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This is why so many people believe in ghosts, spirits and the paranormal

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    jonny_k
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    Peace "Ilisa",

    Greetings again jonny_k,

    Just when it was starting to look like we were getting somewhere with this, I've just been to Randi's site and I was reading the terms for the JREF Million Dollar Challenge and I came up against this road block

    "12. This offer is not open to any and all persons. Before being considered as an applicant, the person applying must satisfy two conditions First, he/she must have a ?media presence,? which means having been published, written about, or known to the media in regard to his/her claimed abilities or powers. This can be established by producing articles, videos, books, or other published material that specifically addresses the person?s abilities. Second, he/she must produce at least one signed document from an academic who has witnessed the powers or abilities of the person, and will validate that these powers or abilities have been verified."

    I am not a 'media presence'. So, now what to do?

    JK- Yeah i forgot to tell you that. Theyve changed the rules i beleive at the beginning of this year since too much people were applying without any significant results so Randi wanted to focus on the more famous people in order to expose them since theyr misleading many. But dont let that sacre you. Do write to the JREF and if they wont accept ask themwhether they have any smaller communities, related to them and whose testimonies they accept, in the US and whether you could perform ceratin preliminary tests thre first. once you pass those Randi will surely invite you to take the major test in his own presence. Good luck and GOD Bless! sun

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      ILisa
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      Greetings jonny_k,

      Okay. Done. I'll let you know what comes of it....

      Thanks.

      Lisa

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          ILisa
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          .....I'm back. And this is what I got from JREF (Alison Smith to be exact)

          Lisa Newlin,

          Thank you for your interest in the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge.

          We do not allow any testing protocols that involve injury or risk to the volunteers. There is simply no way to control exactly how injured someone gets when you try to bruise them.

          I would not be surprised at all if Arnica Montana could reduce swelling in a patient. However, an herb is not the same thing as a homeopathic remedy. A homeopathic remedy is diluted to the point where you can honestly say that throwing seven molecules of the active ingredient in the ocean and then drinking some of the Pacific would be equally effective.

          If you are saying that a homeopathic remedy of Arnica Montana would reduce swelling, then I suggest you come up with other viable ways of testing that and apply.

          However, keep in mind that the testing is under time constraints. Whoever was using the remedy could not leave the sight of the testers after they had used it, and the amount of time we would ask volunteers to devote to the test would have to be reasonable.

          Thank you again for your interest,

          JREF Challenge Desk

          Doesn't seem that their biggest concern is proving whether homeopathy truly works or not, but rather finding a way to offer the Million Dollar Challenge, but not really! P

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            jonny_k
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            Peace "Ilisa",
            Ok well tell them you could get hold of a perosn who already has swellings so theres no need to induce any, and then apply the remedy. GOD Bless!

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              It works then, but not so dramatically, because the physical symptoms by that time are already well-established. Especially for making a point, it works best when the injury is still quite new and there are fewer extraneous factors that will be affecting the rate of healing.

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                jonny_k
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                Peace "ilisa",
                It should jsut work, doesnt need to be 100%. You could also try and find people whos injuries are only recent if you say then it would work more efficiently. GOD Bless!

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                  ILisa
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                  Greetings jonny_k,

                  I was thinking.....we could do a study with the Emergency Room or even ambulance crews. We could have a homeopath ride with the EMT's and administer homeopathic remedies to the trauma patients for a week and compare the stastics to a 'normal' week of trauma patients and their outcomes.... or something like that.....

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                    Peace "Ilisa",

                    Greetings jonny_k,

                    I was thinking.....we could do a study with the Emergency Room or even ambulance crews. We could have a homeopath ride with the EMT's and administer homeopathic remedies to the trauma patients for a week and compare the stastics to a 'normal' week of trauma patients and their outcomes.... or something like that.....

                    JK- Yes excellent idea. Please inform the JREF of this if you havnt already. GOD Bless!

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                      Greetings jk,

                      I've sent off the new study idea to Alison. I'll let you know what comes of this one....

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                        Peace "ilisa",

                        Greetings jk,

                        I've sent off the new study idea to Alison. I'll let you know what comes of this one....

                        JK- Is "alison" an associate of the JREF? GOD Bless!

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                          Greetings jonny_k,

                          Yes, Alison is the person who replied when I sent my email to the JREF foundation via the address listed for the Million Dollar Challenge. No one has yet replied back to my second email.....

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                            http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6960612.stm

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