Muhammad Wrote the quran
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Read about 17 posts back and you'll see.
I know, I have read it, but my comment was not really directed at you, it was smartly put down directed at another member that i donlt want to discuss matters with him
do you get it?
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Peace
Then we can stop talking about what I meant about muslimeen following laws. You're the one who raised the question. Surely we can continue to discuss the issue of the literacy of the bearer of good news.
Joe
Salam
Sure
did you find the verse in the Quran that tells us conclusivly that mohammad wrote the whole Quran with his own hands?
Thanks
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Peace all,
not every believer is a Muslim
The above contradicts with 2278 which talks about all believers being muslims
2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and do good that you may succeed.
2278 And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you 'those who have submitted' (almuslimeen) from before as well as in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over the people. So honor the connection and contribute towards betterment and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.The addressees here are the believers and their being called "almuslimeen" proves that all believers are muslims.
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Peace
None of the evidence I come up with for anything is "conclusive" in my opinion because I am open to grow and not remain stagnant with an opinion. I believe the evidence I provided in the article is strong enough to make a point that the bearer of glad tidings was literate to some degree.
Joe
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Peace all,
lol, since when mate we use the hadith as evidences?
it was smartly put down directed at another member that i donlt want to discuss matters with him
This proves that the author of the above quotes lacks the ability to understand what is being said, thus proving the futility of carrying any reasonable discussion with him.
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Peace
None of the evidence I come up with for anything is "conclusive" in my opinion
Salam
We are in agreement then
The evidnece that Mohammad wrote the Quran is not conclusive and can't be fact
however do you agree that many ignorant Muslims take it as a fact?
Salam
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Yep let's turn the subject to defame Ahmed, lol, I knew it it it will happen,
well I never claimed to be master in english nor I'm spell bound
now let's get this thread back on track
where is the verse or verses in the Quran that tell us that Mohammad wrote the whole Quran with his own hands?
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Peace all,
2948 is proof that the Prophet learned how to write after the start of revelation
2948 You were not reciting any scripture before this (qablihi), nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.
The word "qablihi" in this verse is significant which means "before this revelation came." Thus al-qur'aan has put the record straight that the Prophet could read and write after the start of revelation.
The assertion that the Prophet was not writing ANY SCRIPTURE BEFORE THIS (this referring to the WHOLE QUR'AAN), proves that the Prophet wrote the WHOLE QUR'AAN with his hand, otherwise 2948 would become meaningless.
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Peace
I think people do follow shaky evidence as genuine often enough. It happens.
You told me my evidence was weak, but I'm telling you I believe it to be strong and I'll tell you why.
1- In 96/1-5 one is shown the import to read and how God teaches.
2- The word umme refers to one who is ignorant of divine precepts, not to one lacking literacy.
Joe
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Hello All
Please remember what the thread is all about, here it is highlighted
I am having a discussion with my freind who does not believe that Quran was written by Muhammad with his own hands.I already quoted him sura 25 verse 5 but still he insist on more evidence.Can any one help me find more verses from the quran or a suitable article which could help me in convincing my freind.
Thanks
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Peace Ahmed
It's not to defame you. It's to encourage patience with your lack of knowledge/command of the english language, or in this case grammar.
Joe
Thanks for your kindness, on the other hand you can correct all my grammar and english mistakes and I won't refute back
Cheers
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Peace all,
Here it is again, cuz looks like one of the posters here has difficulty reading too in addition to difficulty understanding
2948 You were not reciting any scripture before this (qablihi), nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.
The word "qablihi" in this verse is significant which means "before this revelation came." Thus al-qur'aan has put the record straight that the Prophet could read and write after the start of revelation.
The assertion that the Prophet was not writing ANY SCRIPTURE BEFORE THIS (this referring to the WHOLE QUR'AAN), proves that the Prophet wrote the WHOLE QUR'AAN with his hand, otherwise 2948 would become meaningless.
I am confident, however, that one of the posters here will completely fail to understand this point. Watch !
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Wow, this thread is really busy and we haven't even mentioned the word 'ummi' oops! too late!
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Peace all,
Let me break it down further for someone here who might have the comprehension ability of a 5th grader
From 2948
You were not reciting any scripture before this ------> indicates you (the Prophet) recited the whole Qur'aan
SIMILARLY
Nor were you writing one down by your hand ------> indicates you (the Prophet) wrote down the whole Qur'aan with your hand.
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I stand corrected! Maybe no-one else noticed however as it's a definitely a tangent-spurning issue. D