So i was talking of darwin to some friend
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Bigmo, I've already predicted that you're using a double standard.
Your posts so far only repeat the point 'I don't want to extrapolate because I don't want to consider evolution true'.
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Bigmo, I've already predicted that you're using a double standard.
Your posts so far only repeat the point 'I don't want to extrapolate because I don't want to consider evolution true'.
Didn't I tell you its like having a hadith debate, just like some Muslims will tell you
"So you are telling me all those Ulema were wrong all these centuries?", now you are also saying "So what are you telling me, all these scientist are wrong?".
Its true, just watch the scientist debating, tell will make of fun of intelligent design, just yesterday one of them i heard say he could have been a better designer. Watch how they make fun of intelligent design and watch how they always conspire against IDers. One of them even made fun of "One nation under God to one nation under dog!".
How can you trust people who think this creation is silly and deficient and they could have done a better job and think people who believe in a Creator are stupid. 95% of the top biologist are atheist, you still do not know that its a religion but their god is chance and the be and it is is 4.5 billion yeras.
Just watch a debate between the two, and you will see how many of these scientist really think and why they continue to hold on to chance and its getting pretty obvious that its a miracle beyond science. One scientist cracked a joke once in a science forum that if God is a designer than He is an under achiever. They all laughed. I knew then they are speaking from kufr and not science.
They interpret science from a kufr standpoint and they have found in science a way to make dawa' for kufr. When in fact science teaches the exact opposite which is what ID is trying to do. One of the creators of the brilliant documentary " the priveleged planet" , Guillermo Gonzalez, has been denied tenure at Iowa State even though he was the best academic there because he talked about the miracle of planet Earth in a documentary. There was even no mention of God in that documentary. You can get it at youtube, these scientist are a mafia of atheists and they want to kick out anyone who is not one even if he is a better scientist than them.
Watch their arrogance and mockery of God and His creation and their mockery of IDers. Even the pagan Arabs gave better argument than them. Notice how he in the end he said" we should not ask ourselves why most scientist do not believe in a Creator but why all of them don't."
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRXxxu-t2kA
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now you are also saying "So what are you telling me, all these scientist are wrong?".
No, what I'm asking is why you don't want to learn about the evidence for evolution, and refuse to extrapolate on evolution while you're okay with the same thing for plate tectonics and cosmology.
That's why I say your mind's already made up. You want to see that evolution is wrong so you can't be bothered to learn.
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No, what I'm asking is why you don't want to learn about the evidence for evolution, and refuse to extrapolate on evolution while you're okay with the same thing for plate tectonics and cosmology.
That's why I say your mind's already made up. You want to see that evolution is wrong so you can't be bothered to learn.
I told you I spent hours and hours about evolution. I have in my hard disk two documentaries about the origins of man, about how scientist went about finding the discoveries of human origins including the story of the neanderthals and Lucy. I have a 6 series documentary about the Earth. I have watched many debates between the two. If you mean did I read a PHD seminary about evolution, then No i didn't. But I have read and watched enough. I have many documentaries(12) about the universe. Just yesterday I watched Filipenko talk about the anti gravity in princeton. Incredible stuff.
Evolution Darwainst is a dogma, its not like any other science. Most scientist can explain to you were the evidence came from and how, but evolutionist bring impossible things with caricatures and pictures and paintings to fool you. Its all story telling like hadiths. The rely on presumbed assumptions and when you see them talk especially against intelligent design you see the kufr. Its a dogma, nobody can ever go to a geaologist and debate with him about plate tectonics. First of all they are not involved in dogma, and they can show you why they reached the conclusions they reach and most of all HOW it could have happened scientifically. They maybe not able to prove to you whether thats what happened, but they can tell you HOW it could have happened and its not based on chance or luck but on a science theory. This science theory is missing when you deal with evolution, at least the Darwinian one. This is because they rely on RANDOM mutation and NATURAL selection for that. Think about that. You watch the other scienec discipline and you can see where they are going, but evolution of species its a lot of story telling and pictures and art and imaginations. Its an atheist adventure through the supposed past.
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Peace all,
How about EVOLUTION BY INTELLIGENT DESIGN ? (Crevolution)
http//www.mostmerciful.com/creations-eternally-evolved-by-intellegent-design.htm
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Peace all,
How about EVOLUTION BY INTELLIGENT DESIGN ? (Crevolution)
http//www.mostmerciful.com/creations-eternally-evolved-by-intellegent-design.htm
But thats not science, there is no evidence yet that evolution is scientifically possible. Let me explain it.
You need to show how
Nature alone could have helped create the first living cell.
Through random mutation species can gain advantageous traits and physical properties.
They can regain and pass down these advantageous random mutations to subsequent generation.
Further random mutation can then lead to traits and properties beyond whats contained in the initial DNA structure thus providing new information to its DNA structure.
The species can maintain that new DNA information and pass it down to subsequent generations.
The process can continue and in time a new species can evolve all through slow gradual random mutation adding slowly new information to its DNA structure
Once you can show all this scientifically possible, then you can try to find fossil records to prove this is what happened.
Meanwhile how are you going to explain that all scientific evidence has shown this is NOT possible and indeed random mutation almost always is fatal or destructive and new DNA is not possible and has never occured.
If you can do that and the IDers can do that then I hail you and them.
Meanwhile I wouldn't hold my breath.
Using intelligent design is not science. ID is a way to EXPLAIN how evolution COULD HAVE happened by invoking a Divine touch to make what otherwise is not possible scientifically.
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peace Bigmo,
Scientists have recreated the birth of amino acids in a lab by creating the same conditions as on earth a few billion years ago.
And the fact that bacteria become immune to antibiotics is proof that nature can indeed give species advantageous traits and they can be passed down to the offsprings. -
Peace Lobster,
Scientists have recreated the birth of amino acids in a lab by creating the same conditions as on earth a few billion years ago.
And the fact that bacteria become immune to antibiotics is proof that nature can indeed give species advantageous traits and they can be passed down to the offsprings.I believe bacteria do NOT become immune rather the already immune ones survive and replicate.
They created amino acids in a test-tube which were also detected in meteorites. Odds are astronomical going from amino acids to cells which reproduce. Experiment also produced other products which would kill the process.
http//www.sp.uconn.edu/~terry/images/mols/aastructure.gif
This is like saying silicon molecules will evolve into super computers which are nothing more than 0?s and 1?s or combinations of simple yes/no logic with no mention of the meticulous construct and millions lines of code involved in the programming.
They assume gases, clay, and water hit by lighting created a bacterium creature with DNA code and it somehow was able to start to eat, shit, and replicate until a rift happened between ancestors of trees and people who decided to stop being tree-huggers?lol
No explanation for initial origin of life or its decay/death programmed in DNA.
Once again, experiment did NOT produce life only amino acids (wrong type are detrimental to life) which is analogous to growing Silicon Germanium in a lab, leaving it alone for a billion years expecting it will evolve into a trillion supercomputers each with billion lines of "intelligent program code" able to replicate itself (make backup copies), produce it's own children (create newer advanced computers), and age/die/delete it?s own account (nun de plume# rm -rf / ) at appropriate time.
Even oldest species on earth "cyanobacteria" has been unchanged for 3-4 billion years is more complex than today?s fastest supercomputers being built...
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5322704.stm
As a side note; I was at Lawrence Livermore Labs meeting with the folks running BlueGene (world?s fastest super compute cluster) which has over 28 PetaBytes of data mostly for simulations to ensure nuclear stockpiles are ?ready? and reason US signed the non proliferation treaty; no need for real tests when you can safely simulate.
With all of today?s knowledge and using world?s fastest computers doing experiments in ?controlled? environments can not succeed ? they produce a few proteins by spiking the bioreactor with genes?
http//pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-lib...ells_8460.html
Less than a year ago, Libchaber and Vincent Noireaux, a postdoc in his lab, created a vesicle bioreactor, where a phospholipid membrane surrounds an essential-nutrient containing liquid. Into this sphere, they placed a small strand of DNA containing three genes. They showed that this cell-like structure could produce proteins and sustain itself for up to four days as long as the environment remained stable. Since then, Libchaber and Noireaux, along with three other colleagues, have tackled other basic problems that cells have to face every day.
Take away the vesicle bioreactor, computers, people, and leave only rocks and gases, then let?s see what gets created. Nothing!
They?d do better making yogurt and pickled tomatoes?LOL
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Peace Lobster,
I believe bacteria do NOT become immune rather the already immune ones survive and replicate.
They created amino acids in a test-tube which were also detected in meteorites. Odds are astronomical going from amino acids to cells which reproduce. Experiment also produced other products which would kill the process.
http//www.sp.uconn.edu/~terry/images/mols/aastructure.gif
This is like saying silicon molecules will evolve into super computers which are nothing more than 0?s and 1?s or combinations of simple yes/no logic with no mention of the meticulous construct and millions lines of code involved in the programming.
They assume gases, clay, and water hit by lighting created a bacterium creature with DNA code and it somehow was able to start to eat, s***, and replicate until a rift happened between ancestors of trees and people who decided to stop being tree-huggers?lol
No explanation for initial origin of life or its decay/death programmed in DNA.
Once again, experiment did NOT produce life only amino acids (wrong type are detrimental to life) which is analogous to growing Silicon Germanium in a lab, leaving it alone for a billion years expecting it will evolve into a trillion supercomputers each with billion lines of "intelligent program code" able to replicate itself (make backup copies), produce it's own children (create newer advanced computers), and age/die/delete it?s own account (nun de plume# rm -rf / ) at appropriate time.
Even oldest species on earth "cyanobacteria" has been unchanged for 3-4 billion years is more complex than today?s fastest supercomputers being built...
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5322704.stm
As a side note; I was at Lawrence Livermore Labs meeting with the folks running BlueGene (world?s fastest super compute cluster) which has over 28 PetaBytes of data mostly for simulations to ensure nuclear stockpiles are ?ready? and reason US signed the non proliferation treaty; no need for real tests when you can safely simulate.
With all of today?s knowledge and using world?s fastest computers doing experiments in ?controlled? environments can not succeed ? they produce a few proteins by spiking the bioreactor with genes?
http//pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-lib...ells_8460.html
Take away the vesicle bioreactor, computers, people, and leave only rocks and gases, then let?s see what gets created. Nothing!
They?d do better making yogurt and pickled tomatoes?LOL
DAMN!!!
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Peace "Bigmo",
Take a look at this
http//video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8636972656174056506&q=ken+miller+apes&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
If this wont convince you, nothing will. It's one of the latest microbiological evidences for evolution. GOD Bless! -
Peace jonny_k.
Take a look at this
http//video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8636972656174056506&q=ken+miller+apes&total=9&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=0
If this wont convince you, nothing will. It's one of the latest microbiological evidences for evolution. GOD Bless!This theory proposes the following?
- There was once a common ancestor of humans/apes with 48 chromosomes.
- Offspring mutated with pair #2 fused; thus born with 46 chromosomes.
- Then this genetically disordered offspring mated with???
Humans get 23 chromosomes from their mother and 23 from their father.
If the above events were true; then?
23 chromosomes paired with 24 of another offspring producing 46 and not 47?
http//www.mun.ca/biology/desmid/brian/BIOL2250/Week_Two/chronumb.jpg
Notice donkey and horse are 31 and 32. A mule is the offspring of a mare (female horse) and a jackass (male donkey). The offspring of a male horse (stallion) and a female ass (jenny) is called a hinny. Number of the mule is 63 which are sterile and can?t reproduce.
Mutations usually lead to deformities in offspring and extermination of species.
Notice also the same assumptions would make a human related to a potato. ;D
http//www.animationplayhouse.com/potato.gif
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Peace jonny_k.
This theory proposes the following?
- There was once a common ancestor of humans/apes with 48 chromosomes.
- Offspring mutated with pair #2 fused; thus born with 46 chromosomes.
- Then this genetically disordered offspring mated with???
Humans get 23 chromosomes from their mother and 23 from their father.
If the above events were true; then?
23 chromosomes paired with 24 of another offspring producing 46 and not 47?
http//www.mun.ca/biology/desmid/brian/BIOL2250/Week_Two/chronumb.jpg
Notice donkey and horse are 31 and 32. A mule is the offspring of a mare (female horse) and a jackass (male donkey). The offspring of a male horse (stallion) and a female ass (jenny) is called a hinny. Number of the mule is 63 which are sterile and can?t reproduce.
Mutations usually lead to deformities in offspring and extermination of species.
Notice also the same assumptions would make a human related to a potato. ;D
http//www.animationplayhouse.com/potato.gif
rotfl
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YUSUFALI O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you) for Allah ever watches over you.
PICKTHAL O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.
SHAKIR O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you.Keep denying...
God has power over all things.
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Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women;
This implies a common origin.
You cannot deny that.
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Peace "nun de plume",
Man you failed to rea,ize tht the fusion occured in the exact same place on the genome where apes have it. What are the chances of tht? Further evidence is tht of enogenous retrovirusus. They are viruses once found and attached as junk DNA in primates and other prior species. We have them at the exact same place as them upto a certain point and then they split off. And these viruses if acquired from surroundings attach at random palces so this is extremely significant. Infact with this we can also tell how far we are from other species inc mammals reptiles plants, etc.
http//www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section4.html#retroviruses
GOD Bless! -
This implies a common origin.
You cannot deny that.
The verse is talking about manking and not all creation or all creation on Earth(Adam ). We are not saying whether evolution occurred or did not, we are saying science does not yet support that and thus far seems to indicate it would have been a miraculous event had it occurred. Science seems to contradict the theory and not support it. Thus evolution can not remain a valid scientific explanation.
Whether it occurred or did not we really do not know thus its based on faith and not science. We know species seems to have emerged in stages of complexity according to fossil record, yet we have yet to see how they evolved from each other. Science have shown certain hypothesis and predictions had it occurred, but has yet to show HOW could it have occurred.
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The verse is talking about manking and not all creation or all creation on Earth(Adam ). We are not saying whether evolution occurred or did not, we are saying science does not yet support that and thus far seems to indicate it would have been a miraculous event had it occurred. Science seems to contradict the theory and not support it. Thus evolution can not remain a valid scientific explanation.
Whether it occurred or did not we really do not know thus its based on faith and not science. We know species seems to have emerged in stages of complexity according to fossil record, yet we have yet to see how they evolved from each other. Science have shown certain hypothesis and predictions had it occurred, but has yet to show HOW could it have occurred.
Was Adam's wife made FROM Adam?
It might be inconsistent but it's the best we have.
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Was Adam's wife made FROM Adam?
It might be inconsistent but it's the best we have.
Yes as far as I know or maybe they were made together..
As far as its the best we have, science does not operate that way. The problem with Darwanist is they are putting more beef on the science they have and also not interpreting the results fairly. Then they attack other scientist who do not support their conclusions and try to have them banned and banished from the science community(like Sunni Islam ;D) as the sad case with the recent incident with Iowa State and Guillermo Gonzalez one of the authors of the excellent book "The priveleged Planet".
http//www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25570.html