiusly wouldnt have been here if it wasnt wanted here.
JK- Thats not what i feel. Its what is most logical and reasonable.
to YOU after YOU interpreate and in a subjective manner sort the data that YOU FEEL is right because it speaks to YOUR kind of reasoning.
If the entire Bible were found to be coming from a higher intelligence then i guess only the very foolish ones would deny any of its statements just like those who deny evolution after the evidence.
luckily we know for a fact that it didnt, in fact it very much came through men, just like the Quran. I would go as far as state from the same band of men, that learned from their mistake with the code 7. and before that the code 5 ...oh wait.... 7+7+5= 19 OMG ITS A MIRACLE ALLAHLUJA!!!
JK- Again you bring in fertility issue which i dont even consider to be the main problem of male hs.
dud yous aint listening, the reason this particular things is in the Quran is because like the religions before it, its rooted in fertility cults. Man + man not fertility, thus against the most basic tenet of the cult, thus illegal activity or morally wrong if you will. This aint rocket science.
Now listen carefully. If i who supports the thesis that "male hs is dangerous to society" am ready to go for a lie detector test and then the male hs are tested we can cross check the results.
ypu aint going nowhere untill you explain excactly what the socalled danger of homosxuality is, so far you havent done a very convincing job but to convince me that you are just another religious nut, trying to come pf as a pseudo science intellectual to cover up the fact that its just a religion. Like any other religion its never wrong on its own turf, and as the believer can interpretate pretty much as they like....they do
Suppose i lie and they are true, well then its over for me and on the contrary itd be over for them. Now there shouldnt be any prob should there? Aint tht honest enough?
no because at the core it its faulty. Do you want car owners that "might" kill a child by accident to take them too, how about youth that !might" take drugs, or how about just taking all males because we "might" commit rape? The wholoe idea is ludicris, to isolute a single group in a sociey like that based on ones own faulty premises.
JK- Man what has this got to do with my statement. Did Bush and Blair agree to be be surveilled by the common public through cameras themsleves? If not then your pint is irrelevant since i claim it very boldly "TEST ME FIRST ON THE LIE DETECTOR". Honest enough?
Its the same thing youre saying. If you have nothing to hide, they shouldnt object taking a lie detector test to satisfy YOU! This is right down the line there iwth all the other fascists out there. You are just another colour to the fascist pallette. what fukcing difference does it make that Bush install cameras in his house first, they dont that doesnt remove the ones in your house now does it?. I dont care how many tests you take, by all means go right ahead and spend your life in the MRI, just dont expect others to want to participate in your ludicris ideas even if you "go first".
that you "go first" proves fcuk "o" about the validity of the test, or the validity of even making it in the first place.
JK- Ofcourse homosexuality didnt just pop out a few years ago but it has been gaining political and influential power only quite recently. It is also being considered right nowadays and thts the issue here.
So it as in rome, so it was in arabia (read old arab poetry, thats juicy man), so it was in greece, so it was everywhere... Its nothing new that the homosexuals are in the political arena. THey dont have children obviously, so they have the time. But ask most of them what they would want, a family and being concidered "normal" or being a well known politician. I know what my freind would want.
JK- The majority argument now, oh man. If scientists from all over the world agree on a certain principle independly then the more scientists in tht field reach to the conclusion, the higher the prob of it being true
blatanatly false!!! blatantly. it was "science that insisted the world was flat, science payed for by the church that true, like the gay thing you posted was. It is the majority of scientist that take evolution as a fact, when it at best is an idea with some merrits, a theory. not fact. theory. But the majortiy of scientists think its facts not theory. My wife is a dentist, she thought phlouride is good for your health, because that is what her faculty tought her, after looking into it herself, she admits that the majority of dental scientists are either mislead, retarded or manipulative for gain. I could go in, what you say is simply not true!
Majority view on the large scale of people doesnt count because each group has its own bias just like sunnis and shia. Im trying to eliminate bias by suggesting an experiment in which i myself am going to take part first. What can be better than tht?
not making an experiment on other people based on your own bias, hows that?
JK- I find that an ignorant argument.
have you actually read what youre writing jonny?
JK- As i said its not only my interpretation it is what the grammar
the grammer dots, is a rather new adidtion to the Quran. The earlyest known Qurans did not have those, because they wasnt invented at the time. So i take that arguemnt with a grain , or rather, a barrel of salt.
best wishes
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I don't care about who my neighbor sleeps with. I really don't. And I don't want to think about it. Unless it's Angelina Jolie.
spot on, its none of our God damn business!
Best wishes
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and whatever it is you want to do, a polygraph test isn't really that accurate. All it does is measure levels of stress. Based on the theory that people get stressed when they lie. And it doesn't work when a person believes the lie.
it doesnt work period