Marrying someone of the same sex?
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Peace "angel",
yes he is.
JK- As i said from the Quranic perspective male HS has to be harmful to other indivual human beings. Talking from that perspective GOD cannot be homophobic. Yes the Quran MAY be wrong but the probbaility of that as I and many other independent reaseachers see it is terribly low.
I know.
they were probably carried out by homophobic monotheists who probably have smaller brains then the people they were studying.
JK- Sorry it's the INAH-3 in the brain which is smaller than that of straight men. Goto http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality and click on "Physiological differences in gay men and lesbians".
a complete load of BS
more BS.
More BS
JK- Apparently you don't have much knowledge of the human immune system and/or how evolution works.
That is what I was saying all along!
JK- And where does the Quran throw them in those categories? Remeber you were accusing the Quran of being wrong by it terming male hs wrong. GOD Bless!
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J humans have been having anal sex since god knows how many years, many heterosexual couples indulge in it too. If there was a horrendous disease it would cause then the world health organisations would ban anal sex and everyone would shun the practice.
Besides humans have a very effective immune system, and immunology is a complex subject, did you know that Khalil, Wakas and Anwar eat raw meat and have not experience terrible problems?
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To Angel With Love
No one is born "gay." There is no such thing as a homosexual or lesbian gene. Religious considerations aside, this issue IS about science that sodomites and lesbians refuse to address. They will do anything to stay away from the issue of science because they know there isn't a scintilla of scientific evidence to back up their argument. Because no one is born homosexual or lesbian, one can only consider their behavior as abnormal, queer, perverted, filthy and nothing more than a sexual fetish that is a public health hazard. This IS the dialogue that should be the main focus No one can prove scientifically that any human is born queer, therefore, there is nothing to discriminate against. There are no special rights due those who prefer perverted sex because no one is "born that way."Thanks to
Devvy KiddBesides the fact that the life span of a homosexual male is about 38 years if age, the diseases spread by their perverted sexual preferences is massive. According to Dr. Ben Joseph, a retired internal medicine physician in California, the discussion regarding homosexuals and lesbians should be centered on the issue of public health, not civil rights or discrimination
"Homosexuality is not normal. It is a filthy and germ ridden sexual perversion. It is killing people. The health department exists to discover the sources of diseases and eradicate them. Somehow, homosexuality with all of its harmful effects has escaped scrutiny. I know the gay community is powerful and has friends in all the high places, but this is ridiculous. To introduce homosexuality to our public schools as just another normal lifestyle is appalling. It's as normal as wanting to get hit over the head with a baseball bat.
The CDC statistics show an overall increase of 5.1% in AIDS infections in the U.S. between 1999-2002. Homosexual and bisexual infection rates have increased 17%, the highest among other groups studied.
Anal sex is dangerous, it's filthy and the cost to human life is simply awful. Here's a short laundry list of what sexual deviancy brings to the participant (Anal) Douches, Lubricants Allergic reactions, Rectal fatty tumors Active Fellatio Physical abrasions, Oral gonorrhea, Herpes progenitalis I and II, Nongonococcal pharyngitis (Chlamidia and others), Oral condyloma acuminatum, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, Enteric diseases, Lymphogranuloma veneered, Granola inquinale, Chancroid Passive Fellatio Herpes type 1 and 2, Nongonococcol urethritis (Chlamidia and others), Gonorrhea, Neisseria meningitidis. Anal Intercourse, Active Nongonococcol urethritis, Escherichia coli, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A, B, non-A/non-B, Herpes, Warts -molluscum and condyloma, Syphilis, Trichomoniasis, Epididymitis/prostatitis, Fungal infections, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus.
Anal Intercourse, Passive Physical pretties, Rectal gonorrhea, Warts -condyloma and molluscum (rare), Nonspecific proctitis (Chlamidia and others), Herpes, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, Trichomoniasis, Corynebacterium, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, Candidiasis. Analinction (dung-eating, "rimming" Enteric diseases Gay bowel syndrome (explained below) PLUS Escherichia coli and Helminthic parasites, Oral warts, Oral gonorrhea, Syphilis, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid. Fist/Finger Insertion, Passive Internal scrapes, Anal sphincter tears, Perforations of the colon, Acute abdomen, having to wear a diaper. Toys/Apparatus Allergic reactions, Friction dermatitis, Physical torsions, Varicoceles, Peyronie's disease, Fungal infections, Lost rectal objects, Testicular strangulation ("cock rings".
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To Angel with Love
Even today in country like Australia;Tasmania and Queensland are the jurisdictions that still enforces a sodomy law - with the age of consent for anal sex being set at 18 (as compared to 16 for vaginal and oral sex in Queensland) and in Tasmania, Offcourse they feel that it is dangerous as compared to natrual sex.In a notable case in 2002, a man who had anal intercourse with a teenager was sentenced to three and a half years in prison in China
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J humans have been having anal sex since god knows how many years, many heterosexual couples indulge in it too. If there was a horrendous disease it would cause then the world health organisations would ban anal sex and everyone would shun the practice.
Besides humans have a very effective immune system, and immunology is a complex subject, did you know that Khalil, Wakas and Anwar eat raw meat and have not experience terrible problems?
With all due respect, comparing the eating of raw meat to homosexuality is just ridiculous. The vast majority of animals eat raw meat and very few are homosexual.
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Peace,
Ra-Jah, with love, kisses and hugs group
Besides the fact that the life span of a homosexual male is about 38 years if age
if there are large scale statistics proving this then I will believe it.
The CDC statistics show an overall increase of 5.1% in AIDS infections in the U.S. between 1999-2002. Homosexual and bisexual infection rates have increased 17%, the highest among other groups studied.
Don't blame AIDS on them, I implore you to research 'Peter Duesberg'.
since the quran is fully detailed why didn't Allah specifically talk about anal sex, sure anal sex is a disgusting practice, but surely a condom can prevent those STI's?
There are many homosexual couples that don't have sex, my sex education teacher said only 1 in 4 gay men had anal intercourse, and there are a lot of heterosexual couples that have anal sex.
the diseases spread by their perverted sexual preferences is massive.
worse then carrots and barley eh? D
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Angel
if there are large scale statistics proving this then I will believe it.
Well following are on large scale
As early as 1858, G. Tardieu reported on the age distribution of males imprisoned in France for sodomy. Of the 216 who ages were given, the age range from under 15 to 69, with a median age of under 25. Eliminating all under 18, the median age rises to almost 40.
In 1914, M. Hirschfeld reported on German males convicted of involvement in sodomy. The age distribution ranged from under 15 to over 50, with the median of 24 years. Since "over 50" was the last category, we cannot determine just how many, if any, attain the age of 65. But only 9 % were over 50.
In the late 1930s and 1940s, Kinsey and his investigators spent more than 12 years seeking out and interviewing homosexuals. Because Kinsey and his colleagues were regarded as sexual liberators, homosexuals were eager to volunteer for his study. There is no reason to believe that his sample was not representative of all age groups available. Yet fewer than 1% of his homosexuals, male as well as female, were over the age of 65.
The Mattachine Society, the earliest of the "gay rights" organizations, gathered together a representative group of homosexuals for Evelyn Hooker to study in her highly influential 1950s study. The oldest of the 30 subjects was 50, the next oldest was 44, and the median age was 33.
In the early 1960s, Berger attempted to draw a sampling of elderly homosexuals, but had to begin his scale at 40 years and only 34 of 112 were over the age of 59,
From 1969 through 1970, the Kinsey Institute surveyed homosexuals in San Francisco. Although they recruited respondents in eight different ways, only 23% of male homosexuals and only 18% of lesbians were over the age of 45, despite the fact that the investigators tried for 25% from this age group. Their initial decision to draw only a quarter of their sampling from homosexuals over 45 indicates they already knew the problem existed, and they ended up omitting figures on age distribution from their report.
In 1977, the largest survey of homosexuals reported 0.2% of its lesbians and 0.8% of its homosexual males were age 65 or older.
The Spada Report The Newest Survey of Gay Male Sexuality, in 1978, reported the median age was 30, with only 2.5% over age 65. J. Spada was openly homosexual and polled 1,022 male homosexuals by mail.
An openly lesbian M. Mendola, in 1979, polled 405 homosexuals by mail. The median age of those polled was 34, and only 10% were 50 or over. Source The Mendola Report A New Look at Gay Couples.
From the mid 1970s' to the early 1980s, interest in Gay Bowel Syndrome, sexually transmitted diseases, and hepatitis B generated a number of samples of the homosexual population.
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From 1977 through 1979, 102 homosexuals case histories were collected in Seattle and the oldest was 58.
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In 1979, 101 homosexuals who belonged to a group restricted to those over 40 was reported, and only 21 were over age 65.
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Also in 1979, 5,324 homosexual visitors to Denver's STD clinic had a median age of 27, a mean age of 28.5 and the oldest was 67.
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In 1982, only one of 103 homosexuals examined in San Francisco was over the age of 65.
In 1994, an obituary study revealed that the median age of death for homosexual males was 42 and for lesbians was 49. Source Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, " The Longevity of Homosexuals Before and After the AIDS Epidemic, " Omega Journal of Death and Dying," 1994.
Pedro Zamora, 22, a well-known AIDS educator and a cast member of "The Real World" on MTV, died of complications from AIDS today at Mercy Hospital in Miami. Partly because he was among few young people speaking out about AIDS, partly because of his heart throb looks and easy manner, Zamora became one of the most sought-after speakers on the disease after he tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, in 1989 at the age of 17. He took his prevention message into American living rooms as a young gay man with HIV on "The Real World." He would tell students that he got the virus through unprotected sex and that he would probably not live to reach 30. Before a television appearance in New York last August, Zamora fell ill with a neurological disorder, progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy, which causes rapid deterioration. He had been hospitalized since October 14th. Source Mireya Navarro, "Life of 22 years ends, but not before many heard message on AIDS, The New York Times; November 12, 1994.
AIDS became the Leading cause of death among men from 25 to 44 in 1992 (in the U.S.). More than 250,000 people have died from AIDS or AIDS-related causes. About 75% of cases have been reported in the 25-to-44 age group. AIDS is also the leading cause of death in men and women in 79 of 169 American cities with population greater than 100,000. In the northeastern United States, where the rate of infection is higher among intravenous drug users than it is among gay men, the incidence of AIDS continues to rise. Although the AIDS epidemic seems to have stabilized among gay men in some areas of the country, there is evidence of a future second wave in that group, Dr. Jaffe said. He cited recent studies in San Francisco, Denver and Chicago showing an incidence of 2 to 3 % a year for new infections in gay men, a high number. Source Lawrence K. Altman, " AIDS is now the leading killer of Americans from 25 to 44," The New York Times; January 31, 1995.
Nick Mattsson, as a gay man in his late 20's, has never really known love or dating outside the shadow of AIDS and, though he knew few sick people, he associated being gay with getting AIDS and dying young. In San Francisco, two gay newspapers refused for a while to carry ads for HIV-negative groups, and in New York, there is much eye-rolling, if not outright hostility. "My lover was like 'What are you going to talk about,'" said one participant whose partner is HIV-positive. "Long-term retirement plans? 401(K)'s?" Despite optimism over available treatments, there will be no cure anytime soon. And with evidence that infection rates are rising among young men, the focus can no longer be solely on people with HIV. There is only one way, the thinking goes, to prevent another generation of gay men from dying.
Troy Masters, the publisher of LGNY, a biweekly lesbian and gay newspaper in New York, who is HIV-positive, said "It (is) cool to be HIV-positive and it shouldn't be." Some will live, and others will die long before their time, and that the worries of men who do not have HIV are valid. Some of the (gay) men (coming into clinics or support groups) came in because they had a drug or alcohol problem, others because they were having unsafe sex, others because they just needed to talk about their lives as gay men and could not afford therapy.
Mattsson joined a group because he recognized that the sex he was having was unsafe and "out of control." Marc Davis, an equities analyst who is 29, joined (a group) largely because he was having an escalating problem with cocaine. Ben Stilp, 26, the communications director for the Lesbian and Gay Community Services Center, said he joined a group as a result of two strains in his life a problem with drugs and, for the first time, meeting men who were infected. One, who became a good friend, was only 30. "This was going to be a battle for my life. And I would have to change some fundamental things about my life," said Stilp. Source Ian Fisher, "To be young, gay, healthy...and alienated; New support Groups for the HIV-negative handle guilt, fear and isolation, The New York Times; July 14,1996
Life expectancy for a 20 year old gay or bisexual man is 8 to 20 years less than all men. The authors estimate that " nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently age 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday." Source Hogg. RS., Strathdee, SA., Craib, KJP., O'Shaughnessy, MV., Montainer, JSG., Schechter, MT., " Modeling the impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 26, No. 3, 1997, pp. 657-61.
In 1998, another study using four contemporary databases suggested that homosexual activity may be associated with a lifespan shortened by 20 to 30 years. Source Cameron, P., Cameron, K., Playfair, WL., " Does Homosexual Activity Shorten Life? ", Psychological Reports, 1998, 83, pp. 847-66.
Conclusion
Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care. In fact, we are encouraging and affirming individuals into the "gay" lifestyle. If you truly love someone, you would steer them away from self-destructive behaviors, rather than towards them, shouldn't you? Homosexuals need our tough love, not blind love, the kind of love that is going to love them no matter what they say and do. We must extend that helping hand and say " I think your worth saving, let's work on it together."
And Lut, when he said to his tribe "Do you commit an obscenity not perpetrated before you by anyone in all the worlds? You come with lust to men instead of women. You are indeed a depraved tribe." The only answer of his tribe was to say "Expel them from your city! They are people who keep themselves pure!" So We rescued him and his family-except for his wife. She was one of those who stayed behind. We rained down a rain upon them. See the final fate of the evildoers! ? ? Qur'an, 780-84
WILL YOU NOT THEN BELIEVE
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haha i love family guy...
raj-ah's previous post is such hooey... just because they couldn't find people to come forward for their studies does not mean the people didn't exist...
as for who was serving time in jails for sodomy... did you consider the possibility that once they were older they learned to not get caught?
do you think that just because there are not more of certain segments of population in prison that they are not committing the crime?
that's like saying that in america blacks are more guilty of crime simply because there are many blacks in jail, when really the fact of the matter is that's who is getting put in jail. there are plenty of rich white men committing securities frauds every day that will never do a lick of time because they simply don't get caught, and if they do they can afford the lawyers.
you quote alot of crap but none of it is real science
"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
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your opinions on marrying someone of the same sex.
Peace brother Amuslim,
If you come to a clearly marked mine field would you attampt to cross it to see if you will be blown to kingdom come or would you steer clear of it?
A sane person would likely make a wide detour just to be safe.
I believe we should have the same caution with anything that Allah has made Haraam. &