What is the empirical evidence for god?
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The interaction of myriad forces on each other over time.
Yes, true but look around life is heading in one direction ? evolving/ improving/ getting better and more sophisticated.
If as you say it is caused by random forces then explain why is it heading in one direction.
God Bless.
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Maybe some humans and life forms are getting more sohisticated in technoloy and intellect,but this doesnt really apply to all animals and all inert matter.To be honest not all humans are evolving to be more sophisticated,just look at the wars and inhumanity around the world.
And whose to say a giant explosion or disaster wont send us back to a more primitive state of affairs?
ps; how have fish,worms and amoebas gone forward in sophistication in the last million years? And whose to say some species havent regressed? Witness the taliban? elektro -
taliban?
i was thinking of a man - biologically.
and the plants and the animals.
there built.
and we can choose to follow the evolutionary process or choose to be talibans, but i choose the first, and that my friend - some call the God and some evolution but they are both one and the same to me.
God Bless.
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Hey, how are cumulonimbus clouds formed again?
I'll give you a clue - a series of smaller clouds amalgamate towards a certain vantage point, they stack up onto each other, by which time they are mountain-sized, and hail is formed in them, the static electricity generated by continuous impacts between hailstones creates a phenomenon known as "lightning". Interesting stuff, eh? Read up.
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Easy MZ. Those creatures that do not adapt well to the changing environment may not get to reproduce,and so may die out....In this way some of the 'simpler' creatures become extinct,conversely some of the more adaptable and 'complex' creatures prosper and reproduce...In this way it may seem that life is getting more 'complex'....
Sophistication is just down to humans learning and processing practical knowledge for positive means,which is pretty inevitable given the social thinking creatures we are....
Equating evolution and god may be fine,but evolution is considered random and blind,would you define god that way?
ps; i choose the positive evolutionary process as well.... -
ps; i choose the positive evolutionary process as well....
So do i.
That to me is caused by something.
its like when i cut my finger i don't do much to heal it it just happens - great, and everything else beside, we all of us like it and some of us say its good side of evolution and some say its caused by God its basically one and the same - i think.
Gods Blessings enquirer.
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There is no begining or end. Energy is eternal. Matter/Energy cannot be created or destoyed but only changes form....
No need for a first cause/prime mover,as if all things need a cause/prime mover then so does god..... -
Well,my conciousness ceases or is imperceptible,my body decays (if not preserved.) and this decay is me changing form.
I die as a human being/mind but am 'recycled' into organic matter or whatever i decay/turn into...
My original energy/matter just turns into something else,another form.... -
There is no begining or end. Energy is eternal. Matter/Energy cannot be created or destoyed but only changes form....
No need for a first cause/prime mover,as if all things need a cause/prime mover then so does god.....The universe is not eternal, because if it were so, WE WOULD HAVE DAYLIGHT ONLY, NO NIGHT. Period.
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Arent daylight and night relative? Explain your thinking if you will?
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Alright. Suppose that "energy is eternal", i.e. infinite. Over time, energy translates into matter - high-energy quanta spontaneously form 2 particles, a normal "matter" particle and its antiparticle.
Fast forward several billion years of this process occuring, and we would have effectively "infinite stars in the sky". Light from infinite stars in the sky is pretty strong, no?
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How does an infinity of stars occur over a non-infinite amount of time? How do you know the ratio of stars to sky? And even if you mean infinity in a different sense,you should know that stars also die.....
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We seem to know very little about the universe.
What if the physical universe behaves like a mathematical function. Maybe it will grow forever, but will still be confined within some limits... just like a graph of a function can have asymptotes... they keep approaching a value forever, getting infinately close, but will never reach.
This is just a crude idea that popped up... I don't base it on anything exept that probably the reality is far beyond our comprehesion.
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How does an infinity of stars occur over a non-infinite amount of time? How do you know the ratio of stars to sky? And even if you mean infinity in a different sense,you should know that stars also die.....
Energy = Eternal => Time = Eternal.
Maybe you meant eternal in the sense that it cannot be created or destroyed. Who/what created this initial mass/energy? Yes, it is very important, because cause and effect is the main law of this universe.
Time is a purely human construct.
Stars may die, but remember how they die? One time is cooling off, the other is by supernovae, which throw out light far, far, far brighter than the Sun, even at distances we could not imagine.
Cause and effect would logically point to that. But that is "determinism" and that has apparently been disproved.
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Nerspi,in response to your questions why cant i say that energy originated all these things as it has always existed....I mean if you say god is eternal and the originator then you admit something can exist which either doesnt need 'originating' or that is eternal in one form or another.....
ps; OPF,when a supernova occurs,can we see it from earth? Have you seen one? Read between the lines and you will see what i am saying in response to your 'period' overstatement of conjecture and obfuscation..... -
Further,nerspi,how do you say there is harmony in the universe are you talking about earth alone or what? Is it harmony when tsunamis kill humans and animals or when lions kill defenseless baby wildebeest? Or ice ages do away with whole species of life?
What kind of harmony are you talking of? How do we know that there is not disharmony in other parts of the universe as opposed to earth which is a very small part of the universe?
Finally,evolution works how it does because it is the result of the interaction of myriad forces engaging in cause and effect,and this is somewhat random and as a result of the 'nature' of the forces concerned and their current properties.... -
Nerspi,in response to your questions why cant i say that energy originated all these things as it has always existed....I mean if you say god is eternal and the originator then you admit something can exist which either doesnt need 'originating' or that is eternal in one form or another.....
ps; OPF,when a supernova occurs,can we see it from earth? Have you seen one? Read between the lines and you will see what i am saying in response to your 'period' overstatement of conjecture and obfuscation.....We can observe supernovae (keeping in mind they've occured millions or even billions of years ago - meaning that there might be a gamma ray burst heading right for us at lightspeed and we won't know), but I haven't.
But think of it, if energy is infinite, then that must be so, because at a certain point, we will be effectively in a reversed Dyson sphere with all that light combined from the infinite number of stars around. However, if energy is "eternal", as in timeless, then that's something else.
Of course, we can't really make a definite conclusion on... anything outside of Earth, really.