Questions for Quran upholders
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As you can clearly see, their so-called questions are all answered easily through the Quran and logic. Those who have splitted up Islam into sects and make Islam a religion instead of a Divine System, will never attain the Glory Allah has promised in the Quran.
As the blind following of the Hadith and Tafseers, writings which were made by the people who tried to destroy the Quranic System, will block them from the Glory the first generations of Muslims attained.
Those who make sects in the Deen, we have nothing to do with them
6159 (There is only one Straight Path) O Messenger! Those who break the unity of their DEEN and become sects, you have nothing to do with them whatsoever. Indeed, their case will go to God and He will then tell them what they had been doing.
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Those who break this ratified Bond of God and cut asunder the
unity of mankind that God has commanded them to uphold - into
races, colors, sects and regions, and thus lay the foundation of
chaos on earth, those will be the losers in the long run. (933-34,
9111, 1019, 1320-24, 3128, 836, 1141)933 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the True
Religion (DEEN = The System of Life), that He may cause it to prevail over all religions and systems of life, even though the idolaters may detest it. (931-33, 1331, 1448, 1848, 4153, 4828, 5120-21, 619)934 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! A great many religious leaders, rabbis, priests, monks, Mullas, yogis, and mystics devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and debar them from the Path of God. All those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the Cause of God, to them give tidings (O Prophet) of a painful doom. (Ahbaar = Clergy of any religion. Ruhbaan = Sufis & Monks)
2176 This is so, because God has revealed the Book in absolute
Truth, therein is no contradiction. Obviously, those who set their
own views against the Book, split deeply into sects and fall into
mutual disputes.3103 You must hold fast, all of you together, to the Bond of God
and be not divided into sects. (The Bond or Rope of God is the
Quran which is an Unbreakable Support 2256) Always, remember
Gods Favor upon you when you were enemies and, almost
overnight, He brought mutual affection in your hearts. Thus, you
became brothers and sisters by His Grace. And recall that you
were on the brink of the pit of fire, and He saved you from it.
(Various tribes used to attack one another, and personal enmity
plagued them) This is how effectively God has made His
Messages clear for you to journey on the lighted road. (6165,
3031-32, 'Huda' = Guidance = Walk the right path = Travel on a
lighted road)3104 Let yours be the community (in the world) that rises up and
invites unto all that is collectively good. Advocate virtue by
example, and close the doors to vice by example. For, such are
they, they who are truly successful and eternally prosper.What Allah says about the Quran in the Quran
-There is no doubt in this Book (22).
-Allah has taken the responsibility to explain it (7519).
-Allah says He has revealed the Quran and He will protect it (159).
-Allahs revelation to the Prophet (PBUH) is written in the Quran (619). There is no verse in the Quran which says that Allahs revelation to the Prophet (PBUH) is outside the Quran.
-Momineen are asked to obey the revelation from Allah (73).
-The Prophet (PBUH) was asked to obey the revelation sent down on him (10109).
-He was asked to follow the Quran (751.
-Allah required the Prophet (PBUH) to follow the blessed Book sent down on him (6155).
-The Prophet (PBUH) used to judge matters according to the revelation sent down on him (54.
-Those who do not judge matters according to what Allah has revealed are Kaafirs (544).
-In the Quran, Allah has completed His message and no one can change anything in it (634, 6115).
-The Quran encompasses the message of earlier revelations (54. So, the truth of earlier revelations is now contained in the Quran.
-In it there are no contradictions (482).
-Allah has called the Quran "Tibyaanan li Kulli Shaiyin (1689)". This means it explains everything.
-Allah gives many verses on a particular topic over and over again (6105, 1741). This means that we have to collect all the verses on a topic in order to understand it fully. This is the Divine method of understanding the Quran.
-The Prophet (PBUH) was required to solve all human differences through the Quran (1664).
-The Prophet (PBUH) was required to admonish and remind people through the Quran (5045).
-The Quran itself is light (515). So, it is not dependent on another source of light.
-This light (i.e., the Quran) has been given so that human beings, using this light, can travel safely on the path of life (6122).
-Allah undertook the responsibility to collect the Quran (7517).
-Whatever difference human beings have, the decision is with Allah (4210).What do we know about the Quran, and what do we know about Hadith and Sunnah
-The Quran is the final word of God.
-It has been preserved exactly as it was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH).
-The Prophet (PBUH) left only the Quran in written form since he forbade writing of hadith during his life time (Sahih Al-Muslim).
-The Quran was written by very honorable scribes (8016).
-There were many companions who had memorized the entire Quran word by word.
-Unlike the authenticity of hadith, there is no dispute among scholars (Sunni or Shiia) about the authenticity of the Quranic verses.
-There are six Sunni books of hadith which are normally referred to as "sahha sitta" (six true books). Shiias have their own four important books of -hadith. These were compiled and written based on (a chain of) oral narration mostly in the third century Hijrah or later.
-Scholars agree that the chain of narrators transmitted the meaning of hadith and not the exact words of the Prophet (PBUH).
-It is generally agreed that the chain of narrators, no matter how reliable, were humans and subject to human errors. Consequently, their narrations -are subject to errors. The Quran is the only Book beyond error.
-As a consequence, ahadith are classified into several categories starting from "correct" on one side to "coined" on the other. (Verses of the Quran do not have such classification.)
-Shiia scholars do not accept Sunni books of hadith. Even among the Sunnis, there are some ahadith which are accepted as correct by one group of scholars (Ahlul-Hadith, for example) but not by other groups (like Ahlul Fiqh and others).
-The authenticity of hadith is not equal to the authenticity of the verses of the Quran.
-"The sayings of the Prophet (PBUH) and the sayings we find in the books of ahadith are not necessarily one and the same." (Maulana Maududi, Rasayel-o-Massayel, Volume I, 1951 edition, page 270).-Sahih Bukhari This was compiled by Imam Muhammad Ismail Bukhari. He was born in Bukhara and died near Samarqand in 256 A.H. (or in 260 A.H.). It is said that he collected about 600,000 ahaadith. From these he selected about 7,300 for his book, having discarded the rest.
-Sahih Muslim This was compiled by Imam Muslim Bin Hujjaj. He was born in 204 A.H. in the famous Iranian city of Nishapur and died in 261 A.H. He collected about 300,000 ahaadith and selected 4,348 for his book.
-Tirmidhi This was compiled by Imam Abu Isa Muhammad Tirmidhi. He was born in the Iranian city of Tirmidh in 209 A.H. and died in 279 A.H.. He collected 300,000 ahaadith and selected 3,115.
-Abu Daawood He was born in 202 A.H. in the Iranian city of Sistaan and died in 275 A.H. He collected 500,000 ahaadith and kept only 4,800 in his book.
-Ibn Maaja This was compiled by Imam Abu Abdullah Muhammad Bin Zayd Ibn Maaja. He was from the Iranian city of Qazwin. He was born in 209 A.H. and died in 273 A.H. He collected 400,000 ahaadith and selected only 4,000 for his book.
-Nisayee This was compiled by Imam Abdul Rahman Nisayee. He was born in the village of Nisa in the province of Khurasaan in Iran. He died in 303 A.H. He collected 200,000 and selected 4,321 for his book.The Quran is Islam, all else is human interpretation and recording of History and understanding and thus can NEVER have authoriy over the Quran, the Quran has the authority over ALL else.
251 Most Blessed is He Who has revealed to His servant, the Criterion of the right and the wrong so that it might be a warning to the entire world.
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Peace, Arnold..
Nice article. I found the part about the ritual prayer especially interesting. It reminds me of a post I made last year which shows how ridiculous is the method of ritual prayer that the sectarians claim they have learned from their alleged "Sunna"pf Muhamad.
I will copy paste it here
The Sunnis , in their prayers , tend to address God from the 3rd person point of view ( as though God is not present ) ,while addressing the prophet from the 1st person point of view, as if he is still with us, and listening to our prayer!
Furthermore, they recite Quranic verses like parrots, when these verses should logically not be spoken during a prayer.
I'll elaborate more
Prayer should be a form of calling upon GOD, and establishing a link with Him. This means that the words/phrases recited during a prayer should be in the form of conversing with God directly ( in the present tense and first person point of view ). This is the true form of a "dua" ( prayer ).
Yet the sunni, during his prayer will say nonsense things that have no place in a dua to God. For example
1111 Condemned is the hand of Abu-Lahab; condemned indeed.
1112 His money will not avail him, nor what he has earned.
1113 He will be sent to a flaming Fire.
1114 And his wife who carries the logs.
1115 On her neck will be a rope of thorns.Now I will say to the sunni
"What is the occasion of these verses"??
He will reply
"God is telling us that Abu Lahab and his wife are going to Hell"
So I will say
"Why are you saying it in your prayer?? What place does it have in a dua that should be made to God?"
He will shrug his shoulders and say
"It's from the Quran. My sheikh sez you can recite anything from the Quran during prayer".Another example
After reciting the Fatiha, he will recite sura 110.
1101 When God's victory and conquest comes.
1102 And you see mankind entering into God's system in flocks.
1103 You shall glorify your Lord's grace, and seek His forgiveness. He is the Redeemer.Again the same problem.
God is addressing his prophet in these verses, and telling him about a prophecy that will come to pass.. Why does the sunni repeat these words during a prayer to God?
In my opinion this is absurd.
Another example
1141 Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,"
1142 "The King of mankind,"
1143 "The god of mankind,"
1144 "From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,"
1145 "Who whispers into the chests of mankind,"
1146 "From among the Jinn and mankind."Is it proper to recite this verse during a prayer (dua) to God??
This is a command from God to his prophet which begins with the command word "Say"
Do you recite it in your prayer? Do you repeat the word like a parrot?To whom are you issuing the command to "Say" ?
to God??So as you can see, the absurdity of the method of their ritual prayer proves that they could not have learned it from the prophet.
Other points I would like to elaborate are
1- the matter of "shortening" the prayer during travel
2- the matter of breaking your fast when traveling.The sectarians will say "How do you know what the distance is? Is it mentioned in the Quran? "
THe idea that they can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that the Quran is for ALL times. And God, who revealed it, knows that a time will come when means of travel will be more advanced.
The sectarians will say that the distance which allows you to break your fast is around 40 km. They claim that the prophet revealed it during hadith.
Is traveling 40 km on camel back, under the scorching desert sun, the same as driving the distance in your air-conditioned Lexus on a highway, with cruise control activated and listening to music?? Nowadays, a distance of 40 km is trversable in less than half an hour.
Do I still have to break my fast?? Is the distance of 40 km revealed by God? Or was it dictated by a scholar of the 9th century ( in which the sectarians are still living?)
Imagine, 50 years from now, we have spectacular advancements in science, allowing us to "warp" from one place to another. You enter a pod, press a button, and PRESTO!! you're in Japan!!
Do I still have to break my fast if I travel 40 km???
Now you see what happens when you use HADITHS to "complete" the Quran..
2- Regarding the "shortening" of prayer from 4 units to 2 when traveling, this also has no basis in the Quran.
I will explain more (Again, I will copy/paste from an older thread)
I think it would be better to quote the verses in question , starting from .
4101
4102
4103Now I would like your opinion on 4101.
The sectarians interpret this verse as follows If you are traveling a certain distance "X" , then it is OK ( some actually say it is "WAJIB" ) to shorten your prayers ( from 4 "raka3at" to 2 "raka3at" ) They will then seek fatwas from their gods ( mullahs ) , concerning what this distance is. ( The distance is fixed and cannot be changed until the end of time , because their Mullah said so ).But the truth is that 4101 is not talking about just any kind of travel..It is being more specific. It's talking about a certain travel that can bring hardship to the faithful, because they will be passing through enemy territory
Proof The verse immediately following it, ( 4102 - the one you have quoted ), talks about performing the physical aspect of "salat" in SHIFTS, at times of danger, and assumes that the Prophet is among the faithful. One group would prostrate themselves, while another would guard them, then they would switch roles. The verse also talks about hardships due to extreme weather conditions ( Note here how God ALWAYS uses the word "" in a negative way - this was subject of a debate on an older thread which I cannot seem to find).
Is this really applicable today? Can you think of an instance now, in the 21 Century, when we can travel vast distances in air-conditionned / heated cars, of such hardships in travel?? According to the Mullah, if I travel a distance of X Kilometers then I MUST "shorten" my prayers ?? How ridiculous is this ? Is driving X Kilometers in an air-conditioned car, on an asphalt road, with your cruise control on, and listening to music, the same as riding on a camel's back with the hot desert winds blowing in your face continuously??
The only instance I can think of is a case of a civil-religious war, where a person would be travelling in his car in enemy territory, and decides to stop her / his car, get out, and perform a physical prayer in the open.
Furthermore, does the verse really say "SHORTEN" your prayer??
If this is true, then the verse is not making sense, since there is no other verse in the Reading ( that I'm aware of ) which states exactly how long the prayer should be - wether in terms of unit "raka3ats" or time in minutes.The sectarians claim that the verse is giving them a license to shorten their prayers from 4 unit "raka3as" to 2.
This is absurd for 2 reasons1- Why does travelling X kilometers or more give you this license? What's the point?
2- If there is a danger of enemies seeing you, then "shortening" from 4 to 2 will not get you anywhere, because as soon as you are prostrating and not paying attention to your surroundings, you will be killed. So, wether you do 4 "raka3a" or 2, the result is the same DEATH.The sectarians don't seem to understand the second point, because they are interpreting the verse as mentioning travel for the sake of travel. The truth is, that it's not ANY kind of travel which gives you this license, but only when there is DANGER ( enemies ) or extreme weather conditions.
So I have come to the conclusion that the verse is not saying "SHORTEN" your prayers, but rather it is saying "DO NOT PERFORM PHYSICAL "SALAT" AT ALL ". ( or, more precisley " do not perform the full physical form of salat - the one that calls for prostarting yourself" ).
The word being used is "" . This word can have 2 meanings
- If we stress the letter "" It will mean "shorten"
- If we do not stress it, it will mean something else entirely...
Do you see what I'm trying to get at?
My understanding is therefore as follows
1- The verse is talking about changing / simplifying the FORM of the physical "salat" in such a way that it will not include physical prostration, and NOt shortening the unit "raka3as" as the sectarians claim.
2- This license is to be done only when there is a danger to one's life ( enemies around ) or extreme weather conditions.
Your feedback is welcome..
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Someone should send Arnold a boatload of flowers!
A bit more than that.
Too bad all that text falls on blind eyes...
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Salaam Aleikum all,
Many of my answers I gathered from many great scholars, so please read the sources to give the due credit to the correct people. And Pazuzu, as I told you before, you have a very good and original way of addressing the traditionalists. Keep it coming.
I was reading the questioners own "Sunnah" answers to the questions he has given. I will address them also one by one when I have time.
But here is already one that collapses on its own argument
- Prophesies of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came true from hadith. Thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) except the Quran. How do you explain this?
His answer
Some argue that the Prophet did not know the unseen; therefore we cannot appeal to these hadith that prophesize the future. They argue by quoting verses from the Qur'an such as Surah 7188 and Surah 469. However, no one argued that the Prophet knew these things BY HIMSELF. The verses quoted prove that the Prophet could not know on the unseen his own, but that does not mean that God can inform him.Is this all he can give? Oh, this doesn't rule out that the Prophet was told outside of the Quran....?????????? Would a courtroom or a scientist accept this explanation? No, it is based on an interpretation that has no evidence at all, AND goes against the Quranic verses that all the Revelation can only be found IN the QUran, plus, it would create a contradiction.
If the Prophet received prophecies through outside Revelation, then why did God left these out of the Quran, but for example left these in?
302 The Romans have been defeated.
303 In the lands close-by; yet it is they, who despite this defeat of theirs, shall
be victorious.304 Within ten years! For with God is the Command in the Past and in the
Future. And on that day the believers too will have cause to rejoice.Can he give us ONE convincing reason why this prophecy was in the Quran, and the others were not?
Why were these "important" prophecies left to be mixed up in very confusing history books?241 Do not trade my revelations of great value for something which is cheap.
So bits and pieces of 'Revelations' that are found in history books are equal to the Quran, the above verse reminds me immediately...
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Thank you brother Arnold for answering these question. I remember visiting this website and their questions. Its just shame they have no ideas of real Quranic message, and they love to repeat these questions instead of looking for the answers in the quran with the same questions.
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It is very populair under the Truth seeking elite of educated people. But for the mass, it is on a to high level. So the mullahs just say they are kafirs, and the mass will believe it.
But TolueIslam has left its marks for sure, and are still making it. Only the organisation I personally believe is not done properly. They could have introduced many new writers, but only allowed a few to write.
We want to give this all a new kickstart at the upcoming new Ourbeacon site.
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Wow, really good clarifying posts, brother Arnold!!! bravo
I'm very happy to see all these questions and answers in the same place - making clarity and further encouraging confidence in studying from God's scripture, seeking & asking from Him for His guidance.
May God Bless you for such great sincere logic & efforts to compile such complete answers to the many questions that many face so often in their minds and in their lives.
May God Guide and Bless.
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Arnold's article should indeed be archived. However, before doing so I think it is important to provide accurate references for the hadiths mentioned (the books and numbers) because some people want to verify things by themselves while they are not very familiar with hadith books. I think brother Rasulhamza 'The Hadith Hunter' would be of great help in this task.
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Another article well done!
I totally agree when it comes to the verses recited during prayer. They must fit the purpose of prayer verses that implores god, glorifying Him. But all around, I hear the Sunnis reciting whatever verses from the Quran that they know of without knowing the actual meaning.
For example, should a person utter these verses during prayer to Allah?
"I am God, there is no god but Me, so serve Me and hold the connection for My remembrance." (2014).
The above verse if recited during prayer is absurd and ridiculous! How can the person claim to be God, and asks God to perform solat to remember him?? &
Another example
"And they ask you about menstruation? Say "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you." God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed." (2222)
Why on earth would you talk about menstruation in front of God in solat/prayer?? It's ridiculous. I found it funny when people recite those kinds of verses. It makes me laugh to my knees. rotfl
Verses with "Say..." in them
I do recite verses with "Say" infront of them. But I REMOVE the word say, and just recite the words after it. For example
1141 Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,"
1142 "The King of mankind,"
1143 "The god of mankind,"
1144 "From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,"
1145 "Who whispers into the chests of mankind,"
1146 "From among the Jinn and mankind."The surah starts from "Qul a'uzubirab binnas...". But I remove the "Qul" in front and just recite the words after it "A'uzubirab binnas..." ("I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind". ! Those who use their brains and understand Arabic will remove the "Qul" from their recitation. Those who are stupid and just recite things like a parrot will include the "Qul" therefore asking God to say the verse instead. Astagfirullah!
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I do recite verses with "Say" infront of them. But I REMOVE the word say, and just recite the words after it. For example
1141 Say "I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,"
1142 "The King of mankind,"
1143 "The god of mankind,"
1144 "From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,"
1145 "Who whispers into the chests of mankind,"
1146 "From among the Jinn and mankind."The surah starts from "Qul a'uzubirab binnas...". But I remove the "Qul" in front and just recite the words after it "A'uzubirab binnas..." ("I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind". ! Those who use their brains and understand Arabic will remove the "Qul" from their recitation. Those who are stupid and just recite things like a parrot will include the "Qul" therefore asking God to say the verse instead. Astagfirullah!
Salaam Ahmed,
I understand that Muslims take certain verses and surahs from the Quran to recite back to their Lord senselessly. But saying "I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind" is equally senseless.
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mmm i do not see it as senseless - if u are in prayer (whatever style u do!) and communicating with God - praying to him to seek refuge with him seems fine to me.... whats ur perspective?
There's a big difference between taking "refuge with Him" and taking "refuge in Him", don't you think? Besides, how would you know?