Meaning of hamd
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Salaams Nadeem,
Are we supposed to let people do what ever they like?or are we supposed to straighten out the evil and prevent the building of their evil nests.
Faisbir AAala mayaqooloona wasabbih bihamdi rabbika qabla tulooAAialshshamsi waqabla alghuroobi
Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting.
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Bear, then with patience, all that they say, and strive in establishing thy lord before the rising of the avaricious and before there disappearing into safety/ hiding (whence they may be difficult to find).Likewise here is what Allah did and He is asking the prophet to follow it up.
Wakam ahlakna qablahum min qarnin humashaddu minhum batshan fanaqqaboo fee albiladi halmin maheesin
But how many generations before them did We destroy (for their sins),- stronger in power than they? Then did they wander through the land was there any place of escape (for them)?
That is how I understood it, but feel at peace as all this is taking place all around the world anyway.
Whether we support it or what ever else.
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Peace brother,
The quran has in a multitude of verses addressed the issue of allowing violence with a resounding NO. Thus, even without the verses containing 'muhammed' the quran is not rendered speachless in matters of transgression. Nor does it become lacking in guiding us to ours goals.
Why do you then feel the need to dismiss Muhammed as a name? Where are the grammatical grounds for this? Where are historical records to indicate that Muhammad was fabricated, a concoction like santa claus?
I have no personal objection hindering me from discarding the existence of the historical muhammed. I did not know the messenger and have no information on him what-so-ever, other than that from the translated quran.
Nadeem
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Peace all,
There is a PARADOX which has to be understood here!
One becomes exalted when he becomes empty! UTTERLY EMPTY. That is when one arrives to the state of HIGHER SELF! The exalted one.
So you need to go down to get up there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That state is reached when one becomes forgetful of the illusion of I, me , mine.During spiritual practices we can approach such a state! One becomes so fully vanished in the remembrance of the IDEAL, that all frames of reference to oneself vanishes. A glowing face is the physical reaction of body to this state.
When one becomes succesful in purification then his ego inflates. He becomes proud of his ideas. Instead of being united he segregates and gets separated. That ego with all his beautifull attributes has to be sacrificed to arrive the garden of peace.
peace,
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Peace Brother Alpha97,
Your ideas on emptiness are thought provoking, however, they do not resolve the subject at hand.
Since when were words decoded using philosophy and symbolism?
Etymology is the set of rules that we should be subscribing to, thus tracking down the word through history and observing its usage.
Peace brother Idolfree1,
You translated "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena" as "Elevate to The God, Lord of the Worlds" and declared on basis of this that "This is what we are asked to do".
My knowledge of arabic stretches no further than 3 chapters, yet, I'm confident that the arabic quoted above doesn't contain a single verb, nor is it a question. It is a statement.
There is no preposition "To" in there do indicate direction, rather it indicates ownership. "Ilaa" is the particle you're looking for, which you'll not find in 12. The particle here is Li- which means "to" or "for" indicating possession, as opposed to "ilaa" which indicates direction.
"Al-hamdu li-llahi" = the hamd (is) for the god.
Can you explain to me, grammatically, how a verb can be 'owned' or 'possessed'?
It has to be a noun.
Nadeem
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peace Nadeem,
I admire your open mindedness on this issue. And you do raise a good point.
the thing is that although symbolism cannot be used to translate a word, it can be, and sometimes has to be, used to to understand the meaning of a passage.
And how can there be a sentence without a verb? What does alhamdu lillah mean, then? I thought it meant "praise be to God?" (notice the verb in there).
And, how many times is the word "muhammad" used in the quran? I'm asking because most translations add muhammad's name whereever they can stuff it.
And isn't "mu-hammad" similar to "mu-slim?" -
Peace Brother Phoenix,
I admire your open mindedness on this issue. And you do raise a good point.
Thanks -)
the thing is that although symbolism cannot be used to translate a word, it can be, and sometimes has to be, used to to understand the meaning of a passage.
To which I concur wholeheartedly. In order to do so, however, we need to establish that the words are linked in such a manner that they give grounds for a symbolistic view. So far, the evidence dismisses any such grounds.
And how can there be a sentence without a verb?
Arabic has no verb "to be" in the present tense. See pg. 11 of "arabic through the quran" by Alan Jones.
Usually, the -un suffix is added to adjectives following a noun to indicate the 'is'. For example "Allahy qawwiyun" means "God is great".
I thought it meant "praise be to God?" (notice the verb in there)
Refer to my post right before your own.
And, how many times is the word "muhammad" used in the quran?
I do not know.
And isn't "mu-hammad" similar to "mu-slim?"
I believe they are. So is Musharraf "one who is exalted". You know where I'm going with this.
Nadeem
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So Br;
Please tell if there-
can be other Musharraf's apart from the one you may know of with such qualities.-one who is exalted.
I hope i didn't misunderstand.
Thanks Br
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Peace Brother Alpha97,
Your ideas on emptiness are thought provoking, however, they do not resolve the subject at hand.
Since when were words decoded using philosophy and symbolism?
Etymology is the set of rules that we should be subscribing to, thus tracking down the word through history and observing its usage.
Peace Nadeem,
That is a very static way, in my understanding.
decoding is by itself is a very rigid framework of looking at words.It is about the coherence position of a word within a contenxt.
For example
Loving your money in the bank.
Loving your child.
Loving your enemy.The word loving here adjusts itself to its context and becomes three different meanings. It is about the seeking of implicit behind the explicit.
we will talk more.
peace,
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Iiliza
Peace Ra-jah,
We all can be, and indeed are, inspired from time to time. All humans can possibly attain to the highest states. We all have the capability of 'hearing' God speak, we just have to learn listen with our hearts, not our minds.
I don't believe that anyone has ever come to know Allah THROUGH any man. We come to know Allah through personal sublime experiences that go beyond our day to day living.
....our hearts....???? do they talk??
Dear Iliza; do you know what is the purpose of Messanger?? If you can know Allah directly,than you mean to say all these Messangers and these books and the toil they took introducing the message were just wastage of time??
Well
I think the Messanger upon whom Quran was revealed, did a lot to introduce Allah to me! -
Nadeem
Why do you then feel the need to dismiss Muhammed as a name? Where are the grammatical grounds for this? Where are historical records to indicate that Muhammad was fabricated, a concoction like santa claus?
Nice very Nice comment! dear NAdeem.
Once you agree Abraham was a name , Musa was a Name, Issah was a name, Ismail and ISaac were names then what is the problem excepting Muhammad as a NAME and in the case where we have no evidence against it!
I think this should be over for once and all.Muhammad was the name of Messanger upon whon Quranic verses were revealed.
Thanks Mr. NAdeem for such a nice input.
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Peace be upon you Nadeem,
You translated "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena" as "Elevate to The God, Lord of the Worlds" and declared on basis of this that "This is what we are asked to do".
My knowledge of arabic stretches no further than 3 chapters, yet, I'm confident that the arabic quoted above doesn't contain a single verb, nor is it a question. It is a statement.
There is no preposition "To" in there do indicate direction, rather it indicates ownership. "Ilaa" is the particle you're looking for, which you'll not find in 12. The particle here is Li- which means "to" or "for" indicating possession, as opposed to "ilaa" which indicates direction.
"Al-hamdu li-llahi" = the hamd (is) for the god.
Can you explain to me, grammatically, how a verb can be 'owned' or 'possessed'?
It has to be a noun.
Nadeem
I agree that your corrections are accurate, I made an error in one verse that led me to believe "hamd" was exalt, however, the object for mankind is still the same, to become more and more God-Like....
If we take "hamd" without translating it...We can see that "hamd" is property of God(Godliness).
So "muhammad" is one who is an owner of "hamd" as well......how can you obtain that which is God's without becoming "Godlike"?
The basis is that we are created in God's likeness..according to God's pattern...we have he same powers but not the same amount.
We are SERVANTS of the God..we are to purify out spirits so that the God can manifest Its attributes through our vehicles. That which we "praise" the God for is that which the righteous humans manifest from the God working througth them, not some miraculous parting of literal seas.
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Salam Everyone,
It is my understanding that you are all "right," and you are all "wrong."
This is the beauty of the Glorious Quran! The book is about everything you think it is about all at the same time.Muhammad was a man and it is also an exalted level that we ourselves hope to achieve. The book is about history, our development as human beings as a group, and the different spiritual levels we attain as we learn and grow.
The Quran is so complex and fascinating that there are infinite stories and lessons being told for us to learn all at once. This may be one of the reasons why reading it daily is so very important. It is a living book and each time you come away with a different understanding. Usually there are multiple understandings that are all correct at once. This is much like Quantum physics.
One word can mean many different things in arabic.This maybe why these ancient languages are used in holy texts. One word means many things at once and yet with all these complexities, the Quran does not contain a single contradiction! Alhamdulillah!
Salam,
Arnab