Race & Culture
-
Al-Quraishi. I'm done speaking you.
That doesn't surprise me seeing as though you cannot defend your lies in light of the truth.
You don't even know what proof is, so keep on counting the days.
Seeing as though I'm the only one of us to have presented any what you say is untrue.
So is this
But again, I never said every ancient civilzation was black.
Yes you did you pretentious liar.
From what I've seen there are really just 3 races of human beings on earth and each one has different sub-divisions. From my extensive reseach it is clear that the ancient Egyptians, Ancient Arabs, Ancient Iraqis, Ancient Indians, Ancient Sumerians and all the original ancient peoples and civilzation of North Africa, southern Asia and south-eastern Asia were originally black.
Perhaps it's best of you to give up seeing as though I'm going to continually show you and your lies up in front of everyone here at free minds.
And again, you still have not apologised for your European slurs which you denied saying and which I proved you said in exactly the same manner as this.
So are you going to keep crying out that I am insulting you when it is only a taste of your own medicine?
I called you a racist, which I have proven you clearly are, you've practically called me everything under the sun.
As I expected, no proof whatsoever of your Black Supremacist myths, perhaps you'll think twice next time before you decide to dish out your baseless lies and BS.
-
Peace all,
I dont know why all this fighting since according to modern science the first humans were BLACK AFRICANS so we all evolved from them. Ive seen that on a scientific channel as well and it is almost undoubtable now. This has nothing to do with racism. It's science. GOD Bless! -
Johnny K,
You're right. However, what is pissing Al-Qurayshi off so much so that he twists what i say and calls me a liar, ridiculous, etc. etc. Is that I am claiming that after the first migration of humany beings out of Africa from which which the Caucasiods and Mongoloids evolved (for lack of a better word) there was a second migration of Black Africans out of Africa and within Africa that formed the earliest civlizations in the Middle East and South East Asia. I further claim that later in the histories of these civilizations the lighter human beings being the Caucasiods and Mongoloids migrated down and mixed in with these black populations, the proof of which shows in the presence of these indigenous Blacks in North Africa, the Middle East and South East asia in isolated areas.
What the argument turned into was that Australoids are not Black, as he sees black as only Congoid and most likely also Capoid. He says that the Australoids have totally separate genes from Congoids and Capoids so they cannot be commonly grouped as subgroups of Negroids. However, the Capoids are not related to the Congoids either (They are still Negroid). Furthermore many Australoids have the same general features and characteristics of many Congoids and Capoids (though slightly different). I am saying that thousands of years of genetic drift due to isolation is enough to make their genes distinct from each other, but that these people are definitely conneced and are all genetic drifts from the original black population.
He quotes certain genetic studies having to do with Congoids only as it concerns the peoples of the middle east which actually shows their presence in a few people of the Middle East including the Palestinians and others.
Then because now Congoid blood shows in peoples of southern Asia, he says HA HA! I told you they didn't have black blood. But I never said that they had Congoid blood. Which he will claim I did say and call me a liar. I said they have black blood which is the Australoid black. Futhermore I showed him black populations in the middle East they haven't yet been fully classified (as far as I know) the Mehras of the Arabian peninsula is one such group.
But what Qurayshi says is a lie, without really proving me wrong, though he claims to have is that
the peoples of the middle east are a varying mixture of Caucasiod peoples and Negroid peoples as well as the people of india, including also the Mongoloid peoples of Asia into the mixture. In some areas these Negroid peoples are still very isolated and their connection to Capoids and Congoids can clearly be seen. Such the need for the pictures.
The sights that I showed included pictures of these Black peoples, charts on the resulting colors and features of mulatoes (Congoid and European) depending on the balance of the mixture and pictures of mixed peoples which when one sees and compares to the people of the middle east and india, the similarity is clear as day.
All this he calls lies. And he denies that the earliest great civilizations of Africa, lower Asia and the middle east were created by the above subgroups of Blacks.
He shows me pictures of a bust of Nefertiti which comes from the late period of Egypt when the mixings had been fully rooted in the people. To which I showed him a picture of a reconstruction of King Tut's face (in the same era of Nefertiti) clearly showing a black person. But he things that if a face has European features it cannot be a mulatoe it has to be a purely Caucasiod person. I don't have to state the wrongness of this opinion.
He also shows me statues from only Sumeria and because they have long noses and are tanned they must be caucasiod. But I continued with my point to say that these features can still occur in the resulting mixed peoples from Caucasiod and Negroid mixtures (Congoid, Australoid and Capoid and the other oids that exist). But this is blasphemy to Qurayshi and Afrocentric BS. And according to him I've said that Blacks have started all the ancient civilizations. And though the presence of blacks has been widespread in the ancient world I could never claim this for the Chinese, the Mayans the Romans etc.
Now the greeks did mix with the Egyptians (and vice-versa) herodotus and others commented both on the blackness of the Egyptians (during early times) being like the Ethiopians and how the Egyptians had sent Colonies to this area. But however minimal their mixture may have been they are the ones who created their own society despite the fact that alot of their great men studied in Egpyt for years. The Greeks further comment later on the Mulatoes look of lower Egpytians a look which comes about from direct and copious mixture with Blacks. Something they seemed to have known about.
Despite that the mixture of Europeans and Congoids (maybe some other Black oids) is what created the Mediterreanean look. They had been trading and mixing for a long time.
But all this to Al-Qurayshi is pretentious lies and falsehoods, racist rantings and maybe even blasphemy. Again like I said lahu deenuhu wa liya deenee. I didn't really want to rehash this futile argument I just wanted to clarify. Again I'll post the links from my earlier posts if you want to check them out
http//z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/W/E/pic19814.jpg
http//www.molvania.com/sansombrero/people.html
http//www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pygmy
http//www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14120
http//www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Announcements/Daliti_Panthers_in_India.html
http//www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14120
http//www.cwo.com/~lucumi/yanadi.jpg
http//www.cwo.com/~lucumi/jahiz.html
http//www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gdq
http//www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/text47.htm
http//kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/p_code3/1653.html
http//www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/mulattoes,%20mixed%20race,%20creoles/mulattoes,%20mixed%20race,%20creoles.htm
http//www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pygmy
In the words of the singer India Arie
"I am not my hair. I am not my skin. I am the soul that lives within."
God evolved us as he willed. In the end these bodies do die and we go back to God. But analyzing the truth of our roots and how much we have to do with each other and don't even know it is very important if we are to give up those biases and look at other races as equal people who we would even marry and have children with. When the Euro-centric scientific world gives up this bias against Blacks and their contributions to the world we live it these truths will come out. But believe it or not the world is still heavily influenced by a discriminory Euro-centric mindset. It is the product of the past 500 years, and is not that easy to shake.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Check out this site, it talks about racial intermixture and the resulting skin colors, as well as racial mixture in ancient times among the Romans
http//multiracial.com/site/content/view/459/27/
If you check the following site about the Melungeons you will learn about Tri-racial and bi-racial ethnicities in the US. In most Afro-American families we have an uncle or great uncle or even more than this who look like the people you will find on these sites, being very very light skinned Afrom-Americans. Some of the people I've seen on these sites I would classify as light skinned Afro-American /Black as I have people in my family who look like that.
Though some of thse people just want to classify themselves as white (not all of them, and to which some may have a right to based on skin color and not ethnicity) many have been considered as Black by other Euro-Americans for their obvious Black(in this case Congoid) ancestry (the mulatoe look is an obvious indication of that ancestry in all peoples), which causes them to look like anything from a light skin Black, to Arab, to "typical" latin American.
Something I found interesting is that my last name is among the list of Melungeon names. But they don't seem to be very likely to accept those of their kind who through the addition of African blood are now wllfully classify themselves as Afro-Americans or Black. But as the site on French creoles stated and these sites state the mixture of Afro-American was very rampant, however there was also segragation between light-skinned/mulatoe blacks and more purely Congoid blacks. The difference can usually be seen today through economic status, the higher you go the more mixed we look. The lower you go the more Congoid we look. Though this is not a hundred percent true rule. Things have changed alot since the seventies, we are more united on coming to a common, shared ethnicity and you will find light skinned Afro-Americans looking for darker Afro-Americans as a way to ratify their Blackness/Africaness whereas though when it happened in the past it was disdained on. Apparently my very light skinned grandfather (grey eyes and reddish hair) wasn't "supposed" to marry my more Congoid looking milk-chocolate color grandmother.
Some of those white looking Melungeon guys could be my distant cousins if you think about it. It's too bad racial politics was as disgusting as it was in this country (and all around the world unfortunately). When I read about the whole miscegenation policy I am utterly disgusted.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Again swerving the argument to something completely different.
All this he calls lies. And he denies that the earliest great civilizations of Africa, lower Asia and the middle east were created by the above subgroups of Blacks.
Show me proof of this please, not BS regarding people mixing, this is not proof, regardless, I don't deny that and you know it.
-
Al-Qurayshi,
I'm sure you've read a lot of these explanations specifically dealing with contexts of these civilizations and have disagreed with them all. I'll post them at my own leisure, don't worry. Just look for them as they come. I'll be posting direct links or even books, and some of them will be from Afro-centrist, to which you will say they are just racists and they don't know where they come from or who the are. They are just reactionary victims fighting illogically and over-reacting against the European paradigm which defined them and made them feel less. You will say they are grabbing at straws to try to uplift themselves. I've seen the fault in Afro-centrists arguments and in anti-afro-centrists arguments. However, I do not wish to continue to debate with you. We can agree to disagree and if you disagree with what I post you can say that you disagree and that you don't think I've proved anything. That is your right, but for the numerous reasons I've stated already I do not want to continue discussing this with you.
Furthermore as this topic is about race and culture I have been offering bits on those i consider as my people and my culture. Of course I am going to connect racial mixture to the phenomenon of the Arabs, Indians etc. whatever I can quote for you on the original inhabitants of the areas I mentioned and the civilizations they built I will. But as for now my posts will be a mish-mash of a bunch of things. I'd appreciate it if you got off your one-track mind for now, and agree to disagree. I have my reasons to believe what I do and I think they are true and clear and will only get clearer with time and true analysis, as people take interest in this. Hard to find does not mean wrong, and the truth is often very hard to find in a world of half-truths and lies.
Godbless,
Anwar -
I have my reasons to believe what I do
Yes you did, and this sentence explains it all.
They are just reactionary victims fighting illogically and over-reacting against the European paradigm which defined them and made them feel less.
I've seen the fault in Afro-centrists arguments and in anti-afro-centrists arguments.
Anwar, your views are the most extreme of Afrocentrist thinking.
From my extensive reseach it is clear that the ancient Egyptians, Ancient Arabs, Ancient Iraqis, Ancient Indians, Ancient Sumerians and all the original ancient peoples and civilzation of North Africa, southern Asia and south-eastern Asia were originally black.
-
Qurayshi,
They are just reactionary victims fighting illogically and over-reacting against the European paradigm which defined them and made them feel less.
This quote is what YOU think ALL Afro-centrists are, NOT what they really are. Like I said I am not an Afro-centrist and these ideas that I'm putting forth, whose logic and "proof" you may find on some of these sites, are not just Afro-centrist, but truth. And like I said with the passing of time it will become more clear. Again I will post the sites I have posted before for anyone who wants to look at them and make their own conclusions
http//z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/W/E/pic19814.jpg
http//www.molvania.com/sansombrero/people.html
http//www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14120
http//www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Announcements/Daliti_Panthers_in_India.html
http//www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14120
http//www.cwo.com/~lucumi/yanadi.jpg
http//www.cwo.com/~lucumi/jahiz.html
http//www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gdq
http//www.andaman.org/BOOK/chapter47/text47.htm
http//kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/p_code3/1653.html
http//www.frenchcreoles.com/CreoleCulture/mulattoes,%20mixed%20race,%20creoles/mulattoes,%20mixed%20race,%20creoles.htm
http//www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pygmy
http//multiracial.com/site/content/view/459/27/
If you check the following site about the Melungeons you will learn about Tri-racial and bi-racial ethnicities in the US. In most Afro-American families we have an uncle or great uncle or even more than this who look like the people you will find on these sites, being very very light skinned Afrom-Americans. Some of the people I've seen on these sites I would classify as light skinned Afro-American /Black as I have people in my family who look like that.
Anwar, your views are the most extreme of Afrocentrist thinking.
Think what you like. For you and everyone, read what I said again carefully. It is this stance that I stick to as well. If you are looking for proof it is there in everything that I have posted. If you don't consider it proof well that is your prerogative. Proof is not just posting scientific studies that say exactly what I say. It is seeing the undeniable logic behind what I'm saying. If you go to all of these links look at the pictures, and read what is there if you use your mind you can see that what I am saying is clear as day. It is not for nothing that Arabs, Indians and many mulatoe hispanics look so similar.
My Quote
From my extensive reseach it is clear that the ancient Egyptians, Ancient Arabs, Ancient Iraqis, Ancient Indians, Ancient Sumerians and all the original ancient peoples and civilzation of North Africa, southern Asia and south-eastern Asia were originally black
.That I will not back down from. The mulatoe look of the people now and the sites that I've shown make it clear that in the beginning these civilzations were black and later became mixed, like Egypt. That is not saying that one people is superior to another. Despite what some may accuse me of.
Agree if you want to or disagree. Call it genius or call it ridiculous. I'm sure of my conclusion. And I'm sure that in the future it will become even clearer and endorsed by more genetic scientists when they cementify their science and take interest in investigating these aspects of the human race. So that people like Al-Qurayshi just don't consider it Afro-centrist BS. For those who can't wait for that day just look at all that I've posted, do your own research and most important of all, your own thinking.
As I said I will continue to post more relevant articles about this and things that tie to this.
Anyone else is free to post issues that they find important about their races or cultures. I really don't want this topic to become a scene to watch me and Al-Qurayshi "go at it."If anyone else has any question for me please feel free to ask. If you did and I didn't answer please ask me again.
Some people mentioned about how in their families dark skinned is looked down upon and I mentioned how blackness is very unappreciated in all our cultures. Again this comes from what happend thousands of years ago when white peoples became dominant in these areas and had strong biases towards the black people they had had animosities with for a long time before they finally made their presence known in these areas. Secondly they are the affects of Eurpean colonialism and the highly racist attitudes of the Europeans towards brown peoples (who they knew were mixed breeds from thousands of years back) and blacks (some of who are also mixed breeds).
It is my opinion that prejudices alway based on histories and never spring up out of thin air.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Let?s have a look at the latest ?proof? from Anwar
- http//www.molvania.com/sansombrero/people.html
This is hilarious, a holiday website called ?Jetlag Travel Guide?, Anwar ? there?s nothing else I can say apart from - you?re an idiot.
- http//www.1911encyclopedia.org/Pygmy
I had to skip a few links down for this one seeing as though you?re just posting crap I?ve read before. But oh ? wait a broken link, I suppose that can?t be counted as ?proof? either.
- http//www.melungeons.com/
The last piece of Anwarian psuedoevidence in the whole list that I haven?t already rebuked is this. Forgive me for not being as intelligent as the mighty Anwar, but I fail to see how ?The Pioneers of Harrison County, West Virginia? and ?Celebrating the Richness of Culture and Diversity of Heritage that is Appalachia? proves your racist claims of civilization.
I can understand you reposting old crap in a feeble attempt to make your claims look like they?re based on truth but posting the same link twice a few lines down obviously shows how stupid you are.
It?s obvious with this whole issue together with your Bible nonsense and the comments from Truth
This is one of your biggest character flaws Anwar. You're effectively addressing a person you don't know and saying that if they do not agree with your interpretation that they are worthy of being implied kafeeroon since what you are quoting in Arabic (so much for the translate everything stance in a previous post) is addressed to disbelievers in the God.
You are committing a gross error by implying that these people who disbelieve in YOUR opinion are disbelievers in the God. What makes your view so special? Do you consider your words equivalent to the God's words?
I can only conclude that you are a conceited ignoramus. Please desist from using such phrases from the reading out of context in future.
It seems you?re a veritable treasure trove of ignorant ideas and mistruths paraded under a banner of arrogance to which you think your ?facts? need to be distributed ? trust me, ignorant muftis are resented around here. Basically, I?ll be ready for the next bunch of garbage you dump at free minds so you better watch it the next time you fraudulently try to come across as an educated and informed individual.
I think I couldn?t have put it better than dear Truth
I can only conclude that you are a conceited ignoramus.
-
This thread has degenerated into namecalling, thus it has been locked. If there are any salient points that still need clarification please start a new thread, refraining from insults, i.e. keep to the discussion and refutation of points.