where was mohammad?
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The word Saracen comes from Sharaqiyeen (Easterners) ... You should also notice the sources you are looking up also seem to mention the term Muhagaraye used interchangeably with Saracen, which essentially would mean "those of Hagar". Also interesting to note that Hagar is an older name for Petra from what I have read thus far.
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petra - greek for rock... one of the meanings of the root hjr shown on this page 153 of volume 2 gives a meaning of "a stone" so depending on the spelling of muhagaraye perhaps these concepts are related.
then again perhaps not... myself i am not really necessarily in agreement with this petra idea, nor the jerusalem thing... then again nor am i in agreement with the common interpretation of mecca either, so there you go
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The word Saracen comes from Sharaqiyeen (Easterners) ... You should also notice the sources you are looking up also seem to mention the term Muhagaraye used interchangeably with Saracen, which essentially would mean "those of Hagar". Also interesting to note that Hagar is an older name for Petra from what I have read thus far.
Muhagaraye looks more like a participle than an adjective rleated to Hagar. It sounds more like "muhajireen" which means immigrants, or "muajjareen" ordered/ made /forced to immigrate (those who immigrated from Petra after God's punishment, who could also be muhajjareen/ordered to immigrate?)
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Peace Samia,
I am also in agreement with you, however I'd rather keep the possibilities open ... both definitions of mhaggarayi are relevant from what I understand and in either case, I seem to think that the prophet was not from Mecca (even if this place existed back then). -
Muhagaraye looks more like a participle than an adjective related to Hagar. It sounds more like "muhajireen" which means immigrants, or "muajjareen" ordered/ made /forced to immigrate (those who immigrated from Petra after God's punishment, who could also be muhajjareen/ordered to immigrate?)
I also want to point out that Syrian Arabic pronounces the "J" as "g", so it will be pronounced as "muhaggareen/muhagireen".
I'd rather keep the possibilities open ... both definitions of mhaggarayi are relevant from what I understand and in either case, I seem to think that the prophet was not from Mecca (even if this place existed back then).
Ditto
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I also want to point out that Syrian Arabic pronounces the "J" as "g", so it will be pronounced as "muhaggareen/muhagireen".
Peace sis samia,
the syrian accent doesnt have a "g" sound - that is egyptian arabic isnt it?
in Syria it would be pronounced "muhajereen" not with the hard g sound.... -
Peace sis samia,
the syrian accent doesnt have a "g" sound - that is egyptian arabic isnt it?
in Syria it would be pronounced "muhajereen" not with the hard g sound....You're right. I mixed it with the pronunciation of q> hamza , which is shared with the Egyptian dialect.
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Am I easily led astray, or are these words of wisdom I read? It took me several books to make me believe, shakily, that this guy, Muhammad, operated in Saudi and talked all this rubbish, yet managed to pass this book on, yet I read one page stating shakily that Muhammad couldn't possibly be Meccan and I suddenly am pretty firm in this?
Odd?
What are the sources of history from that period, preceding the death of Muhammad, aside from Hadith, or people associated with Hadith?
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Peace all,
Orthographic evidence from al-qur'aan indicates that it was originally descended in the North Arabian Lakhmid province region, and thus the Prophet was most likely from that area.
Please see the following article for details
http//free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm
According to evidence from al-qur'aan, the Prophet and his companions are spoken of as being physically in or around ruins of the town where Lot had lived
37133 And Lot was one of the messengers.
37134 When We saved him and all his family.
37135 Except an old woman who remained.
37136 Then, We destroyed the rest.
37137 And you pass by their ruins in the morning;
37138 And in the night. Do you not understand?The only way in which one can pass by a place in the morning and the evening is evidently by living somewhere in the vicinity. The ruins of the town of Lot were located in the Dead Sea area.
According to evidence from al-qur'aan, the Prophet must have been in the vicinity of olives, grapes, and pomegranates (6141, 134, 1611, 1667, 1832, 2319, 3634, 8028-29, 951). Mecca was not suitable for any kind of agriculture, and one could not possibly have produced olives there.
All these evidences indicate that Prophet Muhammad was most likely from the North Arabian Lakhmid province region near Dead Sea area.