Anyone Prays in Non-English?
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Well even if you pronounce it correctly it still wouldn't do you any good if you cannot grasp a single word you are saying while you are supposed to be closer to God by saying those words.
that's why i don't pray in arabic.
i pray in bosnian so i know what i'm saying while i'm saying it.and since salat doesn't mean prayer, what is a prayer called then?
i mean, we were told to bow and prostrate, what do you call that? -
Salam,
As one of my Murshid's would say to illustrate a point...."Show me in the Quran where it says as-salat must be performed in Arabic."
Salam,
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Of course at first when I converted I "tried" to pray in Arabic, but I thought it was more important to know what I was saying. So I concentrated on the meaning. But when I really wanted to pray and could only remember "parts of the Arabic" I would lapse into the Lords Prayer. Which I was told was okay since I was new and Allah wants to make the transition easy. I now know the Fatiha in Arabic.
But what do you think about the belief that one should only pray in Arabic, the original language of the Quran, and that the Arabic holds more meaning than in the english? -
salaamun alaykum
just to share an interesting link i stumbled upon last week. perhaps some of us may want to know what others have been doing. however, we must say that this is according to a specific sufi order, of which some of us may be uncomfortable with. but as far as i am concerned, i learn from everything, everywhere, every time. so if anyone of you is interested, please have a visit at this cherag library on-line;
http//www.cheraglibrary.org/library.htmplease observe the info and links on the left (a bit down);
a. they practise morning, mid-day and evening prayers;
b. they pray in a language they understand;
c. their objectives in praying.and here is another link on prayers, by the sufi order international;
http//www.sufiorder.org/prayers.htmlplease also pay close attention on how and when they do the prayers and their objectives.
while reading all these my mind keeps recollecting verse 2.3; "Those who believe and correct their relationships with the hidden, and from what We provide them, they distribute."
until this very moment, my understanding of the word 'salat' is (when only the page number is indicated, it refers to hans wehr's dictionary);
salata - 524 | , | salat / the official Islamic prayer ritual | intercession / intercessionary prayer / benediction | blessing | grace (of God) | (s) {a} prayer / supplication / petition | prayer for forgiveness / prayer for pardon | blessing / invocation of God?s blessing / prayer for God?s blessing / prayer for mercy / prayer for magnification | God?s eulogy / God?s commendation | | , 1072 (p) junctions / junctures | relations | connections | links / ties / bonds | relationships / kinship | presents / gifts / grants
in our understanding, 'salat' in al-Qur'an generally means relationships (any relationship for that matter, and not only with God). at times it refers to our relationship with God. otherwise it refers to other forms of relationships, but it's understanding must be referred to the context and usage. as in any language, specific phrases will mean specific meanings.
some examples of specific phrases;
a. salati alfajri can mean/suggest relationship with God at daybreak / dawn / morning. this is time specific, or must be about the time of 'relationship' or 'kinship' with God.
b. salati alAAisha-i can mean/suggest relationship with God in the evening / after night fall / first half of the night. this is time specific, or must be about the time of 'relationship' or 'kinship' with God.
c. alssalati alwusta can mean/suggest literally as 'the relationship of middle / central'. this is subject specific (salat or 'relationship', so it must be about the subject. it is to our understanding that the phrase means 'the central relationship.' it refers to the values central to the relationship. this phrase appears in 2.238, and in the midst of describing the things we must do in case of divorce. marriage is about relationship. divorce is the breaking of it. here, we are of the understanding that God reminds us not to forget the values central to marriage (before divorce) when in the process of divorce.thus;
2237 - Even though you {p; M} divorced them {F} before you {p; M} touch them {F}, when already you {p; M} have decided distributive shares in estates in their {F} favour, then half of that which you {p; M} have decided, unless (that) they {F} relieve you {p; M} from it, or it is obliterated he who the contract of marriage at his disposal. And that you {p; M} relieve nearest to (the) godliness. (And) the merit for them {F} is not a matter of secondary importance to you {p; M}. Verily Allah is acutely aware of what you do.
2.238 - Keep up to your {p; M} blessings and also the central relationships, and you {p; M} uphold for Allah devoutly. (And) then if you {p; M} are scared, then a man or a donation, but then if you {p; M} felt safe, then remember Allah, as He taught you {p; M} what you {p; M} did not know.'the central relationship' here refers to 'the decision' of "...when already you {p; M} have decided distributive shares in estates in their {F} favour, then half of that which you {p; M} have decided..."
so, our understanding of 2.238 is that God asks us keep up to (fulfill) the blessings (gifts of share), and earlier decision in marriage. isn't it common that we made certain secret decisions or wishes on a few things when going into a marriage? "fulfill them!" God says. in other verses God says that we do not exactly know the implications of our secret wishes or 'nazar', thus God advises us against it. to nullify those already made, God asks us to repent and 'saum' for 3 days. this is common knowledge, i think. this is another reminder by God on our need to be very aware of what we secretly conceal in our hearts.
but this is just our understanding. we just thought we should share. just a thought...
may God bless us all. "we seek refuge in the God that we are not among the stupid, the arrogant, and the unbelieving."
joe
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Salam everyone, my first post in this forum.
that's why i don't pray in arabic.
i pray in bosnian so i know what i'm saying while i'm saying it.and since salat doesn't mean prayer, what is a prayer called then?
i mean, we were told to bow and prostrate, what do you call that?Nerspi, odkuda si? Kako si?
As having been brought up as a Syafi'i Sunni Muslim from Malaysia, I say my prayers in Arabic, it was what I learnt as a child, but that doesn't mean I don't know or comprehend what it is I'm saying and reciting. I take it upon myself to know what I'm saying, the meaning of the prayers, understand these words in Arabic. I believe the meaning of the Arabic itself is as important as the ritual of prayer.
That said, personally I find it difficult to recite the prayers in any other language besides Arabic. I guess it's a matter of habit for me. Anyways, after all It is the language that the Holy Quran is written in, I've always feared a loss in translation if I did recite my prayers in Malay, English, or any other language, the lack of precision of reciting suras when done in another language other than Arabic.
I do see however a problem with people reciting the Quran but not reading it, especially if the person is not an Arab or understand Arabic. There are people who are content with the reciting of suras in Arabic without knowing what they mean, content that their obligations for prayer to god is fulfilled, I find this troubling. In my opinion this is a missed and wasted opportunity to discover the Quran.
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peace
Rumi, iz Slovenije sam ali roditelji su iz Bosne.
anyway, even if the translations are a little different i think it's still ok since the point is to glorify and praise God.
a mean for example, 12 "Alhamdu lillahi rabbi alAAalameena"
and in english it's "Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds"
in bosnian it's "You, Allah, Lord of the Worlds, we praise"
and yet the meaning is pretty much the same, praising God. -
Asalaamu Alaykom,
I pray in Arabic I do understand fully what I am saying and I also believe that in praying in Arabic I am feeling the words better. When reciting words such as Ihidina Siratl Mustaqeem I understand the powerful meaning behind those words that go far beyond "Guide us to straight path" Its more of a complete submission to me and that I will allow myself to be influenced by the signs of Allah swt. I only know one way to pray and I still pray that way. There is a story that a wise Jewish man told me on a long busride I want to share that story with you all so that you understand that changing something is not always the best thing to do.
From my memory I will transmit the story I heard....
In the desert there was a man who lived, Every single day he went to a rock climbed up on it and raised his hands towards the heavens and called upon God. Morning, Noon, Evening and Night he never failed or missed his call. Then one day a caravan came through the desert and there was a religious leader in that caravan that everybody followed. They seen this man on the rock and inquired as to what he is doing. The man replied I am having a conversation with God. The religious man upon hearing that replied No you cannot have a conversation with God this way.. Your doing it all wrong here let me teach you how.After teaching the desert man how to have a correct conversation with God the religious leader had to leave. With that he bid farewell. Then later on in the evening the man instinctively went to his rock then he suddenly remembered thats not the way to conversate with God so he turned back to the place the religious leader told him and started to complete the movements as he was tough.Half way through he forgot what to do next and became frustrated so he stopped. Then after that every morning, noon, evening and night the man just sat down feeling defeated that he cannot remember what the leader tough him.He never again after that day tried to conversate with God.
THE END
We sat on the bus for 7 hours talking and this story stuck out in my head. I did tweak it a bit but the moral is still the same.
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Peace all,
For me prayer is about my relationship with God. I don't believe that God wants to hear me repeating the words that He sent down to me for my guidance. It's always felt gratifying and fruitful to just talk to God with a completely open heart. I usually give thanks for all the wonderful people I'm surrounded by, for my health, wealth, and happiness. the more detailed I get in my gratitude, the stronger the connection feels, and the more peace I find.
Lately, I've been doing it throughout the day - random moments when I notice God's grace and beauty. There'll be more of that I'm sure now that summer's around the corner and the Earth is brimming with new life and energy.
Peace,
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As Salaamu Alaikum all,
I am sure that you all are familiar with these ayaat, but I decided to post them again anyway. Hope the ayats and comments following them help with this issue, insha Allah.
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Transliteration Inna anzalnahu qur-anan AAarabiyyan laAAallakum taAAqiloona
Literal That We descended it an Arabic Koran , maybe/perhaps you reason/comprehend
Free-Minds We have sent it down an Arabic Quran, perhaps you will comprehend.
Pickthal Lo! We have revealed it, a Lecture in Arabic, that ye may understand.
We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom.Perhaps you may understand or comprehend it from the Arabic, since that is one of the purposes of it being revealed in Arabic.
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Transliteration Wakathalika anzalnahu hukman AAarabiyyan wala-ini ittabaAAta ahwaahum baAAda ma jaaka mina alAAilmi ma laka mina Allahi min waliyyin wala waqin
Literal And as/like that We descended it an Arabic judgment/rule, and if (E) you followed their self attraction for desires/love and lusts after what came to you from the knowledge , no guardian/ally and nor protector/preserver, (is) for you from God.
Free-Minds And as such, We have sent it down a law in Arabic. And if you follow their desires after what has come to you of the knowledge, then you will not have any ally or defender against God.
Pickthal Thus have We revealed it, a decisive utterance in Arabic; and if thou shouldst follow their desires after that which hath come unto thee of knowledge, then truly wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor defender.
Thus have We revealed it to be a judgment of authority in Arabic. Wert thou to follow their (vain) desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither protector nor defender against Allah.If you want to understand this law, authority or judgement from Allah, then you need to study it from the arabic. This is how this knowledge has come to you, unless you choose to follow other's desires.
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Transliteration Walaqad naAAlamu annahum yaqooloona innama yuAAallimuhu basharun lisanu allathee yulhidoona ilayhi aAAjamiyyun wahatha lisanun AAarabiyyun mubeenun
Literal And We have known that they say "But/indeed a human teaches/instructs him, (the) tongue/language/speech (of) those who deviate, insult and defame to Him, non-Arabic/Persian (tongue/language/speech), and this (is) an Arabic clear/evident tongue/language/speech.
Free-Minds And We are aware that they Say "A human is teaching him." The language of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic language.
Pickthal And We know well that they say Only a man teacheth him. The speech of him at whom they falsely hint is outlandish, and this is clear Arabic speech.
We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.The language here is pure or clear Arabic. If you don't understand it as a native speaker, then to apply yourself to learn it is an inherent responsibility for those seeking to obey and follow the guidance therein. To not attempt to learn it, is willful neglect.
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Transliteration Wakathalika anzalnahu qur-anan AAarabiyyan wasarrafna feehi mina alwaAAeedi laAAallahum yattaqoona aw yuhdithu lahum thikran
Literal And as/like that We descended it (as) an Arabic Koran, and We laid out/detailed linguistically in it from the threat, maybe/perhaps they fear and obey, or it initiates/originates/informs for them a reminder/remembrance.
Free-Minds And it was such that We sent it down as an Arabic Quran, and We cited in it many warnings, perhaps they will become aware or it will cause for them a remembrance.
Pickthal Thus we have revealed it as a Lecture in Arabic, and have displayed therein certain threats, that peradventure they may keep from evil or that it may cause them to take heed.
Thus have We sent this down - an arabic Qur'an - and explained therein in detail some of the warnings, in order that they may fear Allah, or that it may cause their remembrance (of Him).It is in Arabic to linguistically cite the warnings therein so that perhaps you will be aware by fearing and obeying, as well it will remind you. To ignore the importance of the arabic would be to dimish these stated purposes.
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Transliteration Wa-innahu latanzeelu rabbi alAAalameena
Literal And that it truly is descent (E) (from) Lord (of) the creations all together/(universes).
Free-Minds And this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
Pickthal And lo! it is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds,
Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds{193}
Transliteration Nazala bihi alrroohu al-ameenu
Literal The Soul/Spirit , the faithful/loyal , descended with it.
Free-Minds It was sent down with the trusted Spirit.
Pickthal Which the True Spirit hath brought down
With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-{194}
Transliteration AAala qalbika litakoona mina almunthireena
Literal On your heart/mind to be (E) from the warners/givers of notice.
Free-Minds Upon your heart, so that you would be of the warners.
Pickthal Upon thy heart, that thou mayst be (one) of the warners,
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Transliteration Bilisanin AAarabiyyin mubeenin
Literal With a clear/evident Arabic tongue/language/speech.
Free-Minds In a clear Arabic tongue.
Pickthal In plain Arabic speech.
In the perspicuous Arabic tongue.The message is sent down in clear Arabic to warn, admonish and give notice.
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Transliteration Walaqad darabna lilnnasi fee hatha alqur-ani min kulli mathalin laAAallahum yatathakkaroona
Literal And We had given to the people in this the Koran from every/each example/proverb, maybe/perhaps they mention/remember .
Free-Minds And We have cited for the people in this Quran from every example, that they may take heed.
Pickthal And verily We have coined for mankind in this Qur'an all kinds of similitudes, that haply they may reflect;
We have put forth for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition.{28}
Transliteration Qur-anan AAarabiyyan ghayra thee AAiwajin laAAallahum yattaqoona
Literal An Arabic a Koran , without/other than of bent/crookedness/indirectness, maybe/perhaps they fear and obey.
Free-Minds A Quran in Arabic, without any crookedness, that they may be righteous.
Pickthal A Lecture in Arabic, containing no crookedness, that haply they may ward off (evil).
(It is) a Qur'an in Arabic, without any crookedness (therein) in order that they may guard against Evil.Again, the Quran is given in Arabic in order that you may remember/reflect; in Arabic without any crookedness in it so that you have "tawqa", or be righteous, guard against evil, be conscious of your duty, etc. When you take it out of it's original arabic, you allow for crookedness to come in.
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Transliteration Kitabun fussilat ayatuhu qur-anan AAarabiyyan liqawmin yaAAlamoona
Literal A Book its verses were detailed/explained/clarified, an Arabic Koran to a nation reasoning/comprehending/knowing .
Free-Minds A Scripture whose verses are detailed, a Quran in Arabic for a people who know.
Pickthal A Scripture whereof the verses are expounded, a Lecture in Arabic for people who have knowledge, A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-The Quran is explained in detail in the Arabic only, any other language that it is translated to will not contain all the details. This is for people who understand by reasoning, comprehending and knowledge.
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Transliteration Walaw jaAAalnahu qur-anan aAAjamiyyan laqaloo lawla fussilat ayatuhu aaAAjamiyyun waAAarabiyyun qul huwa lillatheena amanoo hudan washifaon waallatheena la yu/minoona fee athanihim waqrun wahuwa AAalayhim AAaman ola-ika yunadawna min makanin baAAeedin
Literal And if We made it a non-Arabic/Persian Koran , they would have said "If only its verses were detailed/explained . Is (it) a non-Arabic/Persian (Koran) and an Arab (messenger)?" Say "It is to those who believed guidance and a cure/recovery/healing; and those who do not believe, in their ears (is a) weight/heaviness and it is on them blindness/confusion , those, they are being called, from a far/distant place/position ."350
Free-Minds And had We made it a non-Arabic Quran, they would have said "If only its verses were made clear!" Non-Arabic and Arabic, Say "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and they are blind to it. These will be called from a place far away."
Pickthal And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? - Say unto them (O Muhammad) For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar.
Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes) They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"You would have complained if it was in non-arabic because you would not have been able to study it as you do now even here on Free-minds. The arabic Quran contains guidance and healing for those who will apply themselves to learn it. The same is not completely available from translations.
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Transliteration Wakathalika awhayna ilayka qur-anan AAarabiyyan litunthira omma alqura waman hawlaha watunthira yawma aljamAAi la rayba feehi fareequn fee aljannati wafareequn fee alssaAAeeri
Literal And as/like that We inspired/transmitted to you an Arabic Koran to warn/give notice to the mother/origin (of) the villages/urban cities and who (is) around/surrounding it, and warn/give notice (of) the Gathering Day/Resurrection Day, (there is) no doubt/suspicion in it, a group/party/flock (are) in the Paradise, and a group/party/flock (are) in the blazing/inflamed (inferno).
Free-Minds And thus We have inspired to you an Arabic Quran, so that you may warn the capital town and all around it, and to warn about the Day of Gathering that is inevitable. A group will be in Paradise, and a group in Hell.
Pickthal And thus We have inspired in thee a Lecture in Arabic, that thou mayst warn the mother-town and those around it, and mayst warn of a day of assembling whereof there is no doubt. A host will be in the Garden, and a host of them in the Flame.
Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur'an that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her,- and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire.Again, it is in Arabic to warn among many other things.
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Transliteration Waalkitabi almubeeni
Literal And The Book , the clear/evident.
Free-Minds And the evident Scripture.
Pickthal By the Scripture which maketh plain,
By the Book that makes things clear,-{3}
Transliteration Inna jaAAalnahu qur-anan AAarabiyyan laAAallakum taAAqiloona
Literal We (E) made it an Arabic Koran , maybe/perhaps you reason/comprehend.
Free-Minds We have made it into an Arabic Quran, perhaps you may understand.
Pickthal Lo! We have appointed it a Lecture, in Arabic that haply ye may understand.
We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).Al Quran is in Arabic because this makes things clear and plain so that perhaps we may be able to understand and comprehend its full message, insha Allah.
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Transliteration Wamin qablihi kitabu moosa imaman warahmatan wahatha kitabun musaddiqun lisanan AAarabiyyan liyunthira allatheena thalamoo wabushra lilmuhsineena
Literal And from before it (is) Moses' Book , a leader/example , and mercy, and that (is a) confirming Book (in an) Arabic tongue/speech, to warn/give notice (to) those who caused injustice/ oppression, and good news to the good doers.
Free-Minds And before this was the Scripture of Moses, as a role model and a mercy. And this is an authenticating Scripture, in an Arabic tongue, to warn those who transgressed, and to give good news to the righteous.
Pickthal When before it there was the Scripture of Moses, an example and a mercy; and this is a confirming Scripture in the Arabic language, that it may warn those who do wrong and bring good tidings for the righteous.
And before this, was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy And this Book confirms (it) in the Arabic tongue; to admonish the unjust, and as Glad Tidings to those who do right.This Quran is sent in Arabic to confirm the scripture before it with Moses, and again to warn.
A person should be able to understand from all of these ayat that if they are going to Aqeemus Salaat using Al Quran, that they should use it in its revealed language. One does not have to understand the ENTIRE Quran in order to accomplish this. One can simply only use those ayats that they have studied in order to implemt Al Quran in arabic on a gradual basis. As Salaat is only incumbent upon Al Mu'minoon, so a person should have had ample time upon becoming a "muslim" to learn some of the Quranic Arabic before they have developed to the next stage of "mu'min". To learn the book in itself is a part of faith, which is required to become a "mu'min". I hope this helps someone is some way, insha Allah. Allah knows best.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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peace
a few questions
- is it forbiden to pray in any other language?
- is it unacceptable to pray in any other language?
- is it unclear if we pray in any other language?
- do we say something else that is not glorifying or praising God if we pray in any other language?
so what if we pray in some other language, God sees what is in our hearts, He understands what we are saying.
and sure for other thing we may need to learn arabic to understand them better
but not for praying. we can praise and glorify God in any language and He will understand what we are saying.and it was revealed in arabic because muhammad lived in arabia, if he lived in europe the qur'an would be in some europen language.
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As Salaamu Alaika nerspi,
peace
a few questions
- is it forbiden to pray in any other language?
- is it unacceptable to pray in any other language?
- is it unclear if we pray in any other language?
- do we say something else that is not glorifying or praising God if we pray in any other language?
so what if we pray in some other language, God sees what is in our hearts, He understands what we are saying.
and sure for other thing we may need to learn arabic to understand them better
but not for praying. we can praise and glorify God in any language and He will understand what we are saying.and it was revealed in arabic because muhammad lived in arabia, if he lived in europe the qur'an would be in some europen language.
It was revealed in Arabic because that is what Allah chose, not because Muhammad lived in Arabia or spoke arabic. If Allah wanted it revealed in another language, He would have put Muhammad in another area with another language or chosen a different messenger that spoke a different language.
Confusing As-Salaat with Ad-Dua is the reason for a lot of these questions. As-Salaat is a prescribed, written timed ritual of worship given to us by Allah and detailed in Al Quran. It contains elements of which one is Ad-Dua. Ad-Dua is calling on Allah for different reasons be it help, fear, want, etc. Ad-Dua can be in arabic, or in any language spoken by the speaker because Allah did not give specific details on its timing or restrictions such as washing, etc. As-Salaat on the other hand is an ordered function with instructions as well as restrictions are given. One of the instructions of As-Salaat is to recite Al Quran. Al Quran is the arabic book, not any translations into any other language on earth that people come up with. So if you are not reciting it in Arabic, you are only reciting someone elses words, not Allah. Whose speech can be better than Allahs?
There are some "duas" given in Al-Quran given in arabic, but clearly the context gives permission to call on Allah in any way that one needs to. If you can not see a difference from Al Quran between Ad-Dua and As-Salaat, then maybe what I am saying will not make any sense to you. Allah knows best.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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peace
So if you are not reciting it in Arabic, you are only reciting someone elses words, not Allah.
that's wrong. just because i say "Most Exalted is God" in english, doesn't mean i made up those words. God said it Himself. so He said it in a specific language and saying those words in any other language doesn't change the meaning of the words.
and since salat is detailed, could you list me a detail of what language we're supposed to do salat in. the ones you listed before have nothing to do with salat.
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God chose a Man among the Arabs to be his Prophet, their language was Arabic and so it was revealed in Arabic
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"If we made it a non-Arabic Quran they would have said, "Why did it
come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic,
say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for
those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if
they are being addressed from faraway."We should be familiar with the original text so that we don't have to rely on translators' opinion.
Salam
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No offense but I think it is very inconsiderate for native arabic speakers to tell non-arabic speakers that Arabic is the only 'legal language' to use in prayer. Learning another language is not easy and most people do not have time to learn any other language except his/her own mothertongue.
For example I think it is also very inconsiderate for Americans to insult Mexican immigrants because they do not speak English because the fact is that most of them cannot find the time to learn the language because they have to work 12 hours a day or even more.
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peace
- is it forbiden to pray in any other language?
- is it unacceptable to pray in any other language?
- is it unclear if we pray in any other language?
- do we say something else that is not glorifying or praising God if we pray in any other language?
could anyone anwser these questions?
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As Salaamu Alaika nerspi,
peace
that's wrong. just because i say "Most Exalted is God" in english, doesn't mean i made up those words. God said it Himself. so He said it in a specific language and saying those words in any other language doesn't change the meaning of the words.
and since salat is detailed, could you list me a detail of what language we're supposed to do salat in. the ones you listed before have nothing to do with salat.
When you say "Most Exalted is God", which arabic ayat of Al Quran are you translating? Which ever words you choose, the translation that you gave will not be sufficient to fully define the concepts given in Arabic. So it has changed the meaning by limiting it to the english meaning that you have translated; which although may not be incorrect, is limiting what the original arabic means. So changing the language does change the meaning by limiting it.
The above post in this section gave you the details of what language to recite As-Salaat in, Arabic only. If you don't believe that you are to recite Al Quran during As Salaat, then please state so. If you beleive that you are to recite Al-Quran during As-Salaat, then the only way to do this by reciting the Quranic arabic; anything else is only translation and limits the meaning to what the translator understands...NOT EXACTLY WHAT ALLAH SAID.
Hope this helps, insha Allah.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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As Salaamu Alaikum jankren,
No offense taken brother. By the way, I am not a native arabic speaker. I am an american that has been studying Al Quran for about 15 years now. When I wanted to learn As-Salaat, even though I didn't follow the Quran only back then, I took the time to learn just enough in arabic to know what I was saying for As-Salaat. Then little by little that has grown over the years.
Most people in the world speak more than one language. It is mostly only the US that many people don't speak but one language. But again, making "dua" can be done in any language and Allah says that He will hear the needs of the caller. As-Salaat is for Al-Mu'min and they are expected to be studious and knowledgeable of Al Quran to some degree. It is not a burden to learn at least a few short ayaat of Al Quran in arabic and to study their meanings so that you understand what you are saying when reciting in As-Salaat.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
No offense but I think it is very inconsiderate for native arabic speakers to tell non-arabic speakers that Arabic is the only 'legal language' to use in prayer. Learning another language is not easy and most people do not have time to learn any other language except his/her own mothertongue.
For example I think it is also very inconsiderate for Americans to insult Mexican immigrants because they do not speak English because the fact is that most of them cannot find the time to learn the language because they have to work 12 hours a day or even more.
