What fuels your soul?

weinmar

Greetings everyone,

I would like to begin a topic inviting everybody to be as honest as they can be to discuss their belief.

Before i can call myself anything and before i can follow any religious way, i would like to know if i belong. For instance, i am troubled in understanding key points of the concept of religion itself. What is man and what are his components? Is the soul that makes us alive an alien to our common sense, that we are so dillusional to understand it?

I have a problem concerning the Qur'an. I can not deny the fact that i haven't read it to full knowledge capacity, nor that i am fluent in the arabic language, but i can say the following. It is not like any ordinary book. I agree that it has alot of variety about human governing and the way we should behave. I agree that who ever first pronounced the words written in the Qur'an thought of a way to govern every mankind possible to follow a direct sheme often quoted as the righteous way. Be it God himself or mankind. There is a way premade by the Qur'anic planings and it supported by so many amendements from the book itself. Every reader experience thru the reading how many times God remind humans of pain and disgrace and that we should obey his rules.

I ask, precautiously and honestly speaking, what is the whole ordeal of the book? It can be found in numerous passages that we should worship God certain ways. We should do exactly what he says or else doom and such is being casted for the disbelievers. What do they disbelieve in? God? That's it? It doesnt take a guy from mars to tell you that humans are weak enough. It doesn't take a dummie to explain through 1-2-3 logic that there must be something greater than us that created this whole magical world. So thats it? i believe there is thing thing called God, i won ? i make it happy? or am i still a disbeliever?

The thing that bothers me isn't about whether God is fact or fiction. I wonder why does God not reveal himself. I would want to know what God really said so we can end all this stupidity of different believes. I would have to hear and see God directly to understand what is he saying. Perhaps the Qur'an is God's words and perhaps Muhammad was just smart enough with help of others tried to govern people in what they saw is the ideal way. No one can know for sure. I don't have a time travelling machine, i never saw God in a person but just thru the creations and myself.

Let's pretend the scenario that God's words are the Qur'an. This brings alot of stress to me because i don't understand the silent treatment God made directly by choosing Muhammad as last prophets to reveal himself to mankind. For more than 1400 years no word of God were recorded, just nature doing its job. Earthquake from here and there. Tornados and other natural catastrophies. Why, if it's God's words at best, assuming nothing added or lost until now, people are so stupid. Did God fail with us or did we fail with him? Is this the way we are programmed? Are we some stupid beings programmed to make balance to other created things? Imagine if there were no human beings, would the world be better without us? Will a tree spread its root closer to drink water since road pavements filter out rain unabeling the soil to suck water? Who would be the dominant race if we didn't exist? What is the purpose of humans to really really exist among other living things?

The thing is I kind of doubt the Qur'an but i do not doubt a whole creator. I would be a foul to say everything is by chance, since the laws of chaos are programs only to keep the balance of life. Chaos or chance cannot be our creator since 1+1 today has/had the same mathematical value with time. If chaos or chance heavily influenced science then everything would not make sense. People wouldn't made it this far and the sense of prediction would not exist as well. I believe something made every law of the universe exist therefor logic also was created as a navigator for every living thing.

My million dollar question is How do we know for sure that the Qur'an was God's words? What really makes us closer to God? Isn't just by watching the sky at night in the open out the busy cities enough for the soul to relinquish? I can't verify for sure if Qur'an is man made or God made therefor i have a shield in my heart and my eyes are blind my hearing is blasted with dirt according to some sura so i am some kinda kaafir to the Qur'an? I try to be nice person with myself and others and i have no doubt that there must be a god. I want to construct a future for us all, but i take the Qur'an lightly. I don't want to take it as my governing instinct since i cant varify the sources. I would really see things differently if I was the one revealed the scriptures or IF god directly spoke to me. It's old scripture and so much happened during 1400 years and nobody can deny that.

Am i provoking God? I want come up with a logical way to behave in life so everyone enjoy construction we do together. I hate to see violence and prejudice. I hate so many things about humans that makes me so doubtful.

There God, I spoke the truth to you and i will remain truthful to this purpose until my death. So please don't think i am against you.

-peace.

zenje

Peace weinmar,

My million dollar question is How do we know for sure that the Qur'an was God's words?
You either know it or you don't. If you don't, don't lose heart, keep asking the God for guidance. Don't give up searching for God. Just know God exists isn't enough. You should communicate with Him and let Him communicate with you. God is reaching out to you every day, whether you and I listen is another matter. You don't have to physically see Him to believe in Him. For one thing that's 'physically' impossible, Moses tried and look what happened.

Peace be with you.

And if they hear what was sent down to the messenger you see their eyes flooding with tears, for what they have known as the truth, they say ?Our Lord, we believe, so record us with the witnesses.?
Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it as they know their children. Those who lost their souls, they do not believe.
Had We sent down this Qur?an to a mountain, you would have seen it trembling, crumbling, out of reverence for God. And such are the examples We put forth for the people, that they may reflect.

phoenix1

peace weinmar,

I ask, precautiously and honestly speaking, what is the whole ordeal of the book? It can be found in numerous passages that we should worship God certain ways. We should do exactly what he says or else doom and such is being casted for the disbelievers. What do they disbelieve in? God? That's it? It doesnt take a guy from mars to tell you that humans are weak enough. It doesn't take a dummie to explain through 1-2-3 logic that there must be something greater than us that created this whole magical world. So thats it? i believe there is thing thing called God, i won ? i make it happy? or am i still a disbeliever?

Belief, I think, is not believing in something that you have never seen or experienced, but belief in things that you have experienced. We have to trust God's laws and the universe.
For example, I have a Honda Civic, which is a very reliable car (god bless Honda), and I have experienced that everytime I turn the key, it starts. It starts everytime. Like God's laws, it is reliable. And because I have seen it start everytime I turn the key, I KNOW (I have an unquestionable belief) that the next time I turn the key it will start.
God's laws are constant, they work everytime in the same manner, and what happens to us (the result of our actions) is decided by these laws. Now because we have experienced these laws, we can believe in them, and have trust in them.
If the universe was like a Mercedes (utterly unreliable), then I would never be sure, I would never actually believe that if I turn the key, it will start. It's no longer a law, because what happens keeps changing. I would never be able to trust a universe, and a God, which gave me this Mercedes.
What I'm trying to say is that we cannot believe in something that we have never seen. We can pretend to believe, but we will never truly believe and there will always be doubt. We always have to see to believe. Seeing is what takes away all the doubt. And because God's laws work the same way all the time, I have seen them work before, so I should believe that they will work in the future. That's belief in the unseen. I know that my car will start tomorrow morning, because that's what has happened a million times before.
So God cannot be something that is invisible to us. Or maybe we just aren't meant to know God, only it's laws, so that we can live according to them and be happy.

The thing that bothers me isn't about whether God is fact or fiction. I wonder why does God not reveal himself. I would want to know what God really said so we can end all this stupidity of different believes. I would have to hear and see God directly to understand what is he saying. Perhaps the Qur'an is God's words and perhaps Muhammad was just smart enough with help of others tried to govern people in what they saw is the ideal way. No one can know for sure. I don't have a time travelling machine, i never saw God in a person but just thru the creations and myself.

I think that God is all around us, or at least has to be for us to believe in a God. For some reason, I find it hard to belive that God actually sent down books, pieces of paper, in a particular human language (which only a few speak). That may be true, but I cannot believe that just yet. It's not like I'm choosing not to believe, but I just can't.
God's actual words, I believe, is this universe.
I mean, everything the Quran talks about is a description of this universe. So are many other books or "scriptures" from other parts of the world.
God does not talk to you through a book, God talks to you directly. You posted this because you are looking for answers, and those answers aren't really in the Quran, are they? I mean, the quran can't be specific enough to contain all of our individual questions, so I think it shows us how to talk to God.
As Lost Philosopher said, "God is a very talkative person." We just have to listen. Or see.

Tay

Peace Weinmar,

To add to the excellent replies thus far, I would say you need some perspective. You need to come to your own understanding of the framework of life. Too often I've seen people get caught up in the details with no idea of where to plug them in once they've been understood. I've been guilty of this as well. As they say, you cannot see the forest from the trees. You need to take a step back and formulate your "big picture".

Start with the basics and build from there.

Regarding messengers and their timing, I believe they were exceptional human beings in the sense that they could keep tuned in to God's station on a very consistent basis. Thus they were able to compile pages upon pages of guidance. But this does not mean that you or I or anyone else is cut off from receiving the guidance. On the contrary, the guidance is in a constant flow. Imagine a radio frequency broadcasting a signal. All we need to do is turn the knob to the right frequency and we can hear it crystal clear. But we need to find a good spot with no interference and no peripheral noise first

Peace,
Tay