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A Quranist and Quran translation tampering QXP

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    Bigmo
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    Dear brother/sisters.
    QXP 2nd Edition 2005
    Author Shabbir Ahmed ,M.D (Florida)
    Actual Aya

    Further Reference
    http//www.islamicity.com/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/5/5_6.htm
    Traslated by Shabbir Ahmed
    56 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! When you congregate for Salat, wash you faces and your forearms ,hands to the elbows. Lightly rub you heads and your feet to the ankles

    I challenge to Prove this translation from the Quranic Text .
    Another Explicit example of Tanslation Tampering

    hail

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      Samia
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      Dear Samia
      Only one is correct.Naturally both cannot be correct at the same time.

      Please give the correct Aya.Which one is correct??

      Sorry, I am not in a position to say which is correct, and I do not see why both cannot be correct. When it is cold, and I have no access to warm water, I would rub my feet; or if I am somewhere where the sink is too high for me, I can't just splash water on the floor, so I rub. Otherwise I wash them (washing is the default in my case). Perhaps God left it like that as a way of making things easy for us.

      So according to you (the criteria of reading) if someone reads/writes the word ( ) as "aalimulghab or aalamulghab" per your arabic and Quranists's lingual somersault ,it does not make any difference.It is ok to pronounce and write both ways.

      From the context, it is very clear where it is "3aalamulghaib" and where it is "3aalimul ghaib"., the first being (the world of the unseen) and the latter is (the Knower of the unseen). This is not a question of "tashkeel, vocalization"/grammar. these are two different words.

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        Leoxyz
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        Sorry, I am not in a position to say which is correct, and I do not see why both cannot be correct. When it is cold, and I have no access to warm water, I would rub my feet; or if I am somewhere where the sink is too high for me, I can't just splash water on the floor, so I rub. Otherwise I wash them (washing is the default in my case). Perhaps God left it like that as a way of making things easy for us.

        From the context, it is very clear where it is "3aalamulghaib" and where it is "3aalimul ghaib"., the first being (the world of the unseen) and the latter is (the Knower of the unseen). This is not a question of "tashkeel, vocalization"/grammar. these are two different words.

        It means Quran has two versions as far as this aya is concerned
        One = with "arjulalkum
        one = with "arjulikum
        What is your opinion about this aya ?
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        uptill now I had the opinion that some groups are playing only with the meaning now I realize that Quran words are also under threat.
        Now "Tahreef bil Lafz" is also taking place.

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          Samia
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          It means Quran has two versions as far as this aya is concerned
          One = with "arjulalkum
          one = with "arjulikum
          What is your opinion about this aya ?
          159
          uptill now I had the opinion that some groups are playing only with the meaning now I realize that Quran words are also under threat.
          Now "Tahreef bil Lafz" is also taking place.

          Only now you realized that there are different ways in reading some words? These are very old opinions. It was never considered manipulation. If you think that quraanists invented these two ways of reading this verse or any other verse, or that these are innovations of modern times, then you are really pathetic!

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            Only now you realized that there are different ways in reading some words? These are very old opinions. It was never considered manipulation. If you think that quraanists invented these two ways of reading this verse or any other verse, or that these are innovations of modern times, then you are really pathetic!

            I will save Agent Smith the time and say

            Please provide reference. More questions to follow.

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              Tay
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              Peace OPF,

              Sorry I missed this

              Would it be better called exegesis/tafseer?

              If I recall correctly, the good Dr. and co. built upon the Parwez exposition of the quran for QXP. The employment of tasreef is a staple of the text and, for the most part, whenever an ayah is expounded upon it is well-referenced, citing the occurrences which lead the authors to exegete what they have.

              So, to answer your question, imo, "exposition" would best describe it, with exegesis a close second.

              Peace,
              Tay

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                Leoxyz
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                Only now you realized that there are different ways in reading some words? These are very old opinions. It was never considered manipulation. If you think that quraanists invented these two ways of reading this verse or any other verse, or that these are innovations of modern times, then you are really pathetic!

                It is not I ,it is you who is accepting these "aya manipulation".I still believe that it is "arjulakum" and never translate it as "rub the feet".
                It is you people who insisting that both meaning are present.So you are accepting that "arjulikum' is also correct.
                Who is changing the"Quran " and PATHETIC?

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                  Samia
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                  It is not I ,it is you who is accepting these "aya manipulation".I still believe that it is "arjulakum" and never translate it as "rub the feet".
                  It is you people who insisting that both meaning are present.So you are accepting that "arjulikum' is also correct.
                  Who is changing the"Quran " and PATHETIC?

                  http//bani.anime.net/o_rly.jpg

                  (reference www.OPF.co.uk)

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                    Leoxyz
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                    http//bani.anime.net/o_rly.jpg

                    (reference www.OPF.co.uk)

                    Why are you looking so "horrible" madam?
                    Are you ok?

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                      Leoxyz
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                      Peace OPF,

                      Sorry I missed this
                      If I recall correctly, the good Dr. and co. built upon the Parwez exposition of the quran for QXP. The employment of tasreef is a staple of the text and, for the most part, whenever an ayah is expounded upon it is well-referenced, citing the occurrences which lead the authors to exegete what they have.

                      So, to answer your question, imo, "exposition" would best describe it, with exegesis a close second.

                      Peace,
                      Tay

                      pervez (may Allah rest his soul in peace and forgive his shortcomings) was comparatively a sensible person.Not like today's "pseudointellectuals" who do not know even the "i3raab " of "ma3toof/ma3toof alai".

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