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What is the empirical evidence for god?

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    Easy folks. I would like to know if any believers see empirical evidence for gods existance in nature/logic rather than just from faith and/or textual authority,and what are these evidences....?

    what do you think?

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      I dont really see any. I see empirical evidence for cause and effect but i cant see how this relates to god.....I am open-minded if someone explains clearly how god can be clearly shown to be influencing the world...

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        I dont really see any. I see empirical evidence for cause and effect but i cant see how this relates to god.....I am open-minded if someone explains clearly how god can be clearly shown to be influencing the world...

        Salaams Br,

        try answering your own question after reading these few lines.

        Why do people have fingernails, eye brows, eye lashes, white blood cells, red blood cells?

        Why do certain animals mimic colour of their surroundings and change their colour as and when the surroundings change.

        Why does a certain flower mimic the looks of a female wasp? The male wasp tries to impregnate the flower and carries away pollen in doing so to fertilize other flowers.

        Try answering these , who knows you may find His signature.

        God Bless all.

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          Evolution.

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            unknownuser
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            Peace,

            Unless one knows exactly who or what god is, the empirical evidence cannot be proven nor justified. The word God, as being the Creator/Lord of the Universe, is nothing more than an inspiration or a figment of our imagination that has carried over through centuries with the notion that there must be someone or something out there that created or controls our universe. It is simply beyond anyone's imagination and rather personal.

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              mz
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              Evolution.

              Okay! but what is causing this?

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                The interaction of myriad forces on each other over time.

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                  peace

                  who created these myriad forces?
                  who made them work a certain way?
                  why is there so much order in the universe?
                  who originated all things that exist, starting from big bang?
                  who made evolution work the way it does?

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                    The interaction of myriad forces on each other over time.

                    Yes, true but look around life is heading in one direction ? evolving/ improving/ getting better and more sophisticated.

                    If as you say it is caused by random forces then explain why is it heading in one direction.

                    God Bless.

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                      Maybe some humans and life forms are getting more sohisticated in technoloy and intellect,but this doesnt really apply to all animals and all inert matter.To be honest not all humans are evolving to be more sophisticated,just look at the wars and inhumanity around the world.
                      And whose to say a giant explosion or disaster wont send us back to a more primitive state of affairs?
                      ps; how have fish,worms and amoebas gone forward in sophistication in the last million years? And whose to say some species havent regressed? Witness the taliban? elektro

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                        taliban?

                        i was thinking of a man - biologically.

                        and the plants and the animals.

                        there built.

                        and we can choose to follow the evolutionary process or choose to be talibans, but i choose the first, and that my friend - some call the God and some evolution but they are both one and the same to me.

                        God Bless.

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                          Hey, how are cumulonimbus clouds formed again?

                          I'll give you a clue - a series of smaller clouds amalgamate towards a certain vantage point, they stack up onto each other, by which time they are mountain-sized, and hail is formed in them, the static electricity generated by continuous impacts between hailstones creates a phenomenon known as "lightning". Interesting stuff, eh? Read up.

                          2443

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                            Easy MZ. Those creatures that do not adapt well to the changing environment may not get to reproduce,and so may die out....In this way some of the 'simpler' creatures become extinct,conversely some of the more adaptable and 'complex' creatures prosper and reproduce...In this way it may seem that life is getting more 'complex'....
                            Sophistication is just down to humans learning and processing practical knowledge for positive means,which is pretty inevitable given the social thinking creatures we are....
                            Equating evolution and god may be fine,but evolution is considered random and blind,would you define god that way?
                            ps; i choose the positive evolutionary process as well....

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                              ps; i choose the positive evolutionary process as well....

                              So do i.

                              That to me is caused by something.

                              its like when i cut my finger i don't do much to heal it it just happens - great, and everything else beside, we all of us like it and some of us say its good side of evolution and some say its caused by God its basically one and the same - i think.

                              Gods Blessings enquirer.

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                                peace enquirer

                                since you believe that there is cause and effect, do you believe there is a beginning and an end?

                                if so how did the beginning originate?

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                                  There is no begining or end. Energy is eternal. Matter/Energy cannot be created or destoyed but only changes form....
                                  No need for a first cause/prime mover,as if all things need a cause/prime mover then so does god.....

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                                    so what happens when you die and why

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                                      Well,my conciousness ceases or is imperceptible,my body decays (if not preserved.) and this decay is me changing form.
                                      I die as a human being/mind but am 'recycled' into organic matter or whatever i decay/turn into...
                                      My original energy/matter just turns into something else,another form....

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                                        There is no begining or end. Energy is eternal. Matter/Energy cannot be created or destoyed but only changes form....
                                        No need for a first cause/prime mover,as if all things need a cause/prime mover then so does god.....

                                        The universe is not eternal, because if it were so, WE WOULD HAVE DAYLIGHT ONLY, NO NIGHT. Period.

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                                          Arent daylight and night relative? Explain your thinking if you will?

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