Wife beating, god and morality
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You stated "Your God is your source of guidance". Assuming "God" to be "The one who guides", a la the Quran, Bible (suspect) and Torah, that is a tautological reference to a single quality of "God".
I actually meant something not quite as that, but I forget, that's the closest explanation I could remember.
It should. Not everyone cares to question or contest their beliefs on a regular basis. Their god, therefore, is often the one they made up as children.
In this context, should = must.
I don't follow. To what does prior refer to
Prior, in this context = "ONLY a source of guidance"
In other words, you were being ambiguous That the universal God = ONLY a source of guidance.
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peace Nadeem,
To conclude There is a difference between your god and The God. Your God is whatever you have made of him through study and observation. The God is the what you seek when observing nature; your god is what you have so far found.
that's true. It's like when abraham looks up in the sky and thinks the sun is god (or something like that) but then the sun goes down and he abandons the idea, and then he repeats that a few times. Basically, we have to do the best we can with what we know, but we have to keep learning and evolving our understanding.
You can make your conscience your god - your source of guidance. You have not, as you find it misleading. At the moment your god is the attributes you find to be fitting for The God. That is why you say we should emulate the qualities of god. These qualities now constitute your god. Somewhere down the road you may not consider these qualities as 'god' anymore, you may perhaps find them contradictory, and move on to another god. All this time The God is as he has always been, and unaffected by your choices. It is you who change. Everytime you change god, it may be for the better and bring you closer to The God, or for the worse and widen the gap.
Yes, that could happen. But the word "god" (in the quran) doesn't mean "source of guidance," does it? but, yeah, you're right, one could think that something is god, when it's not. Speaking of god, I think people place far too much importance in that three letter word.
Some of this appears correct to me. I don't however subscribe to the thought free idea. How can I remain without thoughts when I'm asked to ponder over the signs? Whenever I learn something new, a battle occurs between my old beliefs and this new information. Sometimes it is a minor battle, sometimes it is major. It is not very peacefull inside my box when this happens.
You can't ponder over the signs when you're emotional. Our emotions cloud our judgement and reasoning. How many times, in a fit of anger, have we done things we later had to apologize for? When we are emotional, we get pushed around by our emotions and lose our free will. That's why there's a battle, because your emotions are pushing you in different directions.
And I've heard that we can free ourselves from all thoughts and, instead of learning from outside, intuit knowledge from within.peace Enquirer, you say
Easy phoenix.That was my signature from 6 months ago,i havent changed it yet.....
But 'sustainable happiness' is a criterion if society as a whole is not harmed by the individual and vice versa....Misues of the criterion of happiness doesnt make it invalid,just like misuse of the word 'justice' doesnt invalidate real 'justice'....Maybe justice is more appropriate than happiness?how does one misuse justice?? I don't think you can. Unlike justice, happiness is an emotion. Unlike justice, happiness can be the result of pretty much anything. Justice is more appropriate, but it's just one of many ideals a society should have. That's why "peace" works the best, IMO, because that's where everything starts.
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Note This thread was split from this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14390.0Maybe some 'husbands' need a good spell in prison after 'beating' their wives.....Or maybe they can try to see if a man will put up with their cowardly god justified behaviour?
Salam.
I think that some men beat up their wives because they (wives) are right about something or in a better position and men hate that, men are jealous, they can be, i'm a man and i know that sometimes i can get jealous.
I am not married, yet, but i'm planning to be and i hope i will be better then the previous generations, inshaALLAH.
Peace.
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"Go back to kitchen and bake me a cake!"
No seriously, a friend at school says " your wife, she has to do anything you tell her to do. She must obey you as long as you don't make her disobey or go against God."
Well, is there any truth in it?
I should goback to read the Quran.
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No, there is utterly no truth in that statement.
It is purely subjective, and only works if your wife is masochist.
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"Go back to kitchen and bake me a cake!"
No seriously, a friend at school says " your wife, she has to do anything you tell her to do. She must obey you as long as you don't make her disobey or go against God."
Well, is there any truth in it?
I should goback to read the Quran.
Quran doesn't say to obey your husband...... Its only in different cultures where wives don't work, they rest whole day at home and in the evening when their husband come from work then wives' jobs start ...... I mean wives cook for them and etc... So whats the problem?
Its only western people don't know the whole picture... For example, if husband comes from work after the whole long day....tired, wife doesn't work and rest at home the whole day, husband asks wife to bring dinner and wife says am too tired man I can do that, may be there are some men who in this situation would say subhanAllah no problem darling I cook it myself you just take rest. But there are many husbands who would slightly beat their wives as told in hadith.... so whats the problem?
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Quran doesn't say to obey your husband...... Its only in different cultures where wives don't work, they rest whole day at home and in the evening when their husband come from work then wives' jobs start ...... I mean wives cook for them and etc... So whats the problem?
Its only western people don't know the whole picture... For example, if husband comes from work after the whole long day....tired, wife doesn't work and rest at home the whole day, husband asks wife to bring dinner and wife says am too tired man I can do that, may be there are some men who in this situation would say subhanAllah no problem darling I cook it myself you just take rest. But there are many husbands who would slightly beat their wives as told in hadith.... so whats the problem?
These are just two extremes. The usual picture, West or East, women and men both work. West Men help in housework and with children; East men continue as if the woman does not work like also and expect same treatment as his mother used to serve his father, without bothering to adapt to the new circumstances.
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These are just two extremes. The usual picture, West or East, women and men both work. West Men help in housework and with children; East men continue as if the woman does not work like also and expect same treatment as his mother used to serve his father, without bothering to adapt to the new circumstances.
East correction Women don't work even then husbands help wives with children, this is wrong to say they don't hlep....And also its wrong to say that its service, its not serving, they have different responsibilities......ok, then husbands also serve their wives and children.... so whats wrong if wives do so?
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I have written an article on verse 434 of the Qur'an, a verse which has commonly been misinterpreted to justify violence against women. I have created a website to publish this article www.quranverse434.com