33:33. An Example of corruption (1)
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The following article is an excellent example of how the sectarians (Shias in this case) have corrupted God's teachings to suit the agendas and interests of their clergy. It is a living breathing example of using fabricated hadiths in order to twist the meaning of the Koranic verses beyond recognition, and is a testimony to the "desease of extra-contextual interpretation".
The shias, who worship their imams (although through their "taqiyya" claim to be worshipping God), always like to point out verse 3333 of the Koran, which they call "ayat al tatheer" (verse of purification). They claim that God has purified the so-called "ahlulbayt", made them infallible, sinless, and pure. They say that the "ahlulbayt" mentioned in 3333 are Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Hussain, exclusively. (Wives of the prophet are not included).
If we ask them "What proof do you have for this claim?", they will immediately point out the so-called "hadith al kissa" (kissa=blanket or large cloak).
In brief, the hadith- which they claim is necessary to interpret verse 3333- states that when the prophet was asked by one of his wives (the fictional Aisha of Islamic folklore) about the identity of the "ahlulbayt" , he quickly called for Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain, gathered them under his cloak, embraced them in his arms, and said "Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O' People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification".Now, my aim is to show you how they have surpassed even the corruptors of Ahlul-Kitab before them, (Jewish and Christian clergy). My aim is to show you how- since they could not corrupt the Koran directly by modifying its text- they invented Hadiths in order to "interpret" the Koran, and give the verses which they like, the verses which sound nice to them and suit their pre-conceived dogmas, meanings which are completely outside their context.
Please bear with me.Let's now put their claims to the test of logic and criticism ,(the logic and criticism which they have made "haram", in their corrupted and no doubt Persian-originated version of "Islam"
{You shall settle down in your homes, and do not go about like in the olden days of ignorance. You shall uphold the connection, and contribute towards betterment, and obey God and His messenger. God wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the House, and to purify you completely.}
The part marked in blue is what they call the "verse of purification".
As you have all noticed, it's not even a whole complete verse. It's just a sentence that they have cut out and given it an interpretation - using their Persian hadith - and taken it completely out of its context (just like their counterparts, the "Sunnis" did with the opening verses of chapter 53).
The prime argument of the Shias is that in all of the verses 3332-34, God is adressing the wives of the prophet, and using the female suffix, except in that sentence of verse 33 - marked in blue - we see that God switches to the masculin suffix, which means that now their must be at least one male among the ones being addressed. (Arabic readers, please see the Arabic text to verify this).
{O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honorable manner.
You shall settle down in your homes, and do not go about like in the olden days of ignorance. You shall uphold the connection, and contribute towards betterment, and obey God and His messenger. God wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the Sanctuary, and to purify you completely.
And recall all that is being recited in your homes of God's revelations and the wisdom. God is Sublime, Expert. }.......This proves - according to them- the validity of "hadith al kissa", and that the "ahlulbayt" mentioned in 3333 are not , nor do they include, the wives of the prophet. They are exclusively Ali, Fatima, Hassan, and Hussain. If they were the wives of the prophet - as the Sunnis claim -then why did God switch suddenly from the feminin suffix to the masculin one??
In their proud arrogance, they believe that they have "owned" the Sunnis in this argument. bravo
What they have failed to realise is the following
1- The verses are dealing with certain rules of ettiquette(sp?) that the wives of the prophet had to abide by. (Note that I used the past tense "had", because these verses are circumstancial and historic. They are a no longer applicable today. )
{O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honorable manner.
You (wives of the prophet) shall settle down in your homes, and do not go about like in the olden days of ignorance. You (wives of the prophet)shall hold the Connection, and contribute towards betterment, and obey God and His messenger. God wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the Sanctuary, and to purify you completely.}The question I want to ask all Shias who might be reading this is "What in God's name does Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain have to do with a list of rules of conduct that the wives of the prophet had to abide by"???
Absolutely nothing. There is no connection whatsoever between the two matters.
God is telling the wives of the prophet to abide by these instructions because God wants to "purify" Ali , Fatima, Hassan, and Hussain??? confused
What does this have to do with the context??When I asked a Shia cleric (SC) about this point, you know what he said to me? (I still recall his answer, word for word). He said the following
- SC "Have you ever heard of 'iltifat' ?"
- Me "No. What is it?"
- SC "Iltifat is a tool God uses in the Koran. He changes the subject suddenly in the middle of a verse, talks about something else, then reverts back to the original subject. You can see it a dozen times in the Koran"
- Me "Can you show me another example?" (At this point he was aware of my rejection of hadiths)
- SC "In the verse 53, we see this phenomenon of "iltifat" again. The verse starts by talking about the prohibitions of food (muharramats), then suddenly, God changes the subject, and says . (At this point, my face had turned green, and I had felt the sudden urge to vomit).
"If you don't understand 'iltifat', then how can you explain the sudden change from the feminin suffix to the masculin suffix in 3333"?
2- Answer The reason why there's a change in the suffix, can be understood once we realize that the command in these verses was actually issued to the prophet himself, not his wives.
If we look closely, the subject actually begins in 3328
{O prophet, say to your wives "If you are seeking this worldly life and its vanities, then come, I will make a provision for you and release you in an amicable manner."}.......
God was commanding the prophet to say to his wives so and so... The command was directly to the prophet, and indirectly to his wives.
All the following verses are actually a continuation of 3328.Now the riddle is solved The change in the suffix in 3333 from female to male, is because there is now one male among the addressed. (Elementary Arabic grammar rule If we are talking about 10000 women and 1 man, we still use the masculin suffix), not because there is "iltifat".
This single male is the prophet himself, to whom the command was actually issued in 3328.
Now the context becomes clear God is asking the prophet to tell his wives (because the revelation came to the prophet, and not directly to his wives), to do so and so...to abide by these strict laws of behavior BECAUSE God wants to purify the "ahlulbayt".
Hence, "ahlulbayt" = (PROPHET + HIS WIVES....PERIOD)
The Persian-made and folkloric decendants of Muhammad - the last of whom has been "hibernating" in a cave for 12 centuries- have nothing to do with verse 3333. D
3- The sentence "God wishes to remove any affliction from you, O people of the House, and to purify you completely." which the corruptors have cut out from the rest of the verse is NOT a case of "kun fa yakun" ( Be, and it is!!) Yes, it's true that "God wants" it, but that does not mean it's automatic or as if by magic. It is under the condition that the prophet's wives actually abide by these instructions.
This is a case of cause and condition; NOT a case of 'iltifat'.There are other examples of "God wants" in the Koran, without them being cases of "kun fa yakun"
{A month, marked by heat, in which the Koran was revealed; as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wishes to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful}
God is giving a license to whoemever is ill or traveling to fast on different days, because God wishes to bring us ease and avoid hardships.
This is not a case of "kun fa yakun", because some people might insist on fasting anyway, eventhough they are ill or traveling.{O you who believe, if you rise to hold the Connection, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you (yutahhirukom) and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative}
Here God is asking the believers to do all these things because God wishes to "yutahhirukom" (purify/cleanse)
The exact same expression is used in 3333!!. So, does this mean all the believers "mu'minoon" have now become "infallible (sinless) and pure" as if by magic.. "kun fa yakun"???Other examples..
{ God wants to make clear for you and guide you to the ways of those before you, and pardon you, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
And God wants to pardon you, but those who follow their lusts want that you would be diverted into a great diversion.
God wants to make easy for you; and mankind was created weak }4- Read the following verses, and tell me who "ahlulbayt" are
{And Our messengers came to Abraham with good news, they said "Peace" He said "Peace," and it was not long before he came back with a roasted calf.
But when he saw that their hands did not go towards it, he mistrusted them, and he began to have fear of them. They said "Have no fear, we have been sent to the people of Lot."
And his wife was standing, so she laughed when We gave her the good news of Isaac, and after Isaac, Jacob.
She said "O my, how can I give birth when I am an old woman, and here is my husband an old man? This is indeed a strange thing!"
They said "Do you wonder at the decree of God? God's Mercy and Blessings are upon you O people of the House. He is Praiseworthy, Glorious."}Are they Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain??
Or are they Abraham and his wife?? (Prophet + wife....PERIOD)
5- Finally, concerning the alledged "iltifat" in 53
{Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not fear them, but fear Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.}........
According to "our holy bearded ones" , the part marked in red is an example of "iltifat".
What they fail to understand is that sentence consists of an interruptory clause, not a change of subject. It is essentially telling us that the laws of prohibitions of food are part of the "deen" (SYSTEM), which God has set for us.
Just as using a calendar system of 12 months of which 4 are restricted is also part of this system{The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system;(deen) so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous.}..........
Conclusion
I invite all of the sectarians who are members of this forum to read and contemplate upon this issue. I invite them to pay attention and to see what happens when we ignore the Koran and resort to the man-made innovations , traditions and folklore of the 9th Century to "interpret" it, rather than let the self-explanatory Koran explain itself.
Here the Shias have resorted to an innovation known as "hadith al kissa", a fabrication by corrupt Persian scholars to suit their own political agenda of causing division among the believers.
This is an example of what happens when we use hadiths to interpret the Koran, under the guise of "obey the messenger".
It's a clear case of corruption in the name of "obey the messenger" . Obey the fabrications of the corrupt Persian ancestors of Sistani, Qazwini, Sadr and Co., because they alone can "interpret" the ARABIC Koran for us.It is an example of proffessional corruption that is no different than the corruption of the clergy of the people of the book (Jewish and Christian priests).
All under the guise of "Obey the messenger".
Peace..
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The prime argument of the Shias is that in all of the verses 3332-34, God is adressing the wives of the prophet, and using the female suffix, except in that sentence of verse 33 - marked in blue - we see that God switches to the masculin suffix, which means that now their must be at least one male among the ones being addressed. (Arabic readers, please see the Arabic text to verify this).
And He is the Nabi in each of those houses, the residents of which are addressed in it. Earlier Bait is in plural, now singular which shows that the addresses are the same wives, but at one point of time Nabi can be with one of them.
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Salam,
Interesting stuff by Pazuzu but you have not paid attention to some grammatical subtelities.
The exact meaning of iltifat are 2
- a sudden shift in the pronoun of the speaker
- a sudden shift in the person spoken about
(See Grammatical Shift For The Rhetorical Purposes by Abdel Haleem)
In 3333 it's the first type of iltifat that occured.
Second, the use of a preposition before 'ar-rijs' ---> 'an-kum ar-rijs'
In arabic grammar 'an' (3yn + nun) denotes the idea of contiguity (continuity).
This means that the Ahlul Bayt were already free from 'ar-rijs' when the verse was revealed to the Prophet and Allah intends to purify them more that's why the use of 'tathira' in the end of the verse.Now what is the perfect meaning of 'ar-rijs' here ?
Spiritual rijs ? Physical rijs ?
Please note, that the wives of the Prophet were already 'Mothers of the Believers'.
First stage of purification = the obtaining of the title of 'Mothers of the Believers' they became very special because nobody could marry them
Second stage of purification = conditional purification by following the orders of Allah
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Interesting and educational - although a bit condescending .
Good Job!The shias, who worship their imams (although through their "taqiyya" claim to be worshipping God)
That is an annoying misconception which is constantly used against Shias.
You say through taqiyya they claim to be worshiping God - so you're saying they're lying about who they really worship to not endanger themselves and their way of life, right?Well I used to be a Shia (before i Thank God found myself to the right path which is basically following Islam without any sect - God Alone ).
Well I can tell you from first hand experience that Shias like Sunnis worship only Allah.
Although both sects tend to change and twist things to their likings, not to mention superstitions and rituals.I spent a lot of time with both Shias and Sunnis, mainly Shias and used to visit the local shia mosque quite often back when i was one (ca 2-3 yrs ago).
And not once did I see anyone "worship" an Imam the way you'd worship Allah.But that is the past - Free-Minds is the present
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Thank you Pazuzu for this thread, I appreciate it very much specially because of the translation of the Ayats and clarification of Arabic language.
PS
I would just like to know which English translation of the Kuran do you use, or is it just your own translation, you being lucky to know Arabic?