Is Maryam from the NCRI/MEK a Quran only leader/Imam?
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Salam Baradar..
It's nice to see countrymen at this forum Nima
I hope more iranians will the find the truth, and start to follow Quran alone.
Yeah, i think they are following a kind of liberal shia-Islamic way. Because i've heard that they are following Ali Shariati's teachings.
They seem to mostly follow the Quran, but also accept some of the shia ways. They reject Lots of hadiths to i think.
They have done lots of big mistakes in the past that has destroyed their trust, and most iranians don't accept them. As i said earlier i think their intentions are good dough, but they make some bad decision. If they are funded by Usa, they are doing a big mistake..
Layth, do you think it would be a good idea to contact Maryam Rajavi?
Maybe it will be a good idea to introduce Quran only way to them. Because as we see they reject lot of the principals of the traditional Islam, and their principals and laws is based on democracy and human rights, +++
What is your opinion brother Layth?
Peace D
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Peace David,
Layth, do you think it would be a good idea to contact Maryam Rajavi?
Maybe it will be a good idea to introduce Quran only way to them. Because as we see they reject lot of the principals of the traditional Islam, and their principals and laws is based on democracy and human rights, +++
Absolutely! We cannot judge the heart of people until we speak to them and show them the truth God`s message. Who knows, maybe she and her group are close to accepting a total embrace of the Quran and nothing but the Quran.
We should not be like the children of Israel who were condemned by God for hoarding information which kept people from the knowledge and the guidance...We should be a beacon of light to call the people of the world back from the edge of the abyss they have taken us to.
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It is a sectarian act. Sectarian Jews and Christians also wear it
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peace OPF,
I'm not sure what you mean, but I shall clarify what I meant by "sectarian act" an act which implies you belong to a sect, and in this case, a sect out with a 'quran based islam', i.e. an act that cannot be found in al quran.
If you or Layth are suggesting wearing a headscarf is a "sectarian act" (as defined above) I would like to see some evidence.
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Salam Nadeem,
Good post. Do you happen to recall the verse you are referring to? Couldn't find it.
And God took the covenant of those who were given the Scripture ?You will make it clear to the people and not conceal it.? But they threw it behind their backs and purchased with it a cheap price. Miserable indeed is what they have purchased.(3187)O people of the Scripture, why do you dress the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?(371)Hi Wakas,
If you or Layth are suggesting wearing a headscarf is a "sectarian act" (as defined above) I would like to see some evidence.
The person being discussed here
Maryamlives in the US and preaches her anti-Iranian message there. A quick glance at her website shows all her pictures donning the sectarien Hijab. A scarf by definition is a peice of cloth worn infrequently and mostly as a protection from the cold.What she is wearing is a Hijab, not a scarf.
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Peace Layth.
I understand. I also understand that God has given a certain leeway when it comes to ones apparel, as the best garment is that of <i>taqwa</i> . A person who sees the hijab as a part of their taqwa, surely they should wear it?
I agree, however, that attributing lies to God is unacceptable.
Nadeem
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peace Layth,
Thanks for the reply. I never said wearing of a headscarf was mandatory.
There are a few interesting issues which come to mind about this point
Both 56 and 443 address men. We have assumed it has referred to both. Is this assumption valid?
It would be interesting to see if there were other examples in AQ similar to 56 and 443 in which it MUST refer to both but only addresses men. I have not researched this point.
AQ does say as-salat is for both men & women, e.g. 971
I am not aware of any regular/timed slw examples given in AQ involving women. I know bro mh or zlatan felt that the regular/timed slw command was only upon men. I never really researched this point but I cannot see any reason why this would be the case.
If there was a communal/group example of slw in AQ involving women, then that would disprove covering of the head as mandatory.
Has the word "khimaar" been used in any other sense in a Classical Arabic dictionary when referring to women other than a "headcover"? -
Peace bro Wakas, all,
The call to connection on the day of gathering in 629 starts with "yaa ayyuhallazeena aamanoo", which obviously includes both believing men and women, so women can congregate with men for salaat.
Similarly, 2153 and 2277 address both believing men and women.
As for the other points that have been brought up regarding "khimaar", they were covered in a recent heated discussion involving me at the following thread
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14453.0
My participation started with reply #121 on page 9.
Two points
- "Khimaar" also covers the lower face in addition to head according to Lane's, when used in the sense of a head cover. Thus it would be a "head and lower face cover", and not just "head cover".
The full definition of "khimaar" according to Lane's Lexicon pertaining to "head cover"
Khimaar
- Khumur is the plural of "khimaar" and "khimirr", both of which also mean "ANY COVERING of a thing" or "ANYTHING by which a thing is veiled, or covered" according to Lane's Lexicon (Book 1, page 809, also see under the root Kh-M-R in Project Root List, LL Volume 2, page 445)
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peace Layth,
There are a few interesting issues which come to mind about this point
Both 56 and 443 address men. We have assumed it has referred to both. Is this assumption valid?
It would be interesting to see if there were other examples in AQ similar to 56 and 443 in which it MUST refer to both but only addresses men.Salaam Wakas
In fact, the whole qur'aan is addressing both genders in the generic male form, except when it is addressing specific females (e.g wives of the prophet; mariam..). In other words, it addresses the generic male, exceptionally gendered male and gendered female.
However, I think I understand what you mean. Is verse 55; 629 something you are looking for?
Has the word "khimaar" been used in any other sense in a Classical Arabic dictionary when referring to women other than a "headcover"?
Men headcover.
Lisaanul3arab says under "khimaar"
For men cover of the head; for women it is called "naSeef".
Looking up "naSeef"
It is said that it is the head cover, but the famous poet Annaabighal Thubiaani used it to mean something like a "sarong". Another linguist says it is an "overall", worn over all the woman's clothes.It seems that lisaanul3arab does not have a clear cut meaning for "head cover for women", it just says "it is said that..". However, it is used in hadeeth literature as head cover for men (specifically mentioned in relation to the prophet) according to lisaanul3arab
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peace,
Thanks for the extra info.
Bro. Tanveer, are you sure Lane says "khimaar" can mean "ANY COVERING of a thing" or "ANYTHING by which a thing is veiled, or covered". In Lane this description follows "khimirr".
629 is a possibility.
Sis. Samia, 55 refers to dowries, which makes it more male-specific. I understand AQ primarily addresses men (or as you said the generic male) but I know from experience AQ's word choice is always precise so when things are specific I like to take this into account.
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Sis. Samia, 55 refers to dowries, which makes it more male-specific. I understand AQ primarily addresses men (or as you said the generic male) but I know from experience AQ's word choice is always precise so when things are specific I like to take this into account.
Salaam Wakas
Simple. Just as you change the address to the feminine, the related "mu7Sanaat" becomes "mu7Saneen", remove the dowery part (if it is irrelevant) for women. More logical than shifting the address in the middle of the verse for no reason from the generic to the gendered masculine, not even after a coma; or making the food of the "ahlul kitaab" '7alaal' to men only.
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Peace bro Wakas,
Bro. Tanveer, are you sure Lane says "khimaar" can mean "ANY COVERING of a thing" or "ANYTHING by which a thing is veiled, or covered". In Lane this description follows "khimirr".
It gives definitions of "khimaar" and then says as also "khimirr"; does that not make them synonymous ?
Anyway, the word used in the Qur'aan is "khumur" which is also the plural of "khimirr", and can thus mean "any coverings".
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Salaam
In 2460 elderly women are allowed to do away with their dresses/thiyab/ thawb without displaying their beauty/attraction. Can someone give an analysis of this verse.
Can this imply an outer garment although the word used is ?thiyab??
If thiyab means dress/garment why no mention of as separate veil if the veil is necessary?
What is the clear definition of zeenat according to this verse ?
Is it possible to take of the thawb and still conceal the beauty?
