The Submitters Issue
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peace, don't move this to the submitters forum because I want everyone to see this
you can go to their main site here http//www.submission.org/
Now I remember, while looking at a post from a long time ago, that somebody suggested we should stop taking cheapshots at the submitters and ally ourselves with them, or should I say Khalifates/19ers because submitters is just Muslims in english, and Ima have to say I agree with them, now the problem is THEY DO REJECT HADITHS BUT NOT COMPLETELY BECAUSE THEY STILL DO....
MUCH (not all) of the traditional salat though the rakas nor any of the rest of it has any basis in the Quran (don't ask me how they came up with THEIR ritual salat) http//www.submission.org/salat/
MUCH (not all) of the traditional hajj (don't ask me how they came up with THEIR ritual hajj) http//www.submission.org/hajj
The traditional Ramadan http//www.submission.org/ramadan/
MUCH (not all) of the traditional zakat, instead of paying 2.5% of the yearly wage, they pay 2.5% of any income they get (don't ask me how they came up with this either)
They have a better shahada though http//www.submission.org/true-shahada.html
http//www.submission.org/shahada.htmlAnd they believe that Rashad Khalifa is the messenger of the covenant, this doesn't have anything to do with them being Muslims because Muhammad (or whatever his name was) was just declared the final prophet and not the messenger http//www.submission.org/messenger/
plus they have some strange doctrines, like whoever dies before 40 goes to heaven and the world is going to end in 2280 and so forth
http//www.submission.org/suras/app32.html
http//www.submission.org/suras/app25.htmloh yea and using the sunni hadiths he took out 2 verses of the Quran because they did not coincide with the code 19 miracle roll
http//www.submission.org/tampering.htmlthe code 19 thing can be found here http//www.submission.org/miracle/
they do reject the concept of hadiths and many hadiths but they don't even get close to rejecting all of them and if you think about it, the "if you die before age 40 you go to heaven" and "end of the world in 2280" doctrines are hadiths themselves because they use verses of the Quran to explain them but they don't really back up their doctrines that well
so all I am saying is should we be allies or even consider them as so? their group just seems like sunnis that claim they abide by Quran alone
peace, I'll leave it for you guys to decide