Nuudiyah: The Call to As-Salaat! (Not Athan)
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As Salaamu Alaikum Forum,
This is my work on the "call" to make As Salaat. It is part of an (e)-book entitled "Aqeemus Salaat Establishing As-Salaat (The Prayer) According to the Qur?an Only!", that I am working on for free online publication soon, Allah willing.
For those of you who do not believe that "As-Salaat" is a "formal" prayer with movements, etc., you may not want to waste your time on this post. I have read almost all of the articles and posts on the subject, and understand that there are varying opinions on the issue. Obviously at this point I am not in agreement with those who believe that "As-Salaat" is not a "formal" prayer with structure and movement. Therefore if you believe that, you posts supporting that or giving me the links that I have already read will be of no use.
For those of you who do still believe that "As-Salaat" is a formal prayer that we should be conducting daily, I would love to hear what you think about this section involving the call to As-Salaat. My approach is by using the words of the Quran and subject matter to make connections and understanding for what Allah is relaying to us. Plus feel free, as I know you will, to use your dictionaries, lexicons, knowledge of Arabic and logic with reason to disagree, agree or point out any mistakes and/or additions that you think are revelant.
In my research on the topic, using portions of many of the articles on this site and others, as well as my own background and understanding from Al Quran, I have found the entire As-Salaat to be detailed in the Quran with all that we need to understand how to perform this act of submission, obedience, and worship.
I may posts additional portions of the book as time passes, but I am still reviewing it and making changes or additions as I come across new information or a better understanding of the process. I am very comfortable with what I have so far and I enjoy making As Salaat much more each day now than I ever did before when I practised it the "sunni" way.
May Allah continue to have Mercy on us all and guide us to the Siratul Mustaqeem, Insha Allah
Here it is
- NUUDIYAH THE CALL TO AS-SALAAT!
NAADA` v.b. (III) ~ to call, to cry; (with prep. fi) to proclaim. (n. vb.) the act of calling, a call, a shout, a cry. (pcple. act.) a caller, a crier.
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Transliteration Wa-itha nadaytum ila alssalati ittakhathooha huzuwan walaAAiban thalika bi-annahum qawmun la yaAAqiloona
Literal And if you called to (for) the prayers, they took it mockingly and playing/amusement, that (is) with that they are a nation (that) do not reason/understand/comprehend.
When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding.In this ayat, Allah gives us the information that the Messenger and the believers used a verbal call to make As-Salaat, in order to gather the people. It is clear that it could be heard because some people took it mockingly and as amusement. The question is what was said?
It is worthy to point out here that ?Athan?, which comes from ?a-tha-na?, is a noun that means ?proclamation?. You can find it?s usage in the Qur?an in 93; 744; 7167; 1270; 147; 2227; 21109; and 4147, all of which have nothing to do with As-Salaat!
d) perf. pass. (nuudiya)
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Transliteration Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo itha noodiya lilssalati min yawmi aljumuAAati faisAAaw ila thikri Allahi watharoo albayAAa thalikum khayrun lakum in kuntum taAAlamoona
Literal You, you those who believed, if (it) was called to the prayers from the Friday's/gathering's day/time, so hasten/move quickly to God's reminder/mention, and leave the selling/trading, that (is) best for you, if you were knowing.
O ye who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the Day of Assembly), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (and traffic) That is best for you if ye but knew!Here Allah lets us know that all those who have trusting faith in Him, when the call is made for?As-Salaatil min yawmil Jumu?ah? to be made, that we should all leave off any business or trading that we are doing and move quickly to the remembrance of Allah; if we know what is best for us! This gives the example of the ?nidaa? or call to As-Salaat in reference to the congregational performance thereof. We still need to know what is best to be said from the Qur?an to call people and prepare them to make As-Salaat. Allah never leaves the believer without what they need in Al-Qur?an Al-?Atheem
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TransliterationAllatheena yathkuroona Allaha qiyaman waquAAoodan waAAala junoobihim wayatafakkaroona fee khalqi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbana ma khalaqta hatha batilan subhanaka faqina AAathaba alnnari
Literal Those who mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they think in the skies'/space's and the earth's/Planet Earth's creation, "Our Lord, you have not created that wastefully, your praise/glory, so protect us (from)/make us avoid the fire's torture."
Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought) "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.The call ?nidaa? can be said to begin at ?Our Lord!.....Fire.?, and to continue on including the following ayah (the conection will be made shortly)
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Transliteration Rabbana innaka man tudkhili alnnara faqad akhzaytahu wama lilththalimeena min ansarin
Literal Our Lord, that you whom you make to enter the fire, so you had shamed/scandalized/disgraced him, and (there are) none to the unjust/oppressors from victoriors/saviors/supporters.
"Our Lord! any whom Thou dost admit to the Fire, Truly Thou coverest with shame, and never will wrong-doers Find any helpers!The call to As-Salaat is in the form of what we commonly call a ?dua? or supplication to Allah! Try to feel in your heart and mind the state of humility that you will be in upon hearing these ayah before performing As-Salaat!
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Transliteration Rabbana innana samiAAna munadiyan yunadee lil-eemani an aminoo birabbikum faamanna rabbana faighfir lana thunoobana wakaffir AAanna sayyi-atina watawaffana maAAa al-abrari
Literal Our Lord, that we heard a caller, calls to the belief, 'That believe with your Lord', so we believed, Our Lord, so forgive for us our crimes, and cover/substitute from us our sins/crimes, and make us die with the righteous.
"Our Lord! We have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe ye in the Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and take to Thyself our souls in the company of the righteous.Allah gives us the clue with this ayat which connects the call to As-Salaat from ayat 558 and ayat 629, by using forms of the verb ?na-da-wa?; to the Messenger of Allah as being the caller, ?munaadiyan?, who is calling us, ?yunaadee?, to faith in Allah!
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Transliteration Rabbana waatina ma waAAadtana AAala rusulika wala tukhzina yawma alqiyamati innaka la tukhlifu almeeAAada
Literal Our Lord, and give us what you promised us on your messengers, and do not shame/scandalize/disgrace us (on) the Resurrection Day, that you do not break the appointment (promise).
"Our Lord! Grant us what Thou didst promise unto us through Thine messengers, and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment For Thou never breakest Thy promise."This is the ending of the ?nidaa? or call to As-Salaat that the believers, those who have trusting faith in Allah should be making. Although all of the congregation should be reciting these ayat, they should be doing so silently as only one person should be reciting the Qur?an aloud, and all others are commanded to remain silently while Al-Qur?an Al-?Atheem is recited. See the following ayat
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Transliteration Wa-itha quri-a alqur-anu faistamiAAoo lahu waansitoo laAAallakum turhamoona
Literal And if the Koran is read, so hear/listen to it and listen quietly, maybe/perhaps We have mercy upon you. When the Qur'an is read, listen to it with attention, and hold your peace that ye may receive Mercy.Those who observe and follow the best of what Allah has revealed in Al-Qur?an Al-?Atheem, have the following ayat as a promise to them that is binding from Allah! All Praise is Due to Allah, The Lord of All of the Worlds!
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Transliteration Faistajaba lahum rabbuhum annee la odeeAAu AAamala AAamilin minkum min thakarin aw ontha baAAdukum min baAAdin faallatheena hajaroo waokhrijoo min diyarihim waoothoo fee sabeelee waqataloo waqutiloo laokaffiranna AAanhum sayyi-atihim walaodkhilannahum jannatin tajree min tahtiha al-anharu thawaban min AAindi Allahi waAllahu AAindahu husnu alththawabi
Literal So their Lord answered/replied to them "That I do not loose/waste the maker's/doer's deed from you, from a male or a female, some/part of you (are) from some/part (you are from each other), so those who emigrated, and were brought out from their homes/houses, and were harmed mildly in My way/sake, and they fought, and they were killed, I cover/substitute (E) from them their sins/crimes, and I will enter them (E) treed gardens, the rivers flow from below/beneath it, a reward from at God, and God at Him (is) the good/beautiful the reward".
And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female Ye are members, one of another Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of Allah, and from His presence is the best of rewards."Hope this helps someone! Looking forward to and welcoming your comments and observations.
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As-Salaamu Alaikum Forum,
I would love to know what any of you that have read this post think about it. Any comments, positive or negative?
As Salaamu Alaikum peace
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Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
The "nidaa" mentioned in 3193 is the "nidaa" of the messenger of Allah towards faith/imaan (belief in Allah) according to the context, not towards al-salaat. Your inference of it being the "nidaa" to al-salaat is merely a baseless assumption.
Allah not telling us the exact wordings of "nidaa" to al-salaat in al-qur'aan, therefore, can only mean that He left it up to us to arbitrarily choose any set of words/phrases for the purpose of "nidaa" to al-salaat, either based on al-qur'aan or common sense.
Here Allah lets us know that all those who have trusting faith in Him, when the call is made for?As-Salaatil min yawmil Jumu?ah? to be made, that we should all leave off any business or trading that we are doing and move quickly to the remembrance of Allah;
In the above part of your post, it should read "lil salaati min yawmil jum3ah", and not "as-salaatil", as that changes the meaning.
I do not agree with the translation of "yawmil jum3ah" as "Friday" which is pure conjecture/fabrication. The correct translation in my understanding should be "day/time/period of assembly" referring to any congregation/gathering for the purpose of establishing al-salaat.
Having said the above, I do agree with your assertion that the timed al-salaat of the mumineen/muslimeen is a daily "ritual", both physical/bodily and mental. Keep up the good work !
Salaamun alaika
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As Salaamu Alaikum Tanveer,
Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
The "nidaa" mentioned in 3193 is the "nidaa" of the messenger of Allah towards faith/imaan (belief in Allah) according to the context, not towards al-salaat. Your inference of it being the "nidaa" to al-salaat is merely a baseless assumption.
These groups of ayah begin
Literal Those who mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on their sides, and they think in the skies'/space's and the earth's/Planet Earth's creation, "Our Lord, you have not created that wastefully, your praise/glory, so protect us (from)/make us avoid the fire's torture."
Its "reference" is the "call" of the messenger of Allah to faith. But it is the call of those who "mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on their sides". It is a "dua". I think this dua is appropiate and "indicated" to be used as the "nudiyaa" for As Salaat, and it could also be used at the end of performing As Salaat as an additional "dua".
It is not a "baseless assumption" to reference it to As Salaat just because the words "As Salaat" are not mentioned in the same exact ayat. The "basis" for the "connection" is the use of the verb "na-da-wa" to guide the believer to a conclusion. "The "connection" is made for those who study the related ayat of Al Quran and "comprehend" the subject matter as being the same. "Thikr" of Allah is connected to As Salaat in many ayat.
As I mentioned in the article
Try to feel in your heart and mind the state of humility that you will be in upon hearing these ayah before performing As-Salaat!
Allah not telling us the exact wordings of "nidaa" to al-salaat in al-qur'aan, therefore, can only mean that He left it up to us to arbitrarily choose any set of words/phrases for the purpose of "nidaa" to al-salaat, either based on al-qur'aan or common sense.
I would disagree based on my previous response. I think it is "indicated" clearly that this is the "best" and most Quranic way to use the ayat to gather the people for prayer. When one reflects not only on the "connection" to come to this conclusion, but also on the "content" of the ayats themselves; to me it can clearly be seen that this "wording" given to us by Allah is much, much more appropiate and meaningful than the current "athan" used by "traditional muslims" today.
That being said, "nuudiya" will only usually be heard by those in the immediate pressence of it, so it is only a signification to prepare physically, mentally and spiritually to perform As-Salaat. I don't find any direct punishment for those who don't use it. It is not a matter so to speak of "halaal and haraam". But I do believe it is clear guidance for us to make things easy by preparing us for As Salaat if we reflect on the "duas" given in these ayat.
In the above part of your post, it should read "lil salaati min yawmil jum3ah", and not "as-salaatil", as that changes the meaning.
In your repost of "lil salaati min yawmil jum3ah", you didn't correctly copy it down from the transliteration either. The transliteration is actually "lilssalati min yawmi aljumuAAati" and the arabic is . The reason for this is that the definite article "al" is encompassed in the arabic of this verse, thus making my become correct when you understand the "for" as "li", which could also be translated as "to", which is most common. So I do not agree that the meaning is changed since "al" is included in the arabic. This also can be reinforced from the following ayat in the sura
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Transliteration Fa-itha qudiyati alssalatu faintashiroo fee al-ardi waibtaghoo min fadli Allahi waothkuroo Allaha katheeran laAAallakum tuflihoona
Literal So if the prayers were accomplished/ended , so spread/spread out in the Earth/land , and ask/wish/desire from God's grace/favour/blessing, and mention/remember/praise/ glorify God much, maybe/perhaps you succeed/win.I do not agree with the translation of "yawmil jum3ah" as "Friday" which is pure conjecture/fabrication. The correct translation in my understanding should be "day/time/period of assembly" referring to any congregation/gathering for the purpose of establishing al-salaat.
I agree with you that I am not comfortable with the translation as "Friday". One main reason is that this current use of "Jumuah" as the name for Friday doesn't coincide with the other names of the week, which is an obvious indication of the change. At the same time, I also don't see any evidence that it is not one of the "particular" days of the week, as opposed to just being any "day/time/period of assembly" that would refer to any congregational gathering. The people who renamed "Friday" as "Jumuah" could have chosen to do so because it would be different from the "Jewish Saturday" and "Christian Sunday" as days of congregational worship. Sometimes we, as followers of guidance in written form from Allah in the Quran only, come to the same "type" of conclusions by trying to be "different" than what "hadith" followers have choosen to follow.
I intend to research this more and pray that Allah will guide me to a better understanding of this aspect, Allah willing.
Having said the above, I do agree with your assertion that the timed al-salaat of the mumineen/muslimeen is a daily "ritual", both physical/bodily and mental. Keep up the good work !
Salaamun alaika
Alhamdulilaah. Im glad to hear that you believe that As Salaat is a timed daily "ritual". I have been reading some of your posts and comments, as well as others; especially on "As Salaatul Al Wusta". Please feel free to share with me anything new you have found or repost points with new wordings or perspectives. I appreciate your comments and value in our process of seeking continued growth in understanding Al Islam from the Quran alone as our trusted written guide from Allah. I am looking forward to continuing the process, Allah willing.
As-Salaamu Alaikum peace
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Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
Its "reference" is the "call" of the messenger of Allah to faith. But it is the call of those who "mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on their sides". It is a "dua". I think this dua is appropiate and "indicated" to be used as the "nudiyaa" for As Salaat, and it could also be used at the end of performing As Salaat as an additional "dua".
It is not a "baseless assumption" to reference it to As Salaat just because the words "As Salaat" are not mentioned in the same exact ayat. The "basis" for the "connection" is the use of the verb "na-da-wa" to guide the believer to a conclusion. "The "connection" is made for those who study the related ayat of Al Quran and "comprehend" the subject matter as being the same. "Thikr" of Allah is connected to As Salaat in many ayat.
I agree that it is a "dua" of those who remember The God, but I disagree that it is "indicated" to be used as "nudiya" for al-salaat. According to the context it is a "dua" of those who remember The God, and talks about the "nidaa" of the messenger of The God to faith and not to al-salaat. Just because the verb "na-da-wa" is used in the referenced verse does not mean it is the "nidaa" to al-salaat. That, in my opinion is a very weak argument.
Having said that, I think ANY verse of al-qur'aan which induces the state of humility can be used as "nidaa" for al-salaat, including the verse you referenced, but not for the same reasons given by you ! My stance is that The God has not given any specific "wording" for "nidaa" to al-salaat, thus leaving it up to us to arbitrarily choose any suitable wordings from al-qur'aan.
In your repost of "lil salaati min yawmil jum3ah", you didn't correctly copy it down from the transliteration either. The transliteration is actually "lilssalati min yawmi aljumuAAati" and the arabic is . The reason for this is that the definite article "al" is encompassed in the arabic of this verse, thus making my become correct when you understand the "for" as "li", which could also be translated as "to", which is most common. So I do not agree that the meaning is changed since "al" is included in the arabic.
Thanks for drawing my attention to the "for" that I missed before "as-salaat", but then you should include the "for" between the quotation marks instead of outside them. That still leaves the second part "il" in the "as-salaatil". The correct is "for as-salaatI min....." instead of "for as-salaatIL min", because the "il" makes it appear as if there is an "al" before the "yawm", whereas there isn't.
I agree with you that I am not comfortable with the translation as "Friday". One main reason is that this current use of "Jumuah" as the name for Friday doesn't coincide with the other names of the week, which is an obvious indication of the change. At the same time, I also don't see any evidence that it is not one of the "particular" days of the week, as opposed to just being any "day/time/period of assembly" that would refer to any congregational gathering. The people who renamed "Friday" as "Jumuah" could have chosen to do so because it would be different from the "Jewish Saturday" and "Christian Sunday" as days of congregational worship. Sometimes we, as followers of guidance in written form from Allah in the Quran only, come to the same "type" of conclusions by trying to be "different" than what "hadith" followers have choosen to follow.
My understanding of "yawm al-jum3ati" according to al-qur'aan is as follows
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12991.msg106788#msg106788
The word "yaum" in al-qur'aan refers to a time period and not necessarily a 24 hour day.
In my understanding, there is no such thing as the Friday salat according to al-qur'aan. There is no basis of a seven day week from al-qur'aan. The proper name of the day Jum'ah was hijacked from the common noun "al-jum'ah" from 629 meaning "the assembly or gathering" and "yaum al-jum'ah" in 629 means "time of the assembly/gathering". Now Allah never leaves anything vague/unclear in al-qur'aan. Which time is the time of the assembly/gathering according to al-qur'aan then ? If we look closely we find that the only time we are called to gather/assemble in this world in al-qur'aan is for hajj
2227 And call out to the people with the hajj, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.
In my understanding the "yaum al-jum'ah" in 629 refers to this time when the people are gathered for hajj and 629 refers to the call to the salat at this particular assembly/gathering for hajj and then the command to hasten towards remembring Allah and CEASE ALL SELLING makes total sense.
I would like to quote a relevant excerpt from brother Ayman's article "How did it come to this? (part 1)
"Another interesting common thread that runs through several of those idols is that they all had association with Friday. For example, Ashtoreth is connected to Friday. So is Venus, where the Romans named Friday after her as "dies veneris". The very name Friday is derived from the Norse goddess, Frigga. When the Germanic tribes invaded England they imposed their goddess upon the day meant to honor Venus. The day was called Frigedaeg, which gradually became "Friday". I don't think that it is a coincidence that Friday also became the "holy day" for sectarians who venerate Allat/Aphrodite and her black cube and Black Stone." - Ayman
Alhamdulilaah. Im glad to hear that you believe that As Salaat is a timed daily "ritual". I have been reading some of your posts and comments, as well as others; especially on "As Salaatul Al Wusta". Please feel free to share with me anything new you have found or repost points with new wordings or perspectives. I appreciate your comments and value in our process of seeking continued growth in understanding Al Islam from the Quran alone as our trusted written guide from Allah. I am looking forward to continuing the process, Allah willing.
One important point to consider is that the dawn salaat and dusk salaat are mentioned in al-qur'aan without the AL before the salaat
SALAAT AL-FAJR (245
SALAAT AL-ISHA (245
meaning "salaat OF dawn" and "salaat OF dusk".
However the wusta salaat is mentioned with the AL before the salaat
AL-SALAAT AL-WUSTA (223
meaning "wusta salaat" (wusta used as adjective) and not "salaat OF wusta", which is one point in favor of it not being the name/time of a salaat.
Just an important point I thought was worth sharing.
This has been discussed before at the following links
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13595.msg115538#msg115538
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.msg12526#msg12526
Salaamun alaika
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As Salaamu Alaikum Tanveer,
Thank you again for these comments and observations. I will respond to them below.
As Salaamu Alaikum peace
Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
I agree that it is a "dua" of those who remember The God, but I disagree that it is "indicated" to be used as "nudiya" for al-salaat. According to the context it is a "dua" of those who remember The God, and talks about the "nidaa" of the messenger of The God to faith and not to al-salaat. Just because the verb "na-da-wa" is used in the referenced verse does not mean it is the "nidaa" to al-salaat. That, in my opinion is a very weak argument.
Having said that, I think ANY verse of al-qur'aan which induces the state of humility can be used as "nidaa" for al-salaat, including the verse you referenced, but not for the same reasons given by you ! My stance is that The God has not given any specific "wording" for "nidaa" to al-salaat, thus leaving it up to us to arbitrarily choose any suitable wordings from al-qur'aan.
Okay, I understand how you don't see the same "connection" that I do. I will try to had some general ayaat that may help you to see the connection that I am making and why, insha Allah.
First you agreed that it is a "dua" of those who remember The God. Please note the connection in the following ayah
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Transliteration Innanee ana Allahu la ilaha illa ana faoAAbudnee waaqimi alssalata lithikree
Literal That I , I am God, no god except Me, so worship Me, and keep up/start the prayers for mentioning/remembering Me (E).
"Verily, I am Allah There is no god but I So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praiseThis establishes the further connection of the ayah to As-Salaat by the connection of "waaqimi alssalata lithikree". Secondly, you said "and talks about the "nidaa" of the messenger of The God to faith and not to al-salaat". Note the following ayah
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Transliteration Fa-itha qadaytumu alssalata faothkuroo Allaha qiyaman waquAAoodan waAAala junoobikum fa-itha itma/nantum faaqeemoo alssalata inna alssalata kanat AAala almu/mineena kitaban mawqootan
Literal So if you (P) accomplished the prayers, so mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on your sides, so if you became secured, so keep up the prayers, that the prayers was/is on the believers decreed (at) appointed times .
When ye pass (Congregational) prayers, celebrate Allah's praises, standing, sitting down, or lying down on your sides; but when ye are free from danger, set up Regular Prayers For such prayers are enjoined on believers at stated times.This ayat establishes that As-Salaat is enjoined upon "believers", or "those who have trusting faith(Iman) in Allah". We all know that the root of "almu'mineena" is "amana" or faith. So IMHO another connection is thus made.
When you add these two connections with the verb "nadawa", one can see "direction" to the believer in the Quran for guidance. Allah has put no crookedness in the book and explains its verses clearly and in a detailed manner; but that is only made possible for those who have trusting faith in His Guidance. Therefore all things are not always clear to all of us at the same time because all of our individaul "faith" are being tested at different times, in which this faith continues growing or shrinking, depending on our personal situatioin.
I firmly believe that Allah would not give us the example of a call being made to As Salaat, then we have one in today's time that includes Shirk; but then Allah would not guide us to the call that is most pleasing to Him. Based off of these analysises, the connections made in Al-Quran to those ayaat, the spiritual reflection in those ayaat that prepares one's mind for the preparation of As-Salaat, and the fact that I can find no other reference in Al Quran for what would be appropiate for a call to As-Salaat; I firmly "believe" that Allah has left these clues of guidance in Al-Quran for the believer to find and implement, insha Allah. To me this is a Strong argument, even if others disagree or can't see it. I invite you to ponder on it again, insha Allah.
Thanks for drawing my attention to the "for" that I missed before "as-salaat", but then you should include the "for" between the quotation marks instead of outside them. That still leaves the second part "il" in the "as-salaatil". The correct is "for as-salaatI min....." instead of "for as-salaatIL min", because the "il" makes it appear as if there is an "al" before the "yawm", whereas there isn't.
My understanding of "yawm al-jum3ati" according to al-qur'aan is as follows
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12991.msg106788#msg106788
The word "yaum" in al-qur'aan refers to a time period and not necessarily a 24 hour day.
Your points on the correct transliterations are well observed and thanked.
It is a very good point that you make that there is no "al" (the) before the word "yaum". More contemplation and prayer for guidance should help to add more understanding to it, insha Allah. I have read several of the articles and posts on the term "yaum" that deal with it in reference to "Al Jumuah". I haven't concluded as of yet if I accept either theory completely, as I have not focused specifically on it as of yet. I agree that "yaum" can be a time period and not necessarily a 24 hour day; but it can mean a day, because a day is a time period; and it could also just mean that period during which "Al Jumuah" is held, which could be a part of a day, i.e. a couple of hours, or it could be a period of "days" such as 10. Allahu Alim. After further research and praying, I will try to come to my own conclusion that will be in agreement with Al Quran, in the very near future, Allah willing.
In my understanding, there is no such thing as the Friday salat according to al-qur'aan. There is no basis of a seven day week from al-qur'aan. The proper name of the day Jum'ah was hijacked from the common noun "al-jum'ah" from 629 meaning "the assembly or gathering" and "yaum al-jum'ah" in 629 means "time of the assembly/gathering". Now Allah never leaves anything vague/unclear in al-qur'aan. Which time is the time of the assembly/gathering according to al-qur'aan then ? If we look closely we find that the only time we are called to gather/assemble in this world in al-qur'aan is for hajj
I have not studied if there is a basis for a seven day week in Al Quran yet. I know that the number 7 is mentioned, so I will have to look into in due time, insha Allah. I do not know of any reference to there being a different number of days of the week, so the conclusion could be that since all already followed a seven day week calander, that it was not necessary to give this information again. Allah does correct the number of months.
I would agree that the "Friday Salaat" appears to be a hijacking of the term; but I can not yet be conclusive on this issue. The way 629 is revealed, it is clear that the people hearing it understood what it meant. So it must have been common. To me that could or could not support the theory of it being "Hajj". To me it appears to have been more common than a once a year thing, based on the context and spirit in which it is given.
2227 And call out to the people with the hajj, they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.
In my understanding the "yaum al-jum'ah" in 629 refers to this time when the people are gathered for hajj and 629 refers to the call to the salat at this particular assembly/gathering for hajj and then the command to hasten towards remembring Allah and CEASE ALL SELLING makes total sense.
I don't see a linguistic connection in this ayat to 629 because the term used for is "aththin", which to me means more of a proclamation/announcement than a physical "calling out".
I do see your point of how this could make sense to you, and Allah knows best. I am not going to say it is incorrect, I just can not confirm from my studies to agree with it at this point. I am leaning towards not agreeing with it, but I would not rule out that I may end up agreeing with it after more study and prayers, insha Allah. I think it is something we need to definitely resolve for the benefit of unity among those who have trusting faith in the guidance in the Quran without the help of "traditional hadith".
I would like to quote a relevant excerpt from brother Ayman's article "How did it come to this? (part 1)
"Another interesting common thread that runs through several of those idols is that they all had association with Friday. For example, Ashtoreth is connected to Friday. So is Venus, where the Romans named Friday after her as "dies veneris". The very name Friday is derived from the Norse goddess, Frigga. When the Germanic tribes invaded England they imposed their goddess upon the day meant to honor Venus. The day was called Frigedaeg, which gradually became "Friday". I don't think that it is a coincidence that Friday also became the "holy day" for sectarians who venerate Allat/Aphrodite and her black cube and Black Stone." - Ayman
We all abhor idol worship and any connection to it as a basis for how we practice the Deen of Al Islam. That being said, I don't think the name for the current "Friday" which is "Al Jumuah" now in arabic; I don't think it was named Friday before that. But more likely, it had its specific number as a name, as do the other days of the week in arabic. That being said, "Al Jumuah" could still have been a day of the week. It could have been Saturday, Sunday or any of the other days. The "hadith" followers could have changed it to Friday so as to make themselves completely different from the Jews and Christians, as they so like to do with everything. Therefore the possiblility would still exist that it refers to a particular day of the week, or period during that day, which was common for the believers to gather together for instruction and congregational As Salaat.
One important point to consider is that the dawn salaat and dusk salaat are mentioned in al-qur'aan without the AL before the salaat
SALAAT AL-FAJR (245
SALAAT AL-ISHA (245
meaning "salaat OF dawn" and "salaat OF dusk".
However the wusta salaat is mentioned with the AL before the salaat
AL-SALAAT AL-WUSTA (223
meaning "wusta salaat" (wusta used as adjective) and not "salaat OF wusta", which is one point in favor of it not being the name/time of a salaat.
Just an important point I thought was worth sharing.
This has been discussed before at the following links
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13595.msg115538#msg115538
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.msg12526#msg12526
Salaamun alaika
Yes, I understand your point of view and have been rereading those threads and articles dealing with the subject. I intend to post my points of view and current conclusions on the issue in the section of the book that contains it, soon, insha Allah. Thanks for the addtional links if I have not already read them.
Until next time.....
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Salaamun alaika IQO,
Okay, I understand how you don't see the same "connection" that I do. I will try to had some general ayaat that may help you to see the connection that I am making and why, insha Allah.
First you agreed that it is a "dua" of those who remember The God. Please note the connection in the following ayah
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Transliteration Innanee ana Allahu la ilaha illa ana faoAAbudnee waaqimi alssalata lithikree
Literal That I , I am God, no god except Me, so worship Me, and keep up/start the prayers for mentioning/remembering Me (E).
"Verily, I am Allah There is no god but I So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praiseThis establishes the further connection of the ayah to As-Salaat by the connection of "waaqimi alssalata lithikree".
I agree that one of the purposes of al-salaat is remembrance of Allah; however, that is not the issue under discussion. 2014 connects al-salaat to 3191, but that still does not prove that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is the call to al-salaat or that remembrance of The God cannot be done outside salaat and that whenever remembrance is mentioned in al-qur'aan it is ALWAYS referring to salaat. In fact, according to 4103, the remembering of The God, standing and sitting and on the sides, is AFTER accomplishing the salaat, which actually proves that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is AFTER accomplishing the salat and not a call to al-salaat.
Secondly, you said "and talks about the "nidaa" of the messenger of The God to faith and not to al-salaat". Note the following ayah
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Transliteration Fa-itha qadaytumu alssalata faothkuroo Allaha qiyaman waquAAoodan waAAala junoobikum fa-itha itma/nantum faaqeemoo alssalata inna alssalata kanat AAala almu/mineena kitaban mawqootan
Literal So if you (P) accomplished the prayers, so mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on your sides, so if you became secured, so keep up the prayers, that the prayers was/is on the believers decreed (at) appointed times .
When ye pass (Congregational) prayers, celebrate Allah's praises, standing, sitting down, or lying down on your sides; but when ye are free from danger, set up Regular Prayers For such prayers are enjoined on believers at stated times.This ayat establishes that As-Salaat is enjoined upon "believers", or "those who have trusting faith(Iman) in Allah". We all know that the root of "almu'mineena" is "amana" or faith. So IMHO another connection is thus made.
When you add these two connections with the verb "nadawa", one can see "direction" to the believer in the Quran for guidance. Allah has put no crookedness in the book and explains its verses clearly and in a detailed manner; but that is only made possible for those who have trusting faith in His Guidance. Therefore all things are not always clear to all of us at the same time because all of our individaul "faith" are being tested at different times, in which this faith continues growing or shrinking, depending on our personal situatioin.
I agree that al-salaat is enjoined upon "believers", or "those who have trusting faith in Allah", and again, this is not the issue under discussion. The fact that al-salaat is enjoined upon those who have faith in Allah does not mean that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is the call to al-salaat; that is wrong logic. As I proved above, that "dua" is actually to be said AFTER accomplishing the salaat. It mentions the calling of the messenger of Allah to faith and not call to al-salaat.
I hope you see these points, otherwise I think we will just have to agree to disagree ! This issue is a minor one anyway as you yourself admitted in an earlier reply.
I firmly believe that Allah would not give us the example of a call being made to As Salaat, then we have one in today's time that includes Shirk; but then Allah would not guide us to the call that is most pleasing to Him. Based off of these analysises, the connections made in Al-Quran to those ayaat, the spiritual reflection in those ayaat that prepares one's mind for the preparation of As-Salaat, and the fact that I can find no other reference in Al Quran for what would be appropiate for a call to As-Salaat; I firmly "believe" that Allah has left these clues of guidance in Al-Quran for the believer to find and implement, insha Allah. To me this is a Strong argument, even if others disagree or can't see it. I invite you to ponder on it again, insha Allah.
I have no problem with The God not giving us the exact wordings of the call to al-salaat in al-qur'aan. To me it just means that the exact wordings are not important as long as any suitable wordings are used to call for al-salaat which do not go against qur'aanic principles, the call itself being important. Thus The God has left up to us to arbitrarily choose any suitable wordings from al-qur'aan or common sense for the purpose of "nidaa" to al-salaat. Having said that, I disagree with some of the wordings used for the call to al-salaat in the current sectarian "athaan".
I have not studied if there is a basis for a seven day week in Al Quran yet. I know that the number 7 is mentioned, so I will have to look into in due time, insha Allah. I do not know of any reference to there being a different number of days of the week, so the conclusion could be that since all already followed a seven day week calander, that it was not necessary to give this information again. Allah does correct the number of months.
Al-qur'aan is fully detailed and gives all examples relevant to our guidance. If a seven day week was important, The God would have said so. The fact that there is no basis for a seven day week in al-qur'aan proves that The God has left up to us to arbitrarily divide a period of time into a "week" and define the number of days in a "week".
In addition to that, your statement that all already followed a seven day week, is not a fact. Please bring actual, solid, and irrefutable evidence for that. Brother Ayman has done research that shows that some societies had a "week" of more than 7 days too in the past. Reference the following post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12979.msg106584#msg106584
All of this indicates that there is no basis in al-qur'aan for choosing a certain day of the week for a congregational salaat, and that 629 talks possibly about ANY congregational salaat in general on ANY day. I have the understanding, however, that it is more likely that 629 refers to "hajj" period, since that is the ONLY specific period/time of congregation/assembly enjoined upon mankind in al-qur'aan. Make the "connection" and there is a high likelihood that 629 is referring to the period of "hajj".
Salaamun alaika
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As Salaamu Alaikum Tanveer,
Salaamun alaika IQO,
I agree that one of the purposes of al-salaat is remembrance of Allah; however, that is not the issue under discussion. 2014 connects al-salaat to 3191, but that still does not prove that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is the call to al-salaat or that remembrance of The God cannot be done outside salaat and that whenever remembrance is mentioned in al-qur'aan it is ALWAYS referring to salaat. In fact, according to 4103, the remembering of The God, standing and sitting and on the sides, is AFTER accomplishing the salaat, which actually proves that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is AFTER accomplishing the salat and not a call to al-salaat.
I agree that remembrance of Allah can be done outside of As-Salaat and that whenever it is mentioned does not mean that it is referring to As-Salaat. I hope I didn't indicate somehow that that was my belief. In reviewing what you said in reference to 4103, I believe that you have made a good point here. In revisiting the ayat for contemplation, I see your point of view here that it would be after the As-Salaat. But I don't think that is "proof" that it can NOT be used as the call to As-Salaat. Let me make this small point
The word used for "accomplished, performed, finished" in this ayat is "qadaytumu". This word from the root "QaDaYa" means to decree, the issue a verdict, to determine, to decide, to create; to perform, to accomplish, to satisfy, to fulfil; (with prep. 'alaa) to dispatch, to do someone in, to terminate, to kill. (pacple. act.) one who decides, who decrees, who judges. (pcple. pass.) that which is determined, decreed.
The ayat could easily also be translated as
"So when you have "decreed, determined" The Prayer, mention/remember The God, standing, and sitting and on your sides, so when you have become secured, so establish/maintain/keep up The Prayer. Indeed The Prayer is over/on those who have trusting faith, a timed/appointed/fixed writing/book/inscription."
Transliteration Fa-itha qadaytumu alssalata faothkuroo Allaha qiyaman waquAAoodan waAAala junoobikum fa-itha itma/nantum faaqeemoo alssalata inna alssalata kanat AAala almu/mineena kitaban mawqootan
Literal So if you (P) accomplished the prayers, so mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on your sides, so if you became secured, so keep up the prayers, that the prayers was/is on the believers decreed (at) appointed times .This would give the indication that when you have determind that it is time to establish As-Salaat, you are to "faothkuroo Allaha". This makes the rest of the ayat to coincide by following with the instruction "so then when you are secure, establish the prayer." The term "nuudiya" is not used here, but is one is looking with the heart and not only the analytical mind, the connection with the addition ayaat discussed can clearly be seen.
I will contemplate on this some more, and get back to you on it. I think both conclusions could be valid for the word "qadaytumu".
I agree that al-salaat is enjoined upon "believers", or "those who have trusting faith in Allah", and again, this is not the issue under discussion. The fact that al-salaat is enjoined upon those who have faith in Allah does not mean that the "dua" mentioned in 3191 onwards is the call to al-salaat; that is wrong logic. As I proved above, that "dua" is actually to be said AFTER accomplishing the salaat. It mentions the calling of the messenger of Allah to faith and not call to al-salaat.
I hope you see these points, otherwise I think we will just have to agree to disagree ! This issue is a minor one anyway as you yourself admitted in an earlier reply.
I do see your points here brother Tanveer. And we may have to agree to disagree. But also, it is not just "logic" to conclude that these ayat of "dua" can and should be used as the call to As-Salaat. It is from contemplating on the issue, vocabulary and ussage, some logic, and taking what is best that Allah has given us in the book. The ayat are a group of believers acknowledging the call to faith from the messengers call using the ayats given to him by Allah. These believers are acknowledging their acceptance and submission to the message. They are pondering on the creation of Allah as well. They are imploring Allah to accept of them their service by granting them what He has promised through the messengers. This is a beautiful way to prepare the mind for As-Salaat. If we are to "nuudiya" the people to As-Salaat, it would be more acceptable to do so using words from Al Quran, whose words can be better?
I don't think is an issue of "halaal and haraam", but one of guidance. If you don't think these are good ayaat to use for the call, then please give me and ayat or ayaat from Al Quran that you believe would be better for that situation. I think that if shurah was used by a community of muslims who follow the guidance of the Quran only, by research, contemplation and prayer; if a vote was to be taken to determine what ayaat would be used from the Quran only for the call, I believe this one would win hands down. That is not evidence, just my belief.
I have no problem with The God not giving us the exact wordings of the call to al-salaat in al-qur'aan. To me it just means that the exact wordings are not important as long as any suitable wordings are used to call for al-salaat which do not go against qur'aanic principles, the call itself being important. Thus The God has left up to us to arbitrarily choose any suitable wordings from al-qur'aan or common sense for the purpose of "nidaa" to al-salaat. Having said that, I disagree with some of the wordings used for the call to al-salaat in the current sectarian "athaan".
Yes, we both agree that the sectarian "athaan" has some problems. For me, the primary one would be that it contains "shirk". I think Allah has not spelled everything out for us in bullet form in order to help us to grow by contemplating on His ayaat.
Al-qur'aan is fully detailed and gives all examples relevant to our guidance. If a seven day week was important, The God would have said so. The fact that there is no basis for a seven day week in al-qur'aan proves that The God has left up to us to arbitrarily divide a period of time into a "week" and define the number of days in a "week".
In addition to that, your statement that all already followed a seven day week, is not a fact. Please bring actual, solid, and irrefutable evidence for that. Brother Ayman has done research that shows that some societies had a "week" of more than 7 days too in the past. Reference the following post
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12979.msg106584#msg106584
All of this indicates that there is no basis in al-qur'aan for choosing a certain day of the week for a congregational salaat, and that 629 talks possibly about ANY congregational salaat in general on ANY day. I have the understanding, however, that it is more likely that 629 refers to "hajj" period, since that is the ONLY specific period/time of congregation/assembly enjoined upon mankind in al-qur'aan. Make the "connection" and there is a high likelihood that 629 is referring to the period of "hajj".
Salaamun alaika
I get what you are saying, but something just came up and I have to run now...I will post a reply to this part soon, Allah willing. Take care brother.
As Salaamu Alaikum
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Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
If you don't think these are good ayaat to use for the call, then please give me and ayat or ayaat from Al Quran that you believe would be better for that situation.
Following are some suggestions for "nidaa" to al-salaat (in blue)
672 Wa an aqeemoo alssalaata waittaqoohu wahuwa allathee ilayhi tuhsharoona
672 And you shall honor the connection, and be aware; and to Him you will be gathered.
The above part in blue can be preceded by "yaa ayyuhallatheena aamanoo"/O believers, with "waittaqoohu" changed to "waittaqullaaha".
The "nidaa" will look like this
yaa ayyuhallatheena aamanoo aqeemus-salaata waittaqullaaha wahuwallathee ilayhi tuhsharoona
1431 Qul li3ibadiya allatheena aamanoo yuqeemoo alssalaata wayunfiqoo mimmaa razaqnaahum sirran wa3alaniyatan min qabli an ya'tiya yawmun la bay3un feehi walaa khilalun
1431 Say to My servants who believe, that they should honor the connection, and spend from what provisions We granted them secretly and publicly, before a Day comes when there is no trade therein, nor will there be any friends.
It can start as "yaa ayyuhallatheena aamanoo"/O believers, and continue with the blue part except changing "yuqeemoo" to "aqeemoo", "wayunfiqoo" to "wa anfiqoo", and "razaqnaahum" to "razaqnaakum".
The full "nidaa" will look like this
yaa ayyuhallatheena aamanoo aqeemus-salaata wa anfiqoo mimmaa razaqnaakum sirran wa3alaniyatan min qabli an ya'tiya yawmun la bay3un feehi walaa khilalun
2277 Ya ayyuhallatheena aamanoo irka3oo waosjudoo wao3budoo rabbakum waif3aloo alkhayra la3allakum tuflihoona
2278 Wajaahidoo fee Allaahi haqqa jihaadihi huwa ijtabaakum wamaa ja3ala 3alaykum fee alddeeni min harajin millata abeekum ibraheema huwa sammaakumu almuslimeena min qablu wafee haathaa liyakoona alrrasoolu shaheedan 3alaykum watakoonoo shuhadaa 3ala alnnaasi faaqeemoo alssalaata wa aatoo alzzakaata wai3taSimoo biAllaahi huwa mawlaakum fani3ma almawlaa wani3ma alnnaSeeru.2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and do good that you may succeed.
2278 And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'those who have submitted' from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over the people. So honor the connection and contribute towards betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.The full "nidaa" will look like this
Ya ayyuhallatheena aamanoo irka3oo waosjudoo wao3budoo rabbakum waif3alulkhayra la3allakum tuflihoona
fa aqeemus-salaata wa aatuz-zakaata wai3taSimoo billaahi huwa mawlaakumI personally like the last one better.
Another suggestion would be to modify the current "aathaan" by deleting the witnessing of the messengership part and leaving the rest as it is.
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Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
The word used for "accomplished, performed, finished" in this ayat is "qadaytumu". This word from the root "QaDaYa" means to decree, the issue a verdict, to determine, to decide, to create; to perform, to accomplish, to satisfy, to fulfil; (with prep. 'alaa) to dispatch, to do someone in, to terminate, to kill. (pacple. act.) one who decides, who decrees, who judges. (pcple. pass.) that which is determined, decreed.
The ayat could easily also be translated as
"So when you have "decreed, determined" The Prayer, mention/remember The God, standing, and sitting and on your sides, so when you have become secured, so establish/maintain/keep up The Prayer. Indeed The Prayer is over/on those who have trusting faith, a timed/appointed/fixed writing/book/inscription."
Transliteration Fa-itha qadaytumu alssalata faothkuroo Allaha qiyaman waquAAoodan waAAala junoobikum fa-itha itma/nantum faaqeemoo alssalata inna alssalata kanat AAala almu/mineena kitaban mawqootan
Literal So if you (P) accomplished the prayers, so mention/remember God standing, and sitting, and on your sides, so if you became secured, so keep up the prayers, that the prayers was/is on the believers decreed (at) appointed times .This would give the indication that when you have determind that it is time to establish As-Salaat, you are to "faothkuroo Allaha". This makes the rest of the ayat to coincide by following with the instruction "so then when you are secure, establish the prayer." The term "nuudiya" is not used here, but is one is looking with the heart and not only the analytical mind, the connection with the addition ayaat discussed can clearly be seen.
I will contemplate on this some more, and get back to you on it. I think both conclusions could be valid for the word "qadaytumu".
From http//www.thefreedictionary.com/
de?ter?mine(d-t?rmn)
v. de?ter?mined, de?ter?min?ing, de?ter?mines
v.tr.
1.
a. To decide or settle (a dispute, for example) conclusively and authoritatively.
b. To end or decide, as by judicial action.
2. To establish or ascertain definitely, as after consideration, investigation, or calculation. See Synonyms at discover.
3. To cause (someone) to come to a conclusion or resolution.
4. To be the cause of; regulate Demand determines production.
5. To give direction to The management committee determines departmental policy.
6. To limit in scope or extent.
7. Mathematics To fix or define the position, form, or configuration of.
8. Logic To explain or limit by adding differences.
9. Law To put an end to; terminate.
v.intr.- To reach a decision; resolve. See Synonyms at decide.
- Law To come to an end.
de?cree(d-kr)
n.- An authoritative order having the force of law.
- Law The judgment of a court of equity, admiralty, probate, or divorce.
- Roman Catholic Church
a. A doctrinal or disciplinary act of an ecumenical council.
b. An administrative act applying or interpreting articles of canon law.
v. de?creed, de?cree?ing, de?crees
v.tr.
To ordain, establish, or decide by decree. See Synonyms at dictate.
v.intr.
To issue a decree.
As clear from the above definitions of the verb form of "decree" and "determine", it indicates CONCLUSION.
So even if you translate as "So when you have "decreed, determined" al-salaat", it still means when you have ended/established/concluded/resolved the salaat, thus pointing to the referenced "dua" being AFTER the salaat.
Salaamun alaika
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As Salaamu Alaika Tanveer,
After studying your comments some using Al Quran, I definitely agree with you that the bigger connection with what I have proposed as the "nudiyaah" is as a dua for after the final prostration of As-Salaat. I have updated some of my work to reflect the change in the ending dua after the final prostration based on this observation and study. So thank you for pointing it out to me.
I will also make comment that I am still studying it, and have reason to believe that it can still be used as the "nudiyyah". It may appear that I am trying to hold on to a "desire" that I have for what I think I may have "discovered", but I assure you that that is not my motivation. The meanings of these words that suggest the conclusion also have shades of meanings that denote passing over or missing. The other connections and reasonings that I gave are still there and valid. To make a long story short, it doesn't cancel out the ayaat being used even if only chosen so by consultation and decision. I hope to have more definite evidence from Al Quran to present when I get the rest of my data saved from my old hard drive soon, insha Allah.
I look forward to our continued dialogue and sharing of knowledge from Al-Quran, insha Allah.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
Salaamun alaika brother IQO,
From http//www.thefreedictionary.com/
de?ter?mine(d-t?rmn)
v. de?ter?mined, de?ter?min?ing, de?ter?mines
v.tr.
1.
a. To decide or settle (a dispute, for example) conclusively and authoritatively.
b. To end or decide, as by judicial action.
2. To establish or ascertain definitely, as after consideration, investigation, or calculation. See Synonyms at discover.
3. To cause (someone) to come to a conclusion or resolution.
4. To be the cause of; regulate Demand determines production.
5. To give direction to The management committee determines departmental policy.
6. To limit in scope or extent.
7. Mathematics To fix or define the position, form, or configuration of.
8. Logic To explain or limit by adding differences.
9. Law To put an end to; terminate.
v.intr.- To reach a decision; resolve. See Synonyms at decide.
- Law To come to an end.
de?cree(d-kr)
n.- An authoritative order having the force of law.
- Law The judgment of a court of equity, admiralty, probate, or divorce.
- Roman Catholic Church
a. A doctrinal or disciplinary act of an ecumenical council.
b. An administrative act applying or interpreting articles of canon law.
v. de?creed, de?cree?ing, de?crees
v.tr.
To ordain, establish, or decide by decree. See Synonyms at dictate.
v.intr.
To issue a decree.
As clear from the above definitions of the verb form of "decree" and "determine", it indicates CONCLUSION.
So even if you translate as "So when you have "decreed, determined" al-salaat", it still means when you have ended/established/concluded/resolved the salaat, thus pointing to the referenced "dua" being AFTER the salaat.
Salaamun alaika