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Getting p'd off by traditionalists!

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    Samia
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    Ibn Rushd's books were burnt during his life, but he had already made copies of them and smuggled them to Egypt. Now they are every where, especially his collection of Islamic Jurisprudence by the four imams with his commentary. Maybe his political views are different from traditionalists (I haven't read all his books), but his commentary on his I.J. is not much different from the 4 imams'. hat's why this book is not banned. What's special about Ibn Rushd's religious views?

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      Alen
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      Salam.

      Those traditionalists are making me rather laugh then angry.
      They ask me questions and when i answer that The Quran is all you need and that inside it you can find all that you need, they say that i am a kaffir.

      Yeah, for real, this convert from Poland called me a kaffir, the devil, crazy and he thinks that i can only get knowledge from the sheiks.

      Peace.

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        Yosemite
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        rotfl

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          Ghulam_Rasool
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          People underestimate the power of prayer. I think there is a reason why salaat five times a day for the rest of your life is a fundamental religious obligation, because it is not just some symbolic ritual, it is a sure means of communion with Allah, and its physical postures cultivate righteousness and humility in human beings. Prayer is the most powerful weapon of man, in their humble requests, we can see how Allah Himself will directly intervene in human affairs to answer a single prayer.

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            phoenix1
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            Yusha, I know too many people who pray five times a day and are hypocrites, liars, jerks, thieves, and just plain evil, to believe what you just said.
            I'd say people vastly overestimate the power of superficial rituals.

            I'd comment on the original post, but methinks my concept of islam is just too different. But I do agree with Ibn Sina about heaven and hell.

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              Ghulam_Rasool
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              And your Lord says "Call on Me; I will answer your (Prayer) but those who are too arrogant to worship Me will surely find themselves in Hell, in humiliation!" (4060)

              Yusha, I know too many people who pray five times a day and are hypocrites, liars, jerks, thieves, and just plain evil, to believe what you just said.
              I'd say people vastly overestimate the power of superficial rituals.

              This is due to the fact that many people these days pray only for the sake of discharging a religious obligation, but unfortunately, they do not pray for their own benefit, be it spiritually, physically, or financially. They have abandoned the spirit of salaat, and do not know its true nature

              So woe to those who pray!
              (but) who are unmindful of their prayers
              (1074-5)

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                Yosemite
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                Some problemes is that, sometimes people just pray to show they are good muslims. Just to show. That's why no one should be forced.

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                  Yusha, unless there is some magical component in the ritual, it's impossible to become righteous by doing a ritual which involves saying and repeating arabic words which you don't understand (and the meaning is not important, says the mullah, it's the act of saying "god's words" in their true form that earns you "sawab&quot.

                  1. people don't understand what is being said. and what is being said is not important, it is the act of saying it.
                  2. standing, sitting, bowing, and then standing again doesn't make people more righteous.
                  3. people are motivated to pray because they are promised a certain amount of sawab for doing it, not because it will make them better people.
                    Everyone, at least subconsciously, knows that righteousness has nothing to do with rituals, because we've all seen people who are very righteous but have never prayed in their life.

                  Plus, salat doesn't mean prayer. And the process of salat isn't supposed to magically turn you into a better person, but it's a practical process through which we can get rid of the negative aspects of our selves and bring out God's traits that are inside us.

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                    I think Salaah definitely DOES have an effect on a person...

                    But ONLY when it's read properly, Not "I must read my 5 times Salah" or "Up down kiss the ground"

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                      phoenix1
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                      what kind of effect does it have? and how?
                      I believe salat has an effect too, but I don't agree with the 5 time ritual thing. I would like to know the science behind it.
                      peace

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