TO DIGITAL-MO, LET'S SEE WHO IS MISGUIDED...

[unknownuser]

Salaamun DigitalMo

It appears that, I am locked out of Al-Hewar, so, I will respond to you hear. You wrote

***The issue is not whether we want to discuss things or not, but when you provide someone with clear refutation for their allegations they still don't accept it, instead of justifyig their stance they raise other baseless allegations.

Example

Allegation
3. Wudu is not to be found in Al-Qur-an.

Response
O you who believe! when you rise up to prayer, wash your faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are under an obligation to perform a total ablution, then wash (yourselves) and if you are sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands therewith, Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on you, so that you may be grateful.
O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.
O ye who believe! When ye rise up for prayer, wash you faces, and your hands up to the elbows, and lightly rub your heads and (wash) your feet up to the ankles. And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it. Allah would not place a burden on you, but He would purify you and would perfect His grace upon you, that ye may give thanks.

Result
No acknowledgement that they have no idea, that they were wrong, that they are misguided.

What more do you say to people who don't want to accept what Allah (swt) is commanding them to do?***

So, your position is that, I do not know what I am talking about in general and about wudu in specific, am I correct? Good, lets see.

1. I want you to go to Al-Qur'an and post the ayat where the word "wudu" is mentioned.

2. Even if you can find the term wudu, tell me then, why you do extra movements such as, cleaning the nose, rinsing the mouth, washing your face and ears. How do yo come up with the "washing three times" and the "incantations" which you utter during each washing movement? Has Allah, in His fully detailed Book of Guidance-Al-Qur'an, given you these instructions? What?, did Allah simply forget to mention the extra things which you do in His name and it took Bukhari and Co. to get it right and detail it for you, is this your position?

As with Allahu Akbar, wudu, is just another name which the rank hypocrites invented in their rebellion and shirk. Allah says

7.71 He said Indeed uncleanness and wrath from your Lord have lighted upon you; what! do you dispute with me about names which you and your fathers have given? Allah has not sent any authority for them; wait then, I too with you will be of those who wait.

53.23 They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord.

You and PinceZed, wish to rationalize the use of the hadiths, as a body of work, for one's spiritual guidance, growth and development and for the establishing of Islamic jurisprudence, am I correct? O.K. then how do you respond to ayat 2951 and analysis?

2.185 The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the criterion...

Main Entry CRITERION Certain a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based.

Main Entry CERTAIN Assured in mind; having no doubts; free from suspicions; determined; resolved; not to be doubted or denied; established as a fact; actually existing; sure to happen; inevitable; unfailing; infallible.

6.19 Say What thing is the weightiest in testimony? Say Allah is witness between you and me; and this Quran has been revealed to me that with IT I may warn you and whomsoever IT reaches. Do you really bear witness that there are other gods with Allah? Say I do not bear witness. Say He is only one God, and surely I am clear of that which you set up (with Him).

Clearly, Allah, is stating that, Al-Qur'an, is that which everything else is judged by, hence, its name--Al-Furqan, The Criterion...the PROTECTED BOOK.

29.51 Is it not ENOUGH/SUFFICIENT for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.

56.77 Most surely it is an honored Quran,

56.78 In a book that is protected

56.79 None shall touch it save the purified ones.

56.80 A revelation by the Lord of the Worlds.

56.81 Do you then hold this HADITH in contempt?

39.23 Allah has revealed the BEST HADITH, a book conformable in its various parts, repeating, whereat do shudder the skins of those who fear their Lord, then their skins and their hearts become pliant to the remembrance of Allah; this is Allah's guidance, He guides with it whom He pleases; and (as for) him whom Allah makes err, there is no guide for him.

45.6 These are the AYATS of Allah which We recite to you with truth; then in what HADITH would they believe after Allah and HIS AYATS?

Main Entry SUFFICIENT enough to meet the needs of a situation or a proposed end.

Main Entry ENOUGH occurring in such quantity, quality, or scope as to fully meet demands, needs, or expectations. synonym see SUFFICIENT 2.1 in or to a degree or quantity that satisfies or that is sufficient or necessary for satisfaction SUFFICIENTLY

Main Entry BEST excelling all others most productive of good or of advantage, utility, or satisfaction.

In ayat 2951, Allah, rhetorically asks...is not Al-Qur'an, the revealed Book to whom we are to recite, not enough/sufficient for our spiritual guidance, growth and development and for the establishing of Islamic jurisprudence, thus, enabling us to enjoin what is right and fight what is wrong/to practice righteousness, so that, one may obtain the end of/object of this life--Paradise, The Supreme Achievement? So, when Allah asks...is it not His Qur'an enough/sufficient, the believer, can only have ONE answer...YES!!.

Allah, asks another qustion is 5681, to wit....will the individual hold in contempt his hadith--Al-Qur-an, the revealed Book? Further, in anticipation of the coming of the likes of Bukhari and Co. and whoever else, Allah asks...in what hadith will you believe in after His BEST HADITH--AL-QUR'AN

30.35 Or, have We sent down upon them an authority so that it speaks of that which they associate with Him?

Allah, has warned us NOT TO ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH HIM FOR WHICH HE HAS GIVEN NO AUTHORITY , MEANING, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING OF ALLAH, HIS DIN, HIS QUR-AN OR HIS MESSENGER WHICH, VIA AL-QUR-AN, YOU CANNOT PROVE.

Main Entry ASSOCIATE 3 to join or connect together COMBINE to bring together or into relationship in any of various intangible ways (as in memory or imagination).

Main Entry AUTHORITY a citation (as from a book or file) used in defense or support the source from which the citation is drawn a conclusive statement or set of statements (as an official decision of a court) power to influence or command thought, opinion, or behavior.

So, to sum up, is not Allah's Qur'an ENOUGH/SUFFICIENT for you? If so, then the hadith of Bukhari and Co. are to be rejected in toto. If Allah's Qur'an is NOT enough/sufficient for you, then, know that you practice shirk and are a rank hypocrite...the fate of whom Allah is very very clear on.

So, am I misguided...or are you?

Some additional arguement

2133 Nay! were you witnesses when death visited Yaqoub, when he said to his sons What will you serve after me? They said We will serve your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq, one God only, and to Him do we submit.

2844. Thou wast not on the Western side when We decreed the Commission to Moses, nor wast thou a witness (of those events).

2845. Nor wast thou at the side of (the Mountain of) T?r when We called (to Moses). Yet (art thou sent) as Mercy from thy Lord, to give warning to a people to whom no warner had come before thee in order that they may receive admonition.

43.19 And they make the angels-- them who are the servants of the Beneficent God-- female (divinities). What! did they witness their creation? Their evidence shall be written down and they shall be questioned.

7226 "(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)."

12102 This is of the news of the Ghaib (unseen) which We reveal by Inspiration to you (O Muhammad SAW). You were not (present) with them when they arranged their plan together, and (also, while) they were plotting.

344 This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad SAW). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.

7101 Those were the towns whose story We relate unto you (O Muhammad SAW). And there came indeed to them their Messengers with clear proofs, but they were not such as to believe in that which they had rejected before. Thus Allah does seal up the hearts of the disbelievers (from each and every kind of religious guidance).

2099 Thus We relate to you (O Muhammad SAW) some information of what happened before. And indeed We have given you from Us a Reminder (this Qur'an).

1149 This is of the news of the unseen, which We reveal unto you (O Muhammad SAW), neither you nor your people knew them before this. So be patient. Surely, the (good) end is for the Muttaqun (pious - see V.22)

123 We relate unto you (Muhammad SAW) the best of stories through Our Revelations unto you, of this Qur'an. And before this you were among those who knew nothing about it.

650 Say (O Muhammad SAW) "I don't tell you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor (that) I know the unseen; nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me by inspiration." Say "Are the blind and the one who sees equal? will you not then take thought?"

7188 Say (O Muhammad SAW) "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe."

1131 "And I do not say to you that with me are the Treasures of Allah, "Nor that I know the Ghaib (unseen);"nor do I say I am an angel, and I do not say of those whom your eyes look down upon that Allah will not bestow any good on them. Allah knows what is in their inner-selves (as regards belief, etc.). In that case, I should, indeed be one of the Zalimun (wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.)."

5335 Is with him the knowledge of the unseen so that he sees? 5335

5241 Or that the Ghaib (unseen) is with them, and they write it down?

6847 Or that they Unseen is in their hands so that they can write it down?

Main Entry WITNESS one who has personal knowledge of something.

Main Entry PERSONAL done in person without the intervention of another.

As you can see, Muhammad, is told by Allah that, he did not witness/have personal knowledge of the events which came before him regarding another messenger, or anything else for that matter, and he only knows of it, because Allah told him directly. If Muhammad, was told by Allah that he was not a witness to what came before him, how then, do we rationalize saying anything about what Muhammad did or didn't do, when we too did not witness it or get it directly from Allah via Al-Qur-an? This the inherent contradiction in the hadithists position?

Hasn't Allah said that His Qur-an explains everything? Al-Qur-an is perfect, yet, they wish to maintain that, something that is perfect--Al-Qur-an, needs to be explained by something that is not perfect---the hadiths of Bukhari and Co. Where is the logic and belief in Allah's word in that?

Finally, Allah, in Sura Al-Khaf, says that the Christians follow nothing but conjecture. Given that the hadiths are not error/mistake/contradiction free, then, as a body of work, just as with the bible, they too are conjectural material, and are not to be used as a source of spiritual guidance, growth and development/Islamic jurisprudence.

Btw, ayat 2846, also disproves any notion of there having been a pilgrimage to Mecca by Ibrahim or any other Messenger. Allah says that the repsonsibility of the messenger is to give warning and good news and, barring Yunus, it appears, they were only sent to their respective peoples. Ibrahim, being a messenger, could not have been in the area of Mecca and not warned the people, that would have been a derelection of his duty and an impossible thing to do. Had he in fact been in the area of Mecca, then ayat 2846 would be false.

Consider these verses and arguement as well.

18.54 And certainly We have explained in this Quran every kind of example, and man is most of all given to contention.

30.58 And certainly We have set forth for men every kind of example in this Quran; and if you should bring them a communication, those who disbelieve would certainly say You are naught but false claimants.

75.19 Again on Us (devolves) the explaining of it.

Main EntryEXAMPLE 1 one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated.

Allah, makes it clear that every example necessary for our spiritual guidance, growth/development and for the establishing of Islamic law, is explained in Al-Qur-an. So, given this, where then, in Al-Qur-an, is there an example as to how to perform, from beginning to end, a complete raka? Now, unconscious as it may be, once someone attempts to argue these ayats with other ayats from Al-Qur-an, what, in fact, is that individual attempting to do?---to have Al-Qur-an contradict itself...which is impossible.

Remember, what is the object of life?---to practice righteousness so that Allah will grant us the Supreme Achievement--Paradise! Allah, gave us Al-Qur-an for our spiritual guidance, growth/development and for the establishing of Islamic jurisprudence, in order that we practice righteousness in this world and by doing so enter Paradise in the next. Now, what don't you think Allah hasn't fully explained/detailed in His Qur-an towards that end?

Looking forward to your response, insha-Allah.