A Problem of Translation of Quranic Aya for Quranists
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Peace Leo,
Hope it helps
I was hoping also. But I just can't seem to get you to understand that neither Parwez, nor QXP, nor Iqbal, nor George Clooney have a fan-club here. We are simply an assembly of people exchanging thoughts on islam based on the quran-alone.
We have no doctrine, we have no leadership, we have no favorites. The only thing that makes us a "we" is the fact that we're all here chatting in cyberspace and most of us believe in God.
Is it that difficult to grasp?
Peace,
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Peace Leo,
I was hoping also. But I just can't seem to get you to understand that neither Parwez, nor QXP, nor Iqbal, nor George Clooney have a fan-club here. We are simply an assembly of people exchanging thoughts on islam based on the quran-alone.
We have no doctrine, we have no leadership, we have no favorites. The only thing that makes us a "we" is the fact that we're all here chatting in cyberspace and most of us believe in God.
Is it that difficult to grasp?
Peace,
TayDear
Are you ready to accept that Author of QXP tampered the translation of the Holy Quran ??
Are you ready to condemn the Quran translation tamperers as you people condemn Bukhari and other Muhadditheens?? -
Dear
Are you ready to accept that Author of QXP tampered the translation of the Holy Quran ??
Are you ready to condemn the Quran translation tamperers as you people condemn Bukhari and other Muhadditheens??http//www.independentliving.com/images/659120.jpg
Are you ready to add a pair of these to your shopping list?
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Very well, if you wish to reject good advice.
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Peace Leo,
Are you ready to accept that Author of QXP tampered the translation of the Holy Quran ??
Are you ready to condemn the Quran translation tamperers as you people condemn Bukhari and other Muhadditheens??I wonder if you would like me to also condemn spider monkeys for the inflated gas prices?
I'm at a loss, bro.May peace be upon you,
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Peace Leo,
I wonder if you would like me to also condemn spider monkeys for the inflated gas prices?
I'm at a loss, bro.May peace be upon you,
TayDear
I was expecting that you will never do it.
Then you say he is not your leader.
You are ready to condemn Bukhari then why not "Quran Tamperer"??
Is this love for Quran ??
This is Quranist 's attitude towards facts of life?? It is attitude which I saw scattered throughout their writings. -
Dear
I was expecting that you will never do it.
Then you say he is not your leader.
You are ready to condemn Bukhari then why not "Quran Tamperer"??
Is this love for Quran ??
This is Quranist 's attitude towards facts of life?? It is attitude which I saw scattered throughout their writings.Somehow I doubt that. Emphasis mine.
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Peace Leo,
I've given up on this topic, but thought this may help in general
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception
Perception
In psychology and the cognitive sciences, perception is the process of acquiring, interpreting, selecting, and organizing sensory information. It is a task far more complex than was imagined in the 1950s and 1960s, when it was proclaimed that building perceiving machines would take about a decade, but, needless to say, that is still very far from reality. The word perception comes from the Latin perception-, percepio, , meaning "receiving, collecting, action of taking possession, apprehension with the mind or senses." --OED.com. Methods of studying perception range from essentially biological or physiological approaches, through psychological approaches through the philosophy of mind and in empiricist epistemology, such as that of David Hume, John Locke, George Berkeley, or as in Merleau Ponty's affirmation of perception as the basis of all science and knowledge.
There are two basic theories of perception Passive Perception (PP) and Active Perception (PA). The passive perception (conceived by Ren? Descartes) is addressed in this article and could be surmised as the following sequence of events surrounding - > input (senses) - > processing (brain) - > output (re-action). Although still supported by mainstream philosophers, psychologists and neurologists, this theory is nowadays losing momentum. The theory of active perception has emerged from extensive research of sensory illusions with works of Professor Emeritus Richard L Gregory in a lead. This theory is increasingly gaining experimental support and could be surmised as dynamic relationship between ?description? (in the brain) < - > senses < - > surrounding.
Many cognitive psychologists hold that, as we move about in the world, we create a model of how the world works. That is, we sense the objective world, but our sensations map to percepts, and these percepts are provisional, in the same sense that scientific hypotheses are provisional (cf. in the scientific method). As we acquire new information, our percepts shift, thus solidifying the idea that perception is a matter of belief. Abraham Pais' biography refers to the 'esemplastic' nature of imagination. In the case of visual perception, some people can actually see the percept shift in their mind's eye. Others who are not picture thinkers, may not necessarily perceive the 'shape-shifting' as their world changes. The 'esemplastic' nature has been shown by experiment an ambiguous image has multiple interpretations on the perceptual level.
Just as one object can give rise to multiple percepts, so an object may fail to give rise to any percept at all if the percept has no grounding in a person's experience, the person may literally not perceive it.
This confusing ambiguity of perception is exploited in human technologies such as camouflage, and also in biological mimicry, for example by Peacock butterflies, whose wings bear eye markings that birds respond to as though they were the eyes of a dangerous predator. Perceptual ambiguity is not restricted to vision. For example, recent touch perception research (Robles-De-La-Torre & Hayward 2001) found that kinesthesia-based haptic perception strongly relies on the forces experienced during touch. This makes it possible to produce illusory touch percepts (see also the MIT Technology Review article The Cutting Edge of Haptics).
Cognitive theories of perception assume there is a poverty of stimulus. This (with reference to perception) is the claim that sensations are, by themselves, unable to provide a unique description of the world. Sensations require 'enriching', which is the role of the mental model. A different type of theory is the perceptual ecology approach of James J. Gibson. Gibson rejected the assumption of a poverty of stimulus by rejecting the notion that perception is based in sensations. Instead, he investigated what information is actually presented to the perceptual systems. He (and the psychologists who work within this paradigm) detailed how the world could be specified to a mobile, exploring organism via the lawful projection of information about the world into energy arrays. Specification is a 11 mapping of some aspect of the world into a perceptual array; given such a mapping, no enrichment is required and perception is direct.
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(1781) And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished for falsehood is a thing that must by its nature vanish.You are correct, it has been made clear that QXP is an exegesis/exposition/an attempt to explain the Quran based on self-reference.
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YUSUFALI Of the people there are some who say "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
PICKTHAL And of mankind are some who say We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
SHAKIR And there are some people who say We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.002.009
YUSUFALI Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
PICKTHAL They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
SHAKIR They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.002.010
YUSUFALI In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
PICKTHAL In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
SHAKIR There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lie. -
You are correct, it has been made clear that QXP is an exegesis/exposition/an attempt to explain the Quran based on self-reference.
Also
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YUSUFALI Of the people there are some who say "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
PICKTHAL And of mankind are some who say We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
SHAKIR And there are some people who say We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.002.009
YUSUFALI Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
PICKTHAL They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
SHAKIR They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.002.010
YUSUFALI In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
PICKTHAL In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
SHAKIR There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lie.Dear
It shows you believe in• Yousaf Ali
pickthal
Shakir•
I want to make sure that you will not run away from our further discussion .
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Please do not distract, the topic is your failure to recognize the purpose of QXP. If you wish to question that, make a new thread.