Who built the kaaba that is in Mecca?
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Before I give you any other refrences, let us see what are the sources of Dr.JZ
Following is the actual interviewNOVA Are you still confident that you found Ubar?
JZ There's a lot of confusion about that word. If you look at the classical texts and the Arab historical sources, Ubar refers to a region and a group of people, not to a specific town
OPF don'y be Childish! do you actually understand what above paragraph is saying?
Do you started believing in Arab historical sources, If Yes? then Thanks Allah the Puzzle is solved, The Bayt in MAkkah is the real BAYT. Case Closed.
But if NO? thenThe Qur'an says that Irum was a city inhabited by the tribe of 'Ad. Arabic tradition holds that the tribe of 'Ad were the great-grandchildren of Noah; the Quran, however, does not maintain this. It was a rich and decadent city, filled with wicked people who dabbled in the occult
Have you noted what your Lord did to `d?
The people are Ad
Of the (city of) Iram, with lofty pillarsQuran clearly tells us thatfrom the city/place of Irum
The like of which were not created in the (other) cities
who built buildings as no where else.
Example
The Americans of New York, build buildings like no other city has ever build.This means Americans are group of people and the city/place where they build these buildings is New York.
Please see this detailed article about the city from National Geographic Magazine, which says that the name of the city was mentioned in inscriptions.
So even if Ubar is the name of region/city/place where buildings were built, Quran exactly mentions that Name.
The first fallacy is assuming that "classical Arab historical sources" and "classical texts" are the same "classical Arab historical sources" and "classical texts" that define Makka to be the house of Allah. Now, "Classical Arab historical sources" is evidently a physical construct, because unless the author was poorly versed in English, that's the only thing it can mean when contrasted with "classical texts".
The second fallacy is assuming I disregard "classical texts" wholesale - I don't. You have the wrong person. It's true that I disregard certain unreliable, word-of-mouth "classical texts", however.
The third fallacy is writing your own source. In this case, you cite the Quran, and conveniently place in brackets "(city of)". No, that doesn't work. Unless the verse specifically says "city of", you, or any "prominent scholar" have no authority to place "city of" in brackets. Don't write God's book with your own hands.
Anyway, enough diiversion from the original argument.
The predominant Sunni school of thought is that it's better to be safe than sorry. For instance, we go from "forbidden to you is adultery" to "When a man and woman are together alone, the third with them is Shaitan" (I seem to remember some story about Aisha being alone and a great scandal, according to "classical texts", care to reflect on that?), and "A woman wearing perfume is a whore".
Hence, God telling us "A foundation of piety is better than a foundation of crumbly sand" (NOTE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN PHYSICAL AND MENTAL/SPIRITUAL), can therefore, with the same logic, translate to "Mecca is a city of evil, stand not therein, it is better that you pay pilgrimage to a house of which the foundations are based on piety".
Even without the "classical text" thought, that would still stand because of the contrast between physical and spiritual made quite clearly in that verse.
The 'Ad did not die simply from the collapse of a water source
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YUSUFALI But (Pharaoh) turned back with his Chiefs, and said, "A sorcerer, or one possessed!"
PICKTHAL But he withdrew (confiding) in his might, and said A wizard or a madman.
SHAKIR But he turned away with his forces and said A magician or a mad man.051.040
YUSUFALI So We took him and his forces, and threw them into the sea; and his was the blame.
PICKTHAL So We seized him and his hosts and flung them in the sea, for he was reprobate.
SHAKIR So We seized him and his hosts and hurled them into the sea and he was blamable.051.041
YUSUFALI And in the 'Ad (people) (was another Sign) Behold, We sent against them the devastating Wind
PICKTHAL And in (the tribe of) A'ad (there is a portent) when we sent the fatal wind against them.
SHAKIR And in Ad When We sent upon them the destructive wind.051.042
YUSUFALI It left nothing whatever that it came up against, but reduced it to ruin and rottenness.
PICKTHAL It spared naught that it reached, but made it (all) as dust.
SHAKIR It did not leave aught on which it blew, but it made it like ashes.051.043
YUSUFALI And in the Thamud (was another Sign) Behold, they were told, "Enjoy (your brief day) for a little while!"
PICKTHAL And in (the tribe of) Thamud (there is a portent) when it was told them Take your ease awhile.
SHAKIR And in Samood When it was said to them Enjoy yourselves for a while.051.044
YUSUFALI But they insolently defied the Command of their Lord So the stunning noise (of an earthquake) seized them, even while they were looking on.
PICKTHAL But they rebelled against their Lord's decree, and so the thunderbolt overtook them even while they gazed;
SHAKIR But they revolted against the commandment of their Lord, so the rumbling overtook them while they saw.051.045
YUSUFALI Then they could not even stand (on their feet), nor could they help themselves.
PICKTHAL And they were unable to rise up, nor could they help themselves.
SHAKIR So they were not able to rise up, nor could they defend themselves-Physics question for you, Rajah. Can a house built on mud withstand 500kmh winds and still stay standing? Or to rephrase, do the mud huts in the satellite pictures look as if they've been slapped around by hurricane force winds, or do they look as if they've been left to rot for several thousand years, similarly to the Greek cities?
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Salaam Rajah
My statements you quoted are not mutually exclusive. Also you can add the following statement to the list
?I thank Allah for giving me the strength to make sincere effort to choose fact from fiction, truth from false hood and also I thank my Lord for giving me the strength to be strong enough to question hearsay and established ideas and practices and not to follow them blindly even though the majority supports it.?
This statement is much better and rational then your previous statements. Even though you donot seem to follow what you just said.
C?mon Rajah, this is unforgivably stupid even by your standards. You have not answered any of my questions in all the previous posts but you have started making faces at me as a last resort.
Before you call any one stupid just take a look at yourself first! It is hard to digest when a person who has posted most irrational and substandard posts when compared with others calls anyone stupid. Last resort? what the hell you are talking about?
About reading other literature on a subject specifically on the Quran I do oppose that someone should not read or gain knowledge from other sources. I reject when someone tries to establish an explanation on the Quraan based purely on an outside source. For instance when you say Mecca is Bakka since according to Britannica it is such. God does not rely on Britannica to explain what He did not explain in His book.
Now this is stupidity
I never said that Mecca is Becca because Britannica said it, I quoted a reference, about which you said the followingWarner
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For those who are blind and led astray by the shaitan they can not see or understand the book of Allah. They will defend their falsehood using Britannica or any source. And devil will help them and protect their sources and Allah will protect His messageAnd you are not even ashamed of it.
I have not used the articles I posted as a support for any view. The articles raise questions and highlights contradictions.
Whenever you quote an article, reference which supports your view, it means automatically that supports your view. Don't try to play.
I suggest you answer the contradiction highlighted by me and in the articles without being evasive.
Yes! I will try to.
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Samia
Even though I said honestly I never heard of them?
With the anology you draw for this mosque and the three above examples, I understand that it is eiter actually there so I may visit it and see it, or there is archeological evidence that proves its existence; did I correctly understand you?Well; i felt that some one knowldge able like you cannot be unaware of these two mosques I mentioned.
Mosque Quba is still there
It was built When the Prophet emigrated to Medina, he first landed at BaniAmr binAwf and stayed in Quba for three days. So he built a mosque there, hence the first mosque built in Medina.
The distance from the Prophet`s Mosque to Quba Mosque (Masjid Qubaa) is 3.25 Kilometers.
You can visit it any time.The second Mosque we are talking about which is been mentioned in the above verses was widely known as Mosque of Hypocrites and was destroyed by prophet.
Verses 107-110 refer to a mosque which had been constructed by some members of the Banu Ghanam tribe. It was alleged that rather than using this mosque for Islam, these men were using it as a sort of speak-easy where they conspired against Muhammad.Quote
You like many ignorants of Quran Alone sect think that "Allah" shared with some Arabs of the Muhammad's time a consipiracy against "Allah".How is this related to my question? And what does it mean anyway?
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Peace Rajah,
Rajah, if you are going to ask for something that requires me spending some of my time to do a search on your behalf and get you the info on a golden platter, then you should at least be nice about it.
At any rate, as I said, you have to go about 4 years back
http//groups.google.com/group/soc.religion.islam/browse_frm/thread/75aae4a889a0c494/
In the course of the debate, we discussed Hadiths about "qiblah"/target. As you can see, Mr. Saifullah was defending Hadiths that say that when we defecate or urinate we should not face the so-called Qiblah but face the east or the west. Those Hadiths clearly make fun of the god and of passages such as 2115 that say "to the god belongs the east and the west". Of course, Mr. Saifullah was too busy defending his hearsay with more hearsay and didn't care about the content or validating it against the great reading. It is a waste of time to continue a debate when it is clear that the opponent doesn't even care about what the god is saying.
I just don't understand why did you posted this link? First of all this debate is regarding HAdith, secondly it clearly tells us your lack of knowldge regarding Hadith stuff.
The nonsensical Hadith that Mr. Saifullah was defending is about facing the east or the west while defecating or urinating and not the "qiblah"/target. Of course, "qiblah" is the main point of this discussion. You claim that "qiblah" is a pagan stone cube while the great reading tells us that our target is the truth from our lord.
Unfortuntely, Saifullah and Rajah are so blinded by the logical fallacy of appeal to authority of the easily manufactured Hadiths and their chains of transmission that they forget to notice that the content is idiotic and is actually making fun of passages such as 2115 which tell us that "to the god belongs the east and the west".
Who suffers from lack of knowledge? Is it idiots who defend a Hadith that is sneakly making fun of the word of the god and urinate and defecate while facing the east and the west or is it those who expose the fact that this is absurd? Saifullah and Rajah can hapily defecate and urinate while facing the east and west but they shouldn't claim that this "Hadith stuff" has anything to do with real knowledge.
This is why the above comment from Rajah examplifies everything that is wrong with Sunni dogma and its inherently blind followers.
C'mon Rajah, do you really expect to come here and convince people of anything using what you claim to be logic when you defecate and urinate while facing the east and the west? I think that you need to start by being logical yourself so that you can be credible.
Peace,
Ayman
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Samia
Well; i felt that some one knowldge able like you cannot be unaware of these two mosques I mentioned.Mosque Quba is still there
It was built When the Prophet emigrated to Medina, he first landed at BaniAmr binAwf and stayed in Quba for three days. So he built a mosque there, hence the first mosque built in Medina.
The distance from the Prophet`s Mosque to Quba Mosque (Masjid Qubaa) is 3.25 Kilometers.
You can visit it any time.The second Mosque we are talking about which is been mentioned in the above verses was widely known as Mosque of Hypocrites and was destroyed by prophet.
Verses 107-110 refer to a mosque which had been constructed by some members of the Banu Ghanam tribe. It was alleged that rather than using this mosque for Islam, these men were using it as a sort of speak-easy where they conspired against Muhammad.009.107
YUSUFALI And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But Allah doth declare that they are certainly liars.
PICKTHAL And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars.
SHAKIR And those who built a masjid to cause harm and for unbelief and to cause disunion among the believers and an ambush to him who made war against Allah and His Messenger before; and they will certainly swear We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars.Original
Salaam Raj-ah
So, this is your "zarar" mosque? rotfl This is even worse than Makkah = faarraan
- I wasted much time searching for - - and of course came up with nothing (other than "button". In my wildest dreams I never imagined that this is what you meant. Why isn't it called "zirar wa kufr" ? (it's pronounced DHirar not Dharar).
And it has been destroyed by the prophet! How convenient It's not there to see, LOL. Any ruins? I don't think so.
All this manipulation to tie the verse to some narrow interpretation/aka misinterpretation? That's one of the meaning of (they took/treated the quraan mahjooan)/tie it to a narrow mind).
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Another time wasted looking for Quba mosque (searching for Dome mosque in English, too, since quba/qubba = dome), so I found that you meant "Qibaa '" no Quba. I know qibaa yay
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Qibaa' is the prophet's mosque, the first mosque built in Yathreb. The one which is 2.5-5 km away from it is what's called (the mosques with two "qiblas" and was not constructed by the prophet, but allegedly constructed during his life.
- I wasted much time searching for - - and of course came up with nothing (other than "button". In my wildest dreams I never imagined that this is what you meant. Why isn't it called "zirar wa kufr" ? (it's pronounced DHirar not Dharar).
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So the CAT comes out of the bag as I corrcetly assumed.
Samia
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Another time wasted looking for Quba mosque (searching for Dome mosque in English, too, since quba/qubba = dome), so I found that you meant "Qibaa '" no Quba. I know qibaa
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Qibaa' is the prohet's mosque, the first mosque built in Yathreb. The one which is 2.5-5 km away from it is what's called (the mosques with two "qiblas" and was not constructed by the prophet, but allegedly constructed during his life.
I don't know from where the information is flowing unto you? and why are you wasting your time on some thing which is very clear.
Masjid Quba
It is about two miles south-west from Masjid-an Nabawi. This is the very first mosque of the muslims. The Prophet Muhammad and his companions built it with their own hands. This is the first mosque in the history of Islam whose foundation stone was laid down by Prophet Muhammad himself on his migration to MadinahQuba Mosque
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation, searchMasjid Al-QubaThe Quba Mosque (Quba' Masjid or Masjid al-Quba, Arabic ء just outside Medina, Saudi Arabia, is the first Islamic mosque ever built and the National mosque of Saudi Arabia. Its first stones were positioned by the prophet Muhammad on his emigration from the city of Mecca to Medina
So you can be happy with your Qibba and
So, this is your "zarar" mosque? This is even worse than Makkah = faarraan
whatever you like, My duty is just to present what I feel is truth, according To ALLAH's word.
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In one of his letters Abu 'Amir wrote to his friends
"Construct a mosque in the village of Quba' opposite the mosque of the Muslims. Assemble there at the time of prayers and on the pretext of offering prayers, discuss and chalk out plans against Islam and the Muslims".
Like the present day enemies of Islam Abu 'Amir had also realized that in a country in which religion is fully established, the best way to destroy it, is to use the name of religion itself, and religion can be harmed more by using its own name rather than by any other factor. He knew fully well that the Prophet would not permit the hypocrites to build a centre for themselves under any circumstances, except when they gave that centre a religious tinge and erected a meeting-place for themselves with the name of a mosque.
I quoted above pargraph because it actualy tallies very much with hypocrites of today. Today you can see that the Plans/hypothesis/third rated attacks on Muhammad, which were never allowed to or listned to or given any weightage to when it came from Non Muslims are being at least listened, because it comes from some who call themselves Muslims but actually they are against the Unity of Muslims, by heart they want to shift the "Bayt" to the place which is ruled by Zionits, forthe purpose they distort the meanings of Quran and the actual Message, they reject all the historical sources and call others followers of Shitaan.
Allah Ho Akbar, Allah has warned us about them in his Great reading centuries ago.
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Salaam Raj-ah
So the CAT comes out of the bag as I corrcetly assumed.
Never take me for granted on a discussion board
I don't know from where the information is flowing unto you? and why are you wasting your time on some thing which is very clear.
Where else other than from Sheik Google (quoting Bigmo)! I searched Arabic sites as well, including the site of (al madina almunawwara) and (mosques of almadina), as well as wiki and many other English and Arabic sites.
So you can be happy with your Qibba and
Not Qibba...QibAA'. That's not the point. The point is when you search for qibaa alone or the masjid nabawy alone, you come up with the same information. When you search for the mosques of almadina or the almadina site, you find only one mosque, not both of them. The one 2.5 -5 km further to them which you mentioned is the "mosque with two qiblas", not constructed by the prophet, but used by him nevertheless.
whatever you like, My duty is just to present what I feel is truth, according To ALLAH's word.
It's not what I like or what you feel. That is not how God defines "truth". He commands us to verify, think and use our reasoning, and this is your duty. If you did that (and kept what or how you felt on hold), you wouldn't come up with such a statement as
" = "...a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity means mosque of zarar".!!
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You claim that "qiblah" is a pagan stone cube while the great reading tells us that our target is the truth from our lord.
Wrong!I never claimed that "qiblah" is apagan stone cube.
Unfortuntely, Saifullah and Rajah are so blinded by the logical fallacy of appeal to authority of the easily manufactured Hadiths and their chains of transmission that they forget to notice that the content is idiotic and is actually making fun of passages such as 2115 which tell us that "to the god belongs the east and the west".
You still donot know my stance on Hadith.
Who suffers from lack of knowledge? Is it idiots who defend a Hadith that is sneakly making fun of the word of the god and urinate and defecate while facing the east and the west or is it those who expose the fact that this is absurd? Saifullah and Rajah can hapily defecate and urinate while facing the east and west but they shouldn't claim that this "Hadith stuff" has anything to do with real knowledge.
That is to be decided but the link which yu posted, clearly shows your lack of knowldge regarding HAdith Stuff.
This is why the above comment from Rajah examplifies everything that is wrong with Sunni dogma and its inherently blind followers.
You again are assuming; wrong.
C'mon Rajah, do you really expect to come here and convince people of anything using what you claim to be logic when you defecate and urinate while facing the east and the west? I think that you need to start by being logical yourself so that you can be credible.
Well I think I am more logical then you atleast, not shifting the "Bayt" and "Qibla" whenever and wherever according to your wishes.
Qiblah is important because it gives us a sense of unity, uniformity and discipline. If there were no Qibla, we would pray as isolated groups with no connection to one another facing where ever we like and as you said making the piligrmage wherever we like. Qiblah gives us a focus, a common sense of purpose, a direction. But you will not understand this because you as the most of modren day christians think that Religon is one's personal matter, it is! but the uniformity and discipline are necessary which can only be attained through a common "Target".
In S?ra Al-Baqara v.143, we read
"The fools among the people will say "What has turned them from the Qiblah to which they were used?" Say To All?h belong both East and West; He guides whom He pleases to a Way that is straight. "
Read the above Ayat, and tell us that if Qiblah or the "target" is not physically a direction then why does Allah say
"Thus have We made of you an Ummah, justly balanced, that you might be witnesses over the nations and the Messenger a witness over yourselves. And We appointed the Qiblah to which you were used only to test those who followed the Messenger ......
So Allah appointed a "target" of truth to test those who followed messenger, and then read the above verse "The fools among the people will say "What has turned them from the Qiblah to which they were used?"
Now if this "Qiblah" is not physical direction then the whole Ayats when read togather donot make any sense.
"We see the turning of your face (for guidance) to the heavens; now shall We turn you to a Qiblah that will please you. Turn then your face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; wherever you are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is All?h unmindful of what they do."
So you mean to say that the Prophet was not happy with the "target of truth" assigned to him by Allah, and was always asking Allah to change the "target" AMAZING VERY AMAZING; AYMAN.
But, apart from the precise physical direction we must face, what really is the purpose of facing towards Makka and aligning ourselves with the Qiblah?
I would like to quote the following paragraph
Whenever we begin our salaat, we not only face the House of All?h in Makka, but we also connect ourselves, along an invisible line, an axis that proceeds from every point on earth, to the Spiritual Centre of Islam. Whether we pray alone, or as recommended, we pray in a group, we do so as a part of the great Ummah or Community of Islam. Standing and facing Qiblah in our prayers, connects us along an invisible line, to every other Muslim on the planet. We become an important link in the huge chain of worshippers who face Makka at least 5 times each day. If we could go up into space and look down on the earth and see all the Muslims at prayer, we would see a huge flower the size of the earth, opening and closing its millions of petals. Each of those petals represents a Muslim at prayer. And those of us who have been blessed with the invitation from All?h to perform Hajj or ?Umr?h, will remember that remarkable sight inside Al-Harram al-Shareef. There, at prayer times, it is asif a giant flower opens and closes its petals, as Muslims prastrate as one body, in neat and orderly rows, around the Kaaba.
So, Qibla is not only about degrees latitude or longitude on the compass. It?s about bringing together every nation, language, race and tribe on this planet, in regular acts of worship linked to a common centre. Qibla lies at the very heart of the great Ummah of Islam. Qibla is the navigational axis that connects every Muslim through the Holy Kaaba in Makka, to every other Muslim. This is the physical expression of Tauh?d, the belief in All?h?s oneness, All?h?s Unity. Because All?h is One, therefore His Ummah is one, and our Qiblah, our direction for worship, is one.
another important verse
"We inspired Moses and his brother, 'Maintain your homes in Egypt for the time being, turn your homes into Qiblah's, and maintain the Contact Prayers (Salat). Give good news to the believers." 1087
In this verse we notice that the word used is "Qiblah". So the homes of Moses is a Qibla for time being telling us again that it is a PHYSICAL place.
I think the first Quranic mention of any Qiblah was in connection with the time of Moses, as per the previous verse and though Abraham and Ismail built the "Bayt" but I cannot find any verse regarding the "Bayt" being Qiblah at the time of Abraham.
I have quoted the following verses from bible before this
When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house where he had windows in his upper chamber open toward Jerusalem; and he got down upon his knees three times a day and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously."
So this again tells us Physical direction towards which we have toface.
Allah Ho Akbar.
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Raj-ah
I have not learnt a single useful and constructive thing from you. You keep on babbling using quotes with no references.
Your logic is appalling.
You are manipulative in your discussions trying to steer people towards your point of view, or stir emotions to confuse the issues.
You call people names because they do not agree with you.
You are obsessively paranoid, seeing christian and zionist plots everywhere, whereas if you think about it, the Muslims have never had it so good in the West.
You are looking for a cheap and easy way out, forcing the issue that Makkah is the Safe Place for Pilgrimage, a barren out of every trade routes land, that nobody is interested in, apart from the claim that are made that it is the House of Allah, you think that Allah is cheap, and that He will not test the Believers as He promised in the Quran (Do you think you will say I believe and not be tested as were tested the ones before you).
Just use your brain for a change and think what are the implications of Jerusalem hosting the House of Allah (instead of being transfixed by paranoid zionist plots).
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When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house where he had windows in his upper chamber open toward Jerusalem; and he got down upon his knees three times a day and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as he had done previously."
So this again tells us Physical direction towards which we have toface.Which is Jerusalem ???
You were proposing that we should face a cubic brick in an arabic city called Mecca, but you're quoting a verse which explicitly tells a story of some pious man praying and give thanks to God three times a day facing Jerusalem.
Your "logic" is surely strange brother...Salam
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Which is Jerusalem
You were proposing that we should face a cubic brick in an arabic city called Mecca, but you're quoting a verse which explicitly tells a story of some pious man praying and give thanks to God three times a day facing Jerusalem.
Your "logic" is surely strange brother...Salam
When you dive in without knowing what is going on then these kinds of posts occur. Dear Jaffar we are discusing the stance of ayman at the moment, and i hope you know what his stance is?
Yosemite you are doing the samething, we have discussed regarding the stone etc. please read the whole debate if you realy want to comment.
Nabster
Raj-ah
I have not learnt a single useful and constructive thing from you. You keep on babbling using quotes with no references
I have the same feeling for you. It is always hard to deal with a person who wants to destroy a worship place with millions of people in it with tom hawk missiles, you have same mentality as the writer of "Prophet of Doom".
The best I can explain your will of destroying Kaaba by Tom hawk isSHAME
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Ra-jah,
You seem to enjoy the Islamic medieval era and the current Muslim dark ages, so stay therein, but please keep away from polluting others' minds with your distortions, oki?
That also applies to the dudes in the other extreme who look at everything as being a metaphor and allegorical in The Quran...
PS Question for you Why did the Talebans detonate the Buddha statues in Afghanistan?
and by the way, my Tomahawk missile analogy was rhetorical, I said they would still rebuild it if it were destroyed, what we need in fact are Tomahawk missiles aimed at sanitizing rotten mind sets! -
Nabster
Ra-jah,
You seem to enjoy the Islamic medieval era and the current Muslim dark ages, so stay therein, but please keep away from polluting others' minds with your distortions, oki?
That also applies to the dudes in the other extreme who look at everything as being a metaphor and allegorical in The Quran...
PS Question for you Why did the Talebans detonate the Buddha statues in Afghanistan?
and by the way, my Tomahawk missile analogy was rhetorical, I said they would still rebuild it if it were destroyed, what we need in fact are Tomahawk missiles aimed at sanitizing rotten mind sets!No dear I am not enjoying, infact i am crying! I can understand your position your emotions, they can be understood as we are having the darkest times, But being emotional is not the solution.
TAliban did wrong! if the Buddah's statues were placed in House of Allah then they had every right to remove them, similarly if there is some thing which we think after proper verification is Idol in House of Allah we should remove it, and if we don't have the power we should inform more and more persons regarding the truth until your voice becomes the majority. Like Muhammad Bin Wahab did hundred years ago according to his understanding. -
we are having the darkest times
Back to Jahilliyah age huh?
No wonder; maybe because Allah is not on your side?
Allah promises victory to "his people" and shameful defeat to "his enemy".
And Allah always keep His promises. (100% guaranteed)Like Muhammad Bin Wahab did hundred years ago according to his understanding.
Ah no wonder you're a wahabbiyah...
Salam
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Nabster
No dear I am not enjoying, infact i am crying! I can understand your position your emotions, they can be understood as we are having the darkest times, But being emotional is not the solution.
TAliban did wrong! if the Buddah's statues were placed in House of Allah then they had every right to remove them, similarly if there is some thing which we think after proper verification is Idol in House of Allah we should remove it, and if we don't have the power we should inform more and more persons regarding the truth until your voice becomes the majority. Like Muhammad Bin Wahab did hundred years ago according to his understanding.Peace,
Yeah the talibans were terrible wrong but it only prove how small brains they have. They have never consider the kaaba itself as an idol and there goes my eyes rolling again ).
I really wonder when humans are going to be idolfree hmm
Majidah