Introduction and Preface to: HOW TO PERFORM AS-SALAAT ACCORDING TO THE QUR?AN...
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Peace brother Abdul,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Just for now one correction.
In the verse 4100-103 the number of minimum rakaat mentioned is one not two. And the upper limit is left to us, which can be 2, 3 or 4 according to time and requirements.
Peace, Hamsa
As-Salaamu Alaikum Hamsa,
No where in the Quran have I heard of a term that described the complete "unit" of As-Salaat. The term "rakaat" is a sunni or shiite invention, or term of use. Therefore you will not find any direct reference to how many "rakaat" there are in Al-Quran. Yet ayat 4102 clearly states that "when they have prostrated", and continuing to denote that they have then finished completing As-Salaat and the other group should then perform it. You have to "stretch" the meaning of this ayat to get more than "one" prostration! Therefore, each group completing only one prostration each denotes that it contains only two units to Aqeemus Salaat when not shortened for danger, etc.
Also please see my post on how many "units" to peform and review 3446.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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Hello all
There is nothing in 4100-103 that states the min number of Rakaas, infact Rukoo was never mentioned, nor one rakaa neither two rakaa for that matter, so for those who cliam this allegation, where they got it from exactly?
Cheers
As-Salaamu Alaika AhmedBahgat,
Please see my last post to Hamsa regarding your comment here.
As-Salaamu Aalikum, peace
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As Salaamu Alaika AhmedBahgat,
-> Verse 100 is encouraging the people to migrate in Allah ways and if we do then we will find a lot of resources in other lands ?And whoever migrate in Allah's way, he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources,?, then the verse is telling us that whoever migrate to Allah and His messenger and dies then his/her reward is with Allah [b? and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Messenger, and then death overtakes him, his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.?, no mention of Salat at all
-> Verse 101 is telling us that we are allowed to shorten our Salat if we travel in the land, however the Salat shortening can only be experienced if we travel in the land of disbelievers (our enemy) who might try to cause distress to us because of our belief ? And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy. ?, while the Salat is mentioned, only shortening it was mentioned, the verse never told us by how much we should shorten it nor the min number of rakaas in this case or other cases.
It may be a technicality to you, but the whole earth belongs to Allah. So there is not such true things as "the land of the disbelievers (our enemy)". One could be in a so called "muslim" land and be among those who want to hurt or harm you, especially if you believe differently than they do on certain issues. The key here is travelling anywhere, where you are not in the security of your own home or environment that you have secured. A Masjid in the city where I live that is my home and has been secured for those who believe and worship together at that particulary place, may be considered in "the land of disbelievers (our enemy)".
You are correct, ayat 4101 doesn't tell how how much we are to shorten it by, the next one does that.
-> Verse 102 is a message to the prophet (however it can be implemented by other believers if the circumstances are the same), the message is simply as follow, if the prophet is with a group of believers and called for the Salat to be started ?And when you are among them and keep up the prayer for them,?, then the prophet may allow another group to not to take part of the salat with them but stand behind them to protect them from the enemy while the first group is performing the Salat ? let a party of them stand up with you, and let them take their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves let them go to your rear,", then when the first group finish the Salat, the second group who was talking guard can do the Salat while the first group take guard ?and let another party who have not prayed come forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautions and their arms; ?, this message is because at the time of the prophet the Kafiroon were so hostie to the believers at that time? (for) those who disbelieve desire that you may be careless of your arms and your luggage, so that they may then turn upon you with a sudden united attack, ?, very clear,, now Allah has excused those who were harmed or hit by rain or sick not to take part of defending the believers while they perform the salat in this hostile enjoinment ?and there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms, and take your precautions;? at the end of the j day, this is what is the disbelievers will earn ? surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers.?, the Salat was mentioned again, however there was no mention to how man rakaas, nor the min number of Rakaas, neither the action of rukoo,
Rukoo doesn't need to be mentioned here because it is not the descriptive term to denote how many "units" of As-Salaat should be performed. You stated "....then when they have prostrated themselves let them go to your rear,", then when the first group finish the Salat.." The key is there for you if you will note it. When they have prostrated.....when the first group finish the Salat. This is telling you that As-Salaat is finished for this first group upon their prostration, it would have to be stretched in meaning to denote more than one prostation. Otherwise, how would you know what is shortened? If you can do 3, 4, 5, 10 or even 50 prostrations for As-Salaat, then what is the point of shortening it to say 25? How would one know what is shortened and what is normal? If 25 is normal, then how is it shortened also? The only way it can make sense is if it is two units! Therefore when you do one prostration and finish, it is shortened from two. If you have no upper limit, shortened has no real meaning.
That's why to establish "tahajjud" is not called As-Salaat. It is the same function, but it is not obligatory and therefore has no limit on the amount of prostrations because there is not need to ever shorten something that is not obligatory. It is also done alone. But this is for another topic and time.
-> Verse 103 is telling us what the believers should do after the Salat is finished, ?Then when you have finished the prayer, remember Allah standing and sitting and reclining;?, and whenever there is no danger from the disbelievers we should perform the Salat normally and without implementing the above advice in verse 102?but when you are secure (from danger) keep up prayer; surely prayer is a timed ordinance for the believers.?, the Salat was mentioned again, but there was no number of Rakaa mentioned, nor min number of rakaas neither the action of rukoo
Therefore those who say 4102 is telling us that the min number of Rakaas are 1 or 2 according to 4100-103 don?t really know what they are talking about
Salam bro
Again the key here is that you stated "whenever there is no danger from the disbelievers we should perform the Salat normally". Normally would be determined by what is being described as what is shortened. The same "Imam", in this case the Prophet, is leading the same group in two units of As-Salaat ending with prostration. If it ends with prostration, the first prostration ends it, not an arbitrary one. Therefore two "units" of As-Salaat are completed when two groups each have performed one prostration each. Maybe 3446 can add some light to this issue, if you can see the connection, insha Allah. If you are only looking for the word "rakaat" to be mentioned, then you will miss the points being made here.
And Allah knows best about " Therefore those who say 4102 is telling us that the min number of Rakaas are 1 or 2 according to 4100-103 don?t really know what they are talking about "; maybe after study you may want to reconsider this statement, insha Allah.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
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As Salaamu Alaika Brother ImamQuranonly,
Thanks a lot for your time and efforts to reply my posts.
God bless you.
Hamsa
peace
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As-Salaamu Alaika Brother RasulHamsa,
It is my pleasure brother. I look forward to our continued growth and dialogue, insha Allah.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace
As Salaamu Alaika Brother ImamQuranonly,
Thanks a lot for your time and efforts to reply my posts.
God bless you.
Hamsa
peace
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As Salaamu Alaykum
Is amazing how far one can come in a few days of study. I have to admit that for my first 16 years in Islam, even at the point of being a Quraan alone muslim, I was heavily indoctinated by the methodology of practice as contained within the ranks of the Ahlus Sunnah.
It really wasn't until only recently that I've come to the position that I have to scrap so much of their sectarian innovation and start fresh. Study al Quraan and derive my practices from the scriptures.
I'm still quite concerned with the trends I'm beginning to see within the ummah. I was speaking to ironsky a while back and he said "a Progressive Muslim is one who only adheres to the Quran in his practice. I consider myself a Progressive Muslim." That in my mind is where the danger starts, because thats how the splits we now have in the ummah started.
I've decided to back away from posting articles for the time being. I know I need more study before I post my opinions and I want to make sure I'm posting within the right frame of mind as well. I invite any muslim to start a correspondance with me at my email here.
To all I wish ALLAH Ta'Ala's peace and guidance.Sincerely,
Abdul Latif -
As-Salaamu Alaika lahri19,
As Salaamu Alaykum
Is amazing how far one can come in a few days of study. I have to admit that for my first 16 years in Islam, even at the point of being a Quraan alone muslim, I was heavily indoctinated by the methodology of practice as contained within the ranks of the Ahlus Sunnah.
It really wasn't until only recently that I've come to the position that I have to scrap so much of their sectarian innovation and start fresh. Study al Quraan and derive my practices from the scriptures.
I'm still quite concerned with the trends I'm beginning to see within the ummah. I was speaking to ironsky a while back and he said "a Progressive Muslim is one who only adheres to the Quran in his practice. I consider myself a Progressive Muslim." That in my mind is where the danger starts, because thats how the splits we now have in the ummah started.
I've decided to back away from posting articles for the time being. I know I need more study before I post my opinions and I want to make sure I'm posting within the right frame of mind as well. I invite any muslim to start a correspondance with me at my email here.
To all I wish ALLAH Ta'Ala's peace and guidance.Sincerely,
Abdul LatifI understand and respect your observation of yourself as well as your decision for what you think is best for you. I pray that Allah continues to guide and bless you towards the Siratul Mustaqeem, insha Allah. When you are ready to post again, I will look forward to reading them, Allah willing.
As-Salaamu Alaikum, peace