Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?
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Why you people are changing the topic? 'coz that hadith clearly refutes you people's claim that Christians didn't pray in Kaaba! Do you have any explanation of that hadith? Why the picture of Mary in the Kaaba?
who said that confused
How did they know they were Meriam and Ibrahim? Anyone saw them and can verify? Maybe she was some Isis and he was some Osiris (3uzair)?
Was Ibrahim known as one who practiced divination by arrows?folk lores! maybe???
peace
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Rajah
Sure I will take the words of Allah as Allah says it is without any ambguity, where ever you find it ambigious.
agentxxx
Who says this?
Allah says this! and I have quoted the verse
An Arabic Quran, without any ambiguity, that they may be righteous.
Agentxxx
NO ONE SHOULD BE DOGMATIC, as THE FINAL MEANING IS KNOWN TO ALLAH ALONE
.Oh! so we have a Mullah agentxxx now, a good shift, if the final meaning is known by Allah then we should leave it to Allah, what is the all fuss about, why are you and few others trying distorting historical and religous facts.
Agentxxx
Quran was revealed in Arabic for people who understood this language, but we are not discussing where quran was revealed.
We are discussing Ibrahim and the construction of the sacred mosque??..was the language of Ibrahim ?Arabic?? How does this support the construction of kaaba?
That is very important dear friend, becuase by knowing where the Quran was revealed and to whom Quran was revealed we can arrive at who built the Kaaba that is in Mecca?
Quran was revealed in Arabic and to Arabs, therefore they are the nation which has been given importance by Allah to lead the world in FUTURE weather yOU, AYMAN or anyone likes it or not!
Now we go back to the Verses I quoted above
Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.This verse clearly tells us settling of Ismail in an Uncultivable Land near Allah's house, Now if the Allah's house was the Mosque in Aqsa that is in Jerusalem and which is not uncultivable then where did ISAAC and other Prophets lived?
Infact as I wrote earlier
When prophethood was found among the descendants of Abraham (Isaac?), the Aqsa Mosque was the hub of events and the mosque of the descendants of Isaac. But when Allah removed prophethood and scripture from them, and placed it among the descendants of Ishmael, it was His will that the Prophet be born in the Sacred land itself, so that all the Arabs without exception, would know that he was a descendant of Ishmael.AGENTXXX
And yet all the prophets before Mohammad were living some where around Jerusalem?.did they not worshiping the almighty?
I THINK YOU DONOT READ the posts of opposing party, and just keep on bringing out what is in your mind from here and there. I have given you some verses from Bible indicating that they praised Allah while facing Makkah.
Secondly that is not what we are discussing it will take another long session for this, therefore let us stick to the topic.Agent xxx
I think we are discussing the name of a PLACE and not Allah and his messengers or a building.
Come on you are just clutching the straws now.
Agent Xxx
Yes you may have answered five questions?but are they ration answers??..NO
Well that is not for you to decide. I would loved to be engaged with Tanveer on this topic but due to some unknown reasons he did not responded and you were only one who kept on posting, therefore you were the only choice. What I am posting here despite lack of time is just to give the other side view of the coin.
And YEs by calling Quran Ambigious I think you just ended up being a Hypocrite (sorry to say)
the Ayat 37 saysHe is the One who sent down to you the scripture, from which there are law giving verses; they are the essence of the Scripture; and others which seem similar to each other. As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what seems similar of it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God and those who are well founded in knowledge. They say "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except the people of understanding.
In its narrow meaning, "mutashabih" refers to all verses which can be understood in more than one ways. This includes all kind of allegories. The various meaning or implication of the same words require some qualities in the audience attentive mind, positive attitude, contextual perspective, and patience for research
The intention of those who try to understand the multiple-meaning verses is important. With the disease in their hearts, they try to confuse others by focusing on multiple meaning verses. Since only sincere believers possess the quality to understand the Quran (1746; 1857; 5417), hypocrites will not be able to find the true meaning of multiple-meaning words.
In order to believe in all the verses of the Quran, one does not need to be deeply rooted in knowledge. To be a "believer" is a sufficient condition to beleive all the verses. However, one needs to have deep knowledge of the Quran in order to understand "mutashabih" (multiple meaning) verses accurately. Therefore, 37 mentions a narrow category (those who deeply rooted in knowledge) in relation with those multiple meaning verses.
You have denied the word of ALLAH on various occassions like ayman for example here
RajahWhere is the House of Allah located??
Agentxxx
If I knew positively where it was?.I wouldn?t be discussing it.
So my answer is ?It could be anywhere?.But ALLah says it is
Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.
So the Allah's house is near to
an uncultivable Valley and NOT ANY WHERE. according to Quran.Next I will expose your Family tree regarding Muhammad.
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They may have been good in memorizing and repeating the family tree ???..but they were definitely not good at remembering the massage of their ancestor IBRAHIM, and in only 30 generation they changed from worshiping ?Allah alone? to worshiping ?365 idols?.
and why cant these idol worshipers lie about the origin of mecca....which was their only source of economy?According to ibn Ishak there is a gap of only 50 generations between Adam and Mohammad
is this the type of historical evidence you support bro?
I don't know what exactly do you call evidence? as you have shown in your previous posts, No evidence that opposes your thoughts is evidence.
In Most of the family trees only the important personalities are some time listed and rest are edited. But your family tree is erraneous and don't know what is your source for that.
From Muhammad to Adnan (21)
the son of ABD ALLAH,
son of ABD-UL-MUTTALIB,
son of HASHIM,
son of Abdu Manaf,
son of Qusay,
son of Kilab,
son of Hakeem,
son of Kaab,
son of Luayy,
son of Ghalib,
son of Fihr,
son of Malik,
son of Qays,
son of Kinanah,
son of Khuzaymah,
son of Mudrikah,
son of Ilyas,
son of Mudhar,
son of Nizar,
son of Maad,
son of Adnan,from Adnan to Keedar it is (39) generations
Udd
Hamseeah
Salaman
Aus
Boz
Qamwaal
Ubi
Awam
Nashid
Hiza
Baldaas
Yadlaaf
Tanj
Jahem
Nahish
MaKhi
Aifi
Abqar
Ubaid
Aldua
Hamdaan
Sunber
Yasrabi
Yahzan
Yalhan
Arouway
Deshaan
Aiser
Iqnaad
Ibhaam
Muqsir
Nahis
Zarh
Sami
Muzi
Auwiz
Araam
KeedarThus making it 60 and we are more concerned up to here and then from Ismail to Adam 20 more as is in Bible thus making the total 80 generations.
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The mobile reference was not funny, it was rational reference to know how otherwise ishaq could have communicated with Ismail who was living 1000 km from him?..you avoided answering it by simply calling it ?funny question?.
Rational reference brickwall
There could have been many possibilities
- ISmail and ISaac were both beloved of Allah they could have informed through "WAHI".
- They could have communicated with each other through Telepathy.
- They could have preserved the dead body, I mentioned Mummies of egypt no rotting, so there were chances that Isaac and his man may have known how to preserve the dead body of Abraham and then ISmail after a period had arrived at the scene.
So there could be more than one, but of using mobile phone is just mocking, the powers of Allah and his prophets.
Infact you made joke of the Prophets of Allah.
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Further exposing Agentxxx
Mount puran in kharian was meant to be funny as a response to your funny interpretation of mount paran in Mecca???if ?mount paran in kharian? can be funny for you then why cant ?mount paran in Mecca? can be funny for someone else???..when both these interpretations are based on assumption
Mount Paran being in Arabia is not based on assumption but on some resarchers comments as I posted. But If you can present a single comment, work, research that places Mt.Paran in Kharian, I might consider you to be a serious contender for discussing what we are discussing, other wise your grading will further deteriorate in our eyes. I give you one whole week for this.
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Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House, our Lord! that they may establish proper worship; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them, and provide Thou them with fruits in order that they may be thankful.
One of the driest and hottest countries of the world, ninety percent of Arabia is made up of barren desert. The geological and physical features of the land along with its climatic conditions have kept its population, in the days gone by and also in the present time, to the minimum and hindered the flowering of large civilizations and empires.
Ibrahim had implored the Lord to bless his descendants with his own spirit of struggle against the evil of pantheism and iconolatry. He wanted his heirs to carry into their thoughts how he had to strive all his life for the sake of Truth and Faith; how he had to bid farewell to his hearth and home; realize why he had incurred the wrath of his idolatrous father; and appreciate the wisdom behind his making a selection of that valley, unbelievably bare with no scrap of soil, sheer from top to bottom and jagged and sharp for their habitation. He wanted them to understand why he had preferred that wilderness, holding no prospects of progress and civilization, over verdant lands and flourishing towns and centers of trade, arts and commerce where one could easily meet one's wishes
The main reason for the advent of the last Prophet in Arabia was the Ka'ba, the House of God, built by Abraham and Ishmael as the center for worship of One God.
"Lo ! the first Sanctuary/house/shrine appointed for mankind was that at Becca , a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples."
Most of the old translators of the Bible gave this word the meaning of 'a valley of weeping', but better sense seems to have prevailed later on. According to more recent of the Biblical scholars, the word 'signifies rather any valley lacking water, and 'the Psalmist apparently has in mind a -particular valley whose natural condition led him to adopt that name. Now, this waterless valley, which can easily be identified with the valley of Makkah, has been thus mentioned in the Book of Psalms.
"Blessed art they that dwell in Your house; they will still be praising thee Selah. Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; In whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well."
Abraham and Ismail prayed to Allah while laying down the foundation of KAABA that is in MAKKAH
"Our Lord! And raise up unto them an Messenger from among them, who shall recite unto them Your revelations, and shall teach them the Book and wisdom, and shall cleanse them. Verily You! You art the Mighty, the Wise."And the Mighty and Wise answered their prayers by sending "MUHAMMAD" to them.
History of Syria by Philip K. Hitti who writes about the religion of Nabataean kingdoms
"At the head of the pantheon stood Dushara (dhu-al-Shara, Dusara), a sun deity worshipped under the form of anobelisk or an unknown four-cornered black stone.... Associated with Dushara was Al-Lat, chief goddess of Arabia. Other Nabataean goddesses cited in the inscriptions were Manat and al-'Uzza, of Koranic fame, Hubal also figures in the inscriptions."
This clearly indicates that Quranic Kaaba is the same that is in Makkah because these above named dieties were to be found only in Makkah.
Another writer, De Lacy O'Leary, tracing the influences responsible for introduction of idol worship in the Arabian Peninsula sums up his findings in the "Arabia before Muhammed" in these words
"It seems fairly safe therefore to understand that the use of images was an instance of Syro-Hellenistic culture which had come down the trade-route; it was a recent introduction in Makkah in the time of the Prophet and was probably unknown to the Arab community at large."
Allah ho Akbar.
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Raj-ah
Why do you feel you need to intimidate members of this board with your scholastic "expertise"?
Your name calling does not befit a believer either, and do not think that appending Allaho Akbar at the end of each of your "enlightened" conclusions is going to add to the credibility of your explanations.
In fact there is no mention of Allaho Akbar in The Quran, let alone that it be used when someone is religiously "extatic", plus it associates you with certain (violent) groups who are not doing Islam's reputation any good, in fact Allah is fighting them day and night for their extremism...
Peace
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For those who are jealous from Allah ho Akbar
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RasulHamsa, what is your damage,
flashing some beautiful fonts writing Allaho Akbar does not mean anything.
Show a single Ayat in The Quran where Allah uses Allaho Akbar...
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PeacePS I am not saying not to use it, Allah is Grater indeed of any and everything, just not use Allah's name in vain on what are after all interpretations!!!
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Peace bro agentxxx,
I think this verse is interesting to understand what does it mean that "no warner has come to us/them".....what do you think about this
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O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you, to explain things to you, after a period of time without messengers, lest you say, "We did not receive any preacher or warner." A preacher and warner has now come to you. GOD is Omnipotent.
Salaams
peace
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RasulHamsa, what is your damage,
flashing some beautiful fonts writing Allaho Akbar does not mean anything.
Show a single Ayat in The Quran where Allah uses Allaho Akbar...
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PeacePS I am not saying not to use it, Allah is Grater indeed of any and everything, just not use Allah's name in vain on what are after all interpretations!!!
I agree with you brother, I just liked that calligraphy very much...
peace
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Peace Raj-ah
Raj-ah This clearly indicates that Quranic Kaaba is the same that is in Makkah because these above named dieties were to be found only in Makkah.
The Nabataean pantheon mentioned above were worshipped in temples all over the Nabataean kingdom. Petra was the central city of the Nabataean Kingdom.
You mentioned in a previous post Qiblah is Kaaba and then Mecca. The Quraan says it is Masjidul Haram. Even then there is no mention of Salat in verses 2140 to 152 the principle verses on this subject of qiblah . The verses never say turn towards or face Masjidal Haram (or Kaaaba or mecca, according to you) for the salat. I find a mix up of Kaaba, House and Masjid ul Haram by you and by many of the traditional explanations.
Tanveer in correct in insisting it is not ?raise the foundation of the house? but ?raise the foundation from the house? in the verse.
The ?bakkata? and ?makkata? are not the same. ( I have read all you explanations on this)
There is no mention in the Quraan that the ?House? or Al Masjidal Haram is in mecca and that mecca is a city in S.A. Also the word makkata in the verse is debatable.
There is no connection in the Quraan between the ?House? and ?Al Masjid Al Haram?.
Mecca is not the only uncultivated valley. The ?House? was in the same ?uncultivable valley? or the ?uncultivable valley? was near the House?
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Raj-ah
Why do you feel you need to intimidate members of this board with your scholastic "expertise"?
Your name calling does not befit a believer either, and do not think that appending Allaho Akbar at the end of each of your "enlightened" conclusions is going to add to the credibility of your explanations.
In fact there is no mention of Allaho Akbar in The Quran, let alone that it be used when someone is religiously "extatic", plus it associates you with certain (violent) groups who are not doing Islam's reputation any good, in fact Allah is fighting them day and night for their extremism...
Peace
NobleWhat is the best example of hypocricy that could be find is in your above paragraph.
Accusing me of intimidating members of the board and name calling, and them doing the same. Well done hailYour being allergic to Allah Ho Akbar can be understood, from your previous posts, If in english I say Allah is Great, you seem to have no problem but if I say Allah Ho Akbar in Arabic all sorts of problems seem to arise for you, but it is not you who I have to please IT IS ALLAH and
Allah Ho Akbar being associated with violent group theory is just Pathetic as your whole post is.ALLAH HO AKBAR!
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You mentioned in a previous post Qiblah is Kaaba and then Mecca. The Quraan says it is Masjidul Haram. Even then there is no mention of Salat in verses 2140 to 152 the principle verses on this subject of qiblah . The verses never say turn towards or face Masjidal Haram (or Kaaaba or mecca, according to you) for the salat. I find a mix up of Kaaba, House and Masjid ul Haram by you and by many of the traditional explanations.
Yes I mentioned that Kaaba is the Qibla for Muslims
We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."
Offcourse it pleases Muhammad that Kaaba which is in Makkah and which is also his birth place to be focal point for all the Muslims and which was built by his ancestors. This is just natrual.
Masjid _ul- haram is around Kaaba. The mosque was built around the original Kaaba.
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Salaam Rajah
The verse you mentioned does not have Kaaba or House in it. It says Al Masjid al Haram.
I will not translate it as ?sacred mosque?.Does the Quraan tell that the ground/land around the cubic stone structure in Mecca is the al masjid al haram. The mosque area around this cube has been expanding many folds from its original position for many years acquiring the buildings, houses and hotels in the neighborhood. Do you think all this increased expanded area will constitute al masid al Haram. Also that we should stand facing to all this expanded area whenever and wherever we are doing salat ? When the Quraan does not say face the Kaaba why should we face it during salat or at any other time?
Your opinion which is the traditional one has too many contradictions to the Quraan.
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peace rajah,
rajah- And YEs BY CALLING QURAN AMBIGIOUS I think you just ended up BEING A HYPOCRITE (sorry to say)
the Ayat 37 saysLet's see the reality
you wrote
RAJAH-Instead of providing any proof/evidence that goes in your favor You again started asking me questions? ignoring all the Historical evidences I provided.my reply was
AGENT- Historical Evidences? AMBIGUOUS VERSES are not historical evidences bro, they are interpretations based on assumptions.you wrote
RAJAH- WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AMBIGUOUS VERSES?? and all those researchers research work is just a crap which i noted??Hail to you then!!!!
Now you have changed ambiguous verses to ambiguous Quran?
Rajah Sahib what would you call someone who falsely accuse others by misquoting what they had ACTUALLY said?
You also misquoted sis samia on page22?her response was?. Now do not misquote me.And now you misquote me and on that basis declared me a HYPOCRITE bravo ?.do I care ?.absolutely not, because Allah says
Have you not considered those who attribute purity to themselves? Nay, Allah purifies whom He pleases; and they shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone. 449.
Invite to the Way of thy Lord WITH WISDOM and beautiful preaching; and ARGUE WITH THEM IN WAYS THAT ARE BEST and MOST GRACIOUS for THY LORD KNOWS BEST, WHO HAVE STRAYED FROM HIS PATH, and WHO RECEIVE GUIDANCE. 16125.
rajah-In its narrow meaning, "mutashabih" refers to all verses which can be understood in more than one ways. This includes all kind of allegories. The various meaning or implication of the same words require SOME QUALITIES IN THE AUDIENCE ATTENTIVE MIND, POSITIVE ATTITUDE, CONTEXTUAL PERSPECTIVE, and PATIENCE FOR RESEARCH
QUALITIES IN THE AUDIENCE ATTENTIVE MIND
The above misquotes are a good example of ?Qualities/attentive mind.
THE QUALITIES TO MISQUOTE AND PASS A FATWA without any authority.POSITIVE ATTITUDE
Not even once in all you posts have you addressed anyone with peace salutations.
Please don?t tell me that positive attitude means accusing others of straying away from the straight path as conceived by you.CONTEXTUAL PERSPECTIVE.
Based on traditions/ambiguity/assumptions.PATIENCE FOR RESEARCH
Research as above....Patience?? confusedRajah-The intention of those who try to understand the multiple-meaning verses is important. WITH THE DISEASE IN THEIR HEARTS, THEY TRY TO CONFUSE OTHERS BY FOCUSING ON MULTIPLE MEANING VERSES.
That is what you are trying to do bro by focusing on multiple meaning verses instead of fundamental verses that are foundation of alkitab.
He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book 3 7.
Rajah-Since only sincere believers possess the quality to understand the Quran (1746; 1857; 5417), hypocrites will not be able to find the true meaning of multiple-meaning words.
Sincere believers?..that is an argument presented by those who can?t convince others by logic and clear Quranic verses so in the end they blame it on the sincerity of the other person?s belief, rather then blaming themselves for the lack of clear evidence/proofs to convince others
Only sincere believers can discover the importance of passing through the BAHISHTI DARWAZA at pakpattan to SANCTIFY.
Only sincere believers can understand the holiness and advantages of visiting the 1000s of shrines in the subcontinents, Arab world, Iran??..what a convenient answer. SINCERE BELIEVER??.it is only for the lord of the Day of Judgment to decide who is a sincere believer
And you quote 1746, 1857, 5417 out of context to validate you statement.
When thou dost recite the Qur'an, We put, between thee and those WHO BELIEVE NOT IN THE HEREAFTER, a veil invisible 1745.
And We put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should UNDERSTAND THE QUR'AN, and deafness into their ears WHEN THOU DOST COMMEMORATE THY LORD AND HIM ALONE IN THE QUR'AN, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the Truth). 1746Where in this verse does Allah says that the hypocrites will not be able to find the true meaning of multiple-meaning words.
This verse is talking about QURAN and ALLAH and not about the ambiguous verses or kaaba.
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Peace Rajah,
Rajah- To be a "believer" is a sufficient condition to beleive all the verses. However, one needs to have deep knowledge of the Quran in order to understand "mutashabih" (multiple meaning) verses accurately.
Therefore, 37 mentions a narrow category (those who deeply rooted in knowledge) in relation with those multiple meaning verses.I can see this deep rooted knowledge of presenting ambiguous verses of narrow category, so conveniently used by you as a support my dear Rajah sahib.
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NO ONE SHOULD BE DOGMATIC, as THE FINAL MEANING IS KNOWN TO ALLAH ALONErajah-Oh! so we have a Mullah agentxxx now, a good shift, if the final meaning is known by Allah then we should leave it to Allah, what is the all fuss about, why are you and few others trying distorting historical and religous facts.
This was the commentary of YOUSAF ALI on verse 37?.not my comments and I agree with it.
And follow the best that has been revealed to you from your Lord before there comes to you the punishment all of a sudden while you do not even perceive; 3955.
The best in 3955 is not the ambiguous verses but the one which are fundamental.
*He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book 3 7.
*and others are ALLEGORICAL
*then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it WHICH IS ALLEGORICAL, seeking to mislead and SEEKING TO GIVE IT (THEIR OWN) INTERPRETATION.
*But none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge. 3 7.The verse says NONE KNOWS ITS INTERPRETATION EXCEPT ALLAH.
and THOSE WHO ARE FIRMLY ROOTED IN KNOWLEDGE.Who are these people who are firmly rooted in knowledge?
Are you???.for many you might qualify but others will disagree?for some even I might qualify for this category, but I am not and a lot of people will disagree?A Sunni will always find a Sunni scholar, a shia will find a shia scholar only qualifying for this category?..so again it one?s own understanding and perspective that can never be 100% right.So in fact only Allah knows the true meanings of these ambiguous verses.
- Supremely exalted is therefore Allah, the King, the Truth, and do not make haste with the Quran before its revelation is made complete to you and say O MY LORD ! INCREASE ME IN KNOWLEDGE.
Even prophet Mohammad is advised to pray for increase in knowledge.
Rajah- That is very important dear friend, becuase by knowing where the Quran was revealed and to whom Quran was revealed we can arrive at who built the Kaaba that is in Mecca?
Oh thank you for calling me dear friend probably for the first time in this thread yay.
rajah- Quran was revealed in Arabic and to Arabs, THEREFORE THEY ARE THE NATION WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN IMPORTANCE BY ALLAH TO LEAD THE WORLD IN FUTURE weather yOU, AYMAN or anyone likes it or not!
Again you make claims that you don?t have any evidence from quran to support.
O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! THE NOBLEST OF YOU, IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH, IS THE BEST IN CONDUCT. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware. 4913.
THE LAST SERMON OF PROPHET
O People! Your Sustainer Lord is One and your ancestry is common. No black is superior to a white, and no white is superior to a black, and no Arab is better than a non-Arab and no non-Arab is better than an Arab. Honor is the birthright of every human being. The only criterion of superiority amongst you is nothing but good conduct.The only reason why it was reveled in Arabic
14 4. And We did not send any messenger BUT WITH THE LANGUAGE OF HIS PEOPLE, so that he might explain to them clearly; then Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.With apology from all Arab brothers ??? what way are they qualified to lead the world in future and who??.bin laden?
If any Arab or anyone in the world stands for humanity ?I will support him?but my hero?s lives in the geographic boundaries of Pakistan and not in Arabia.
http//i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/nabpeace/gif%20files/Pakistan.gifRajah-I THINK YOU DONOT READ the posts of opposing party, and just keep on bringing out what is in your mind from here and there.
You have the right to think what ever suits you
Tell me bro why is that what I post is from "here and there" but what you post is "the divine law" hailrajah- I have given you some verses from Bible indicating that they praised Allah while facing Makkah.
Makkah????????? just your own interpretation and the understanding of the verses of bible
What about the verses I posted? Were they not from Quran and bible?
Anyway the Muslims returned this good gesture by initially praying towards Jerusalem. handshakerajah-Come on you are just clutching the straws now.
You said the same to sis samia too?.your favorite quote maybe ;D
Rajah to sis samia -From experience I have learnt that when arguments become weak, we try to pull out straws,Agent Xxx- Yes you may have answered five questions?but are they ration answers??..NO
Rajah-Right-Well that is not for you to decide.
Ok agreed, it should be for the others to decide.
Rajah- I would loved to be engaged with Tanveer on this topic but due to some unknown reasons he did not responded
He is a wise guy and I should have learned from him that there is no point in discussion with those who are so damn sure that only they are the one?s who know every thing and only they are the one?s on the right path.
Rajah- therefore you were the only choice.
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Rajah-You have denied the word of ALLAH on various occassions like ayman
not the world of "ALLAH" but your interpretations of the words of Allah
If I am wrong in my concept, I will be answerable to the lord for that and not you.Say You will not be questioned as to what we are guilty of, nor shall we be questioned as to what you do. 3425.
Say Our Lord will gather us together, then will He judge between us with the truth; and He is the greatest Judge, the All-knowing. 3426.rajah- for example here
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Where is the House of Allah located??Agentxxx
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If I knew positively where it was?.I wouldn?t be discussing it.
So my answer is ?It could be anywhere?.The term ?God?s House? or baytul-lah does not exist anywhere in the Quran. If this idea is so central to the Muslims, how is it that it escapes mention in the Quran.
And God, the Lord of the Universe doesn?t live in a tiny 627 square foot hollow rock cube in Mecca.
peace
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Chaand roshan chamakta sitara rahey
sab say uncha ye jhanda humara rahey
jab talak jan main jan hey ye lahraey ga
daikh laina ye dunya pay chaa jaye ga...Sorry guys, to see my flag I go emotional....