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To Obey the Prophet(PBUH) is obligatory to every Muslim

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    amuslim
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    Peace

    Just a question to you guys, I think you are all Sunnis? Forgive me if Im wrong. But since we do not use the Hadith as a source of law as the Quran, does that make us unbelievers in your eyes? Are we worse than Shias?

    Peace

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      Yosemite
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      What strikes me is the hadith on stonning. And also on the gays.

      Like you have to put the gays in a bag and throw them off a cliff? That is what a sunni friend thinks you have to do of gays.

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        amuslim
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        Peace

        What strikes me is the hadith on stonning. And also on the gays.

        Like you have to put the gays in a bag and throw them off a cliff? That is what a sunni friend thinks you have to do of gays.

        Does he do that or is it all talk?

        Peace

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          Leoxyz
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          What strikes me is the hadith on stonning. And also on the gays.

          Like you have to put the gays in a bag and throw them off a cliff? That is what a sunni friend thinks you have to do of gays.

          Dear
          May I ask why are you afraid?

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            unknownuser
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            Dear
            May I ask why are you afraid?

            Afraid of being responsible for the killings of someone who should not be killed? How dare they!

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              SwedenMajidah
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              Peace,

              I agree that Prophet Muhammad was not only a postman who delivered the mail, but He did pretty well recite it to other people to spread the message. Even if they understood it or not because Quran also claims that We are the ones who explain it and I'm not sure if the messengers are included here or just God himself and the Angels!?

              But to follow a prophet/messenger cannot possibly mean to follow his private matters because that will take a living messenger to achieve that.

              Peace
              Majidah

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                Leoxyz
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                Peace,

                I agree that Prophet Muhammad was not only a postman who delivered the mail, but He did pretty well recite it to other people to spread the message. Even if they understood it or not because Quran also claims that We are the ones who explain it and I'm not sure if the messengers are included here or just God himself and the Angels!?

                But to follow a prophet/messenger cannot possibly mean to follow his private matters because that will take a living messenger to achieve that.

                Peace
                Majidah

                Dear sister
                These are misconception spread by the Quranists.When it is said that "Sunna" ,it never meant to follow the Prophet his private matters.The Holy Quran assigns him duty of 'teaching the book and philosophy" e.g
                The Holy Quran says Offer Salat
                The Holy Prophet (PBUH) tells how to offer

                The Holy Quran says Perform Hajj
                The Holy Prophet (PBUH) tells how to perform Hajj.

                It is the meaning of "teaches the book and philosphy of Deen".

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                  SwedenMajidah
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                  Peace,

                  Aha, so how do you perform Salat according to Muhammad then?

                  If something isn't in Quran then I do not follow it.

                  Majidah

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                    Leoxyz
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                    Peace,

                    If something isn't in Quran then I do not follow it.

                    Majidah

                    Dear sister
                    You are at liberty.No one can enforce you.

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                      Andya_Primanda
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                      I think Sis Majidah's reply is correct.

                      If details are not written in the Qur'an, then God might not consider it to be as important as some believed.

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                        Navid
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                        I think Sis Majidah's reply is correct.

                        If details are not written in the Qur'an, then God might not consider it to be as important as some believed.

                        Yes, exactly. Aside from the argument being completely circular (hadith says this, quran doesnt, thus hadith is necessary), it is fact that the quran is complete. Since it is, if something is not specifically given that YOU or the HADITH personally desire, then it is not important in the eyes of the quran. This is easy to see.

                        Peace

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                          ayman
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                          (480) He who obeys the Messenger thereby obeys Allah;

                          Yet this is what Ahl-Alhadith actually hear

                          He who obeys Bukhari et al. thereby obeys Allah;

                          Peace,

                          Ayman

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                            Peace,

                            The Holy Prophet (PBUH) 's duty was to
                            1Recite the Verses to the people
                            2Teach them the book and philosophy of the Deen
                            3Purify t hem

                            Say, "Are the blind man and the seeing man alike ? *27 Are light and darkness alike ?" (1316)

                            1316 Say "Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?" Say "(It is) Allah." Say "Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him, such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" Say "Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with light?" Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created, so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say "(Allah) is the Creator of all things He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible."

                            Done! 1 Recite the Verses to the people
                            Done! 2 Teach them the book
                            Done! 3 Purify them

                            Aha, so how do you perform Salat according to Muhammad then?

                            Yes I too want to see the exact instructions per hadith.

                            Thanks

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                              Raj-ah
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                              Ayman

                              Yet this is what Ahl-Alhadith actually hear

                              He who obeys Bukhari et al. thereby obeys Allah;

                              Peace,

                              Ayman

                              Ahl-Hadith are one extreme and you are the other, both are extremists and experience tells us extermists are not good for the society.

                              Peace,

                              Rajah.

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                                Raj-ah
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                                SweetendMAjidah

                                Peace,
                                Aha, so how do you perform Salat according to Muhammad then?
                                If something isn't in Quran then I do not follow it.
                                Majidah

                                I don't remember any ayat in Quran that tells us to brush our teeth?
                                So Majidah since you not follow anything that is not in Quran; how long it has been you have not brushed your teeth?

                                Quran tells us that there is a lesson in destruction of the people of Irum? so how did you get the lesson from Quran alone? How ? I am curious to know about it?

                                Quran talks about Salat, Zakat and Hajj
                                How do You perform them some are curious here to know about it?

                                Please don't give us any links, try it for yourself and let us know what a real Quranist is?

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                                  Dion
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                                  I don't remember any ayat in Quran that tells us to brush our teeth?
                                  So Majidah since you not follow anything that is not in Quran; how long it has been you have not brushed your teeth?

                                  Quran tells us that there is a lesson in destruction of the people of Irum? so how did you get the lesson from Quran alone? How ? I am curious to know about it?

                                  Quran talks about Salat, Zakat and Hajj
                                  How do You perform them some are curious here to know about it?

                                  Please don't give us any links, try it for yourself and let us know what a real Quranist is?

                                  You are right. Nowhere does Quran say to brush our teeth, but yet we do it.
                                  This is becouse certain things and values, if not all existed with men long before Quran was revealed. Believe it or not people washed their hands, had baths, loved their children, respected their parents and orphans even before Muhamad, Quran and Bukhary came to light. In this sense Quran brought nothing new. It only reminded people of these values. There are somethings that people have to learn by themselves. Muhamad cannot teach you how to love God, or how to pray to him or what to pray for. Peole are different, have different needs and different ways of showing their emotions.
                                  When praying to God, I have never until now wished that Muhamed was here to tell me how to do it, let alone other people like Bukhary.

                                  We are born as individuals, we shouldn't give that up.

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                                    Raj-ah
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                                    Dion

                                    When praying to God, I have never until now wished that Muhamed was here to tell me how to do it, let alone other people like Bukhary.

                                    We have listened to these fancy talking a lot, question is How do you pray to the GOD?

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                                      siki
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                                      Raja

                                      is brushing your teeth forbidden in quran? if not then , you can do it, any way you like. And if you dont like brushing your teeth , dont do it, let me assure you God will not send you to hell because of this.

                                      siki

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                                        Dion
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                                        We have listened to these fancy talking a lot, question is How do you pray to the GOD?

                                        Anyway you like. As long as you are honest in your prayers and as long as you believe in what your doing.
                                        And you wont go to hell if you dont put your hands behind your ears or if you don't roll your head left and right.
                                        Praying is not about the style or form, but if you think thats the most important thing then some kung fu tricks might help you in the way.

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                                          Yosemite
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                                          Dear
                                          May I ask why are you afraid?

                                          I'm so afraid i hide in my bed.

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