Modern Day Pork

zenje

Peace Suzanne and welcome to the forum,

I am a new Revert and as expensive as groceries are right now, especially the price of beef...I find that many cuts of pork are very affordable!
Veges are goood and cheaper than meats.http//i28.photobucket.com/albums/c236/zenje/smilies/vegi.gif

The 'gay' threads, the 'drink' threads and the pig threads... always get much love. group

PEACE

Bigmo

I think Judaism also forbids pork. Anyways its not a big deal I believe. There is some evidence that pork needs to be cooked in higher temperatures or for a longer time to eleminate bacteria or something like that.

Its no big deal I believe. Muslims are usually raised not to eat it so there is a taboo there. Its better to avoid excessive meat anyways, and pork is heavy in cholesterol.

Samia

From Lane Lexicon V2 Page 368 http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000368.pdf

The plural of Khanzir
also signifies A well-known
disease; (S ulcers, (K) or hard ulcers, (S,)
which arises in the neck (S,K) or ganglions,
or hard or nodous lumps beneath the skin, in the
neck, and in soft parts, such as the armpits; but
most frequently in the neck. (Mghl.)

As mentioned about the plural of Khaznir refer to a glandular swelling disease in animals, I would like my bros/sis who know Arabic to comment wheather the singular khanzir could also have the same meaning?

Peace all, Hamsa

Salaam Hamsa

I could not find a singular for khanzir "glandular disease that affects the neck", but most probably this is the plural of khanzar or khanzara a thick thing. Moreover, the expression is (la7mul khinzeer), literally means (meat of swine) not (swine meat) so it is an idafa construction, not noun/adjective construction. In other words, it cannot mean (filthy/contaminated/rotten...etc meat). It has to be (meat of something).

unknownuser

Salaam Hamsa

I could not find a singular for khanzir "glandular disease that affects the neck", but most probably this is the plural of khanzar or khanzara a thick thing. Moreover, the expression is (la7mul khinzeer), literally means (meat of swine) not (swine meat) so it is an idafa construction, not noun/adjective construction. In other words, it cannot mean (filthy/contaminated/rotten...etc meat). It has to be (meat of something).

salaam sis Samia,

Thanks for clarifying.

Hamsa

Alen

Since much of religion is based on superstitions and the lack of scientific proof of things, why wouldnt it be ok to eat pork in this day and age, in America for instance where there are strict regulations? Pigs raised for human consumption no longer wallow around peoples back yards eating their sewage. I'm wondering if what Muhammad knew as "swine" were even the same as the hogs raised today? I am a new Revert and as expensive as groceries are right now, especially the price of beef...I find that many cuts of pork are very affordable!

Salam.

You have to understand that the key issue here is the obediance. We must obey The Exalted GOD AllMighty. If The GOD Almighty says do not eat a pig, then just obey, simple as that.

As we all know, there are bunch of animals that are also not suppose to be eaten but people eat them. Nowhere in The Quran are we told do not eat a snake.
Why?
Because people are afraid to be within a mile of them let alone have them as a dinner.
I know, there are some people who eat snakes.

Okay, who eats crows?

GOD knows best but i think it's about the obediance.
Remember the Beginning?
Adam and his wife were given a simple command do not approach this tree.
Simple, right?

Peace.

jonny_k

Peace "lobster",

...The quran, unless Jonny is right about "khinzeer" not (only) meaning "pig", only gives us one specific thing that we shouldn't eat, and doesn't give us a (good enough) reason.
If Jonny is right, then my argument doesn't stand, of course. So, bro Jonny, where's your proof?

JK- First of all the term khinzeer in general means "contaminated" but if used like "lahm UL khinzeer", which the Quran does if i rem correctly twice as such can only mean the latter must be a noun and thus must mean "pig/swine". BUT there is one verse in the Quran where theres NO "al/ul" in between those words. Here it is
Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) any contaminated meat(lahman (NO AL) khinzeeran), for it is repugnant, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD." If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then your Lord is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Moreover one should notice that it is this verse which also details what type of blood, namely running i.e. the one which runs out and not tht which clings to the meat inside, is prohinited. Now why did GOD use this term differently in this very verse? Coinidence? After connecting the dots i dont think so. GOD Bless!