ALEN - My Story - part 3.
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Peace sis "BOOST",
Apology acceepted sun. But this anxiety which you feel inside a hindu temple is because you were brought up in a sunni background just like i was and they teach you that hindus are impure and so. If you view a it logically it makes no difference of what the hindus do praying to a carved image Bhagwaan than Muslims who abstarctly ask intercession from GOD through Muhammad. Its only the way which one has been brought up which makes one look at those differently. I wld neither pray in a hindu temple, nor a church and also not a sunni/shia masjid. GOD Bless! -
PEace Be Upon You Bro Johnny
I was not raised as a sunni, only quran alone in my family but I see your point. I don't know that alot of sunnis actually do pray for intercession from God in salat. I'm familiar with the traditional salat and i only find a few lines disconnecting to me (the tashahod part i think its called). We have way too much in common with sunni muslims for us to make such splits and divisions. In fact since they are the closest to us in belief, they can potentially be most open to correction, when the time is appropriate for them.
Anyway, I still believe his salat is accepted and he can be a good example of how a true Muslim should be. Perhaps that would make them re-evaluate themselves if they need re-evaluation. I discourage any type of confrontation when it comes to "my beliefs versus their beliefs" because this is not the way any messengers spread the word. They spread it with gentleness, peace, love, empathy. They spread it by being a living example of a different level that life could be. They spread it by not disassociating themselves with others who are different than them but by being a part of their communion. It is only then when hearts can potentially open to the message. This is not to say that they did wrong things that they found their community doing, but it is to say that no messenger turned his back on his people. In fact it was the opposite. So if we truly want to walk in the footsteps of the messengers, we need to love others and nurture others spiritually in a way that shows the right path naturally without compulsion or animosity. It must be done in a way that there is discernment between what is appropriate and what is forbidden so that bright lines are not faded while still allowing for others to express what stage they are in their spiritual growth. And there must be an acceptance of rejection as all messengers were rejected. If we can master that, then there is no need for us versus them mentality. We are all one but at different degrees of the same "measuring stick" so to speak and those degrees are never constant for any given person.
And I'm happy you accepted my apology brother. sun
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Peace to all,
Beautifully said Boost, I agree with you , I also think Johnny K has a valid point from the Quran that should be discussed, I myself do not know the answer but I agrre that we will never know what is in others hearts, how can we decide which mosque is founded on righteousness, i think that if we pray in traditional mosques but in our own way it would be accepted by God, sonce we are only responsible for our own intentions, however, i would like to see some proof from the Quran that would make me feel more secure about it, maybe God doesnt want us to pray there, i really dont know,
Kurt
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Peace sis "BOOST",
You said amongst other things...We have way too much in common with sunni muslims for us to make such splits and divisions.
JK- Cmon sister you cant be serious. Im just coming to realize tht we have very little in common with the sunnis. All those traditional salat , zakat, hajj, etc methods are innovations by sunnis/shias. Thts why shias pray differently than sunnis. All these extra Quranic stuff i dont think it's correct anymore. One of the Quran Alone Mulims biggest mistake is that they still cling to so many sunni intepretations of the Quran. GOD Bless!
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Peace "ironsky"
Peace to all,
Beautifully said Boost, I agree with you , I also think Johnny K has a valid point from the Quran that should be discussed, I myself do not know the answer but I agrre that we will never know what is in others hearts, how can we decide which mosque is founded on righteousness, i think that if we pray in traditional mosques but in our own way it would be accepted by God, sonce we are only responsible for our own intentions, however, i would like to see some proof from the Quran that would make me feel more secure about it, maybe God doesnt want us to pray there, i really dont know,
Kurt
JK-We can at least avoid those where we know tht sunnis pronounce in the adhaan and in the shahaadah Muhammad's name besides GOD's. That wed know. GOD Bless!
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Peace all,
I'm totally aware of those verses you posted here Br Jonny.
But I said so because I think I know the reasons to why Br Alen did his salat in that mosque in London.
He did it to please them, and maybe they want to give him a job or so.
Therefore I thought it was so unfair to point finger at him for that reason.
And we can pray in a mosque if we stand alone and not follow the imam!!!
Peace
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Peace sis "Majidah",
Well thts also a pt. Can we please some idol worshipper so that hed give us a job? Is that acceptable to GOD? And as far as praying in the Masjid alone but not behind the imam 1) we dont know wht bro Alen did 2) im not sure whether we can stand in the masjid at all BUT if one defines Masjid not as the building itself 24hrs a day but to the area where it is actively being prayed and only at that time, then your right. GOD Bless! -
Peace Jonny,
Well I wouldn't do it but maybe it's better Alen explains this himself because it seems like we are talking behind his back and that isn't recommended either.
I think he has a rough time and he needs to find himself and if he wants to deal with his situation in this way it's fine with me.
And I do believe that we can perform salat where we want to, because if you are clean then the rest is between you and God. But of course not following idolworshippers in their so called salat, no way!!!
Maria
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Salam.
Thank GOD Almighty that i have you all friends.
I am grateful to GOD that i have so many friends on this forum.I would never pray in the mosque i pray but the guy i live with is a sunni, they are all sunni and i have to be careful, all others are Arabs.
If they knew me like you do, i would be dead.
Albanian guy took me in his home while the Arabs abandoned me cuz i have American accent.
I have soooooo much to tell you but i gotta run to work.
JK believe me, i would pray alone in my own place but i cannot afford a place and London is not Ljubljana, it is very expensive. Unless you wanna send me $2000 then i have to pray at this mosque and live with a guy who drives me MAD. Keeps telling me to eat with the right hand, exit or enter the place with right foot, pray like this, like that, say like this like that, shoulder to shoulder, seperate legs totally, grow beard, meanwhile my back is killing me and i still do not have a place of my own, i gotta struggle, bro.
I am looking four different jobs, four different interviews wait for me, gotta shave for them and have beard for the sunnis back home.
Talk to you later and thanks to GOG Who gave me all you, sisters and brothers.
Peace.
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Peace,
See, this was what I was suspected!!!!
There are always a story behind someones behaviour, therefore we need to be patient and wait to people explain their cause.
Thanks Br Alen for coming by and explain a bit even if you are more than busy )
Sis Maria
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seperate legs totally,
There is no smiley in the world that could show how I feel about this!
God, I hate this rule! I didn't even know this was a rule, actually. Almost everytime I went to mosques I had a guy next to me who was doing splits. There's no room for me and others to stand, because he's taken it all. Idiot! -
that was funny ;D
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Salam.
Thank GOD Almighty for giving me all these friends here.
I met with Maia yesterday and she is nice.
London is fun and new and strange and exciting.
The only thing you need here is ?????, lots of it.Anyway, tomorrow i will go back to Maia and see if i can get the job there. I also have another friend here who is helping me with a place to stay and a job as well. Things are working for me. AlhamdilALLAH.
Peace.
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God Bless You Bro Alen sun
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You know they said that the slightest space you leave during prayer enables the devil to get in ....
I heard that too when I also complained from someone "doing splits", to borrow phoenix1 expression!
Why on earth do they want to stop the devil from praying? Maybe he is repenting!!