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- 456 i have already explain. is it torture CosmicDancer to tell your child that he/she will feel constant pain if he/she does drugs? or if he cuts her/himself? is it torture to warning your child of the horrors of situation or place? be logical.
If your child does not listen and continues to do drugs, what are YOU going to do?
If you child or family member does not believe in some of the things you say, such as, your child does not believe in code-19, what are YOU going to do?
Im interested to hear and know your theory on what happen to people you have commit huge acts of evil and violence to innocent people when they die (especially if they were never punish or caught in this life)? Do you believe nothing happens to them right cosmicdance? Or do you believe they simply return back to the cosmos and live happily without justice right? OR do you believe they simply stop existing like all human being will do and have no accountability?
No human has ever known what happens after death? If you've been there or resurrected back on earth, then let us know? - 456 i have already explain. is it torture CosmicDancer to tell your child that he/she will feel constant pain if he/she does drugs? or if he cuts her/himself? is it torture to warning your child of the horrors of situation or place? be logical.
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zidd hain
ab toh hain khud ko mitana
hona hain tujhmein fanaaMein ishq da piyala pee aaya.
Ek pal mein sadiyan jee aaya
http//youtube.com/watch?v=iey6L69ORGE (my most favourite btw). -
peace
Nadeem, do you speak urdu?Yes!
I read somewhere about the "true meaning" of eternity. It was that eternity (in a religious/spiritual context) doesn't refer to a long period of time, but "pure presense" or something like that. I didn't quite understand it very well.
But whatever that guy said, we can't say the quran means that too.OPF,Are you being serious? My sarcasm meter isn't working today.
Not at all, it drove me to study hadeeth for an answer ;D
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The reason I guess I never had nightmares about hell is because the idea of living in hell is too horrible to even dream about.
Heaven, no matter how horrible it might be, is better than hell. I'll take eternal boredom over eternal pain any day.what did the prophet say?
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If your child does not listen and continues to do drugs, what are YOU going to do?
If you child or family member does not believe in some of the things you say, such as, your child does not believe in code-19, what are YOU going to do?
You missed the point Genteel. It?s not about me or you or the child. It's about the warnings. That fact is there is no harm in warnings. Harshness or gentle warnings are still warnings.
Be logical. Hell is what it is. To warn people of it is not wrong, even if the warnings are harsh and stern. GOD testifies that Hell is a horrific place. To warning us of it doesn?t testify that GOD torture people in Hell. You nor CosmicDancer can present one verse that says GOD will torture people in hell. All verses in the Quran with regards to hell and retribution are symbolic. CosmicDancer has taken then literally and have a misconception that such retribution is unjust base on his human, limited knowledge, and self-indeludge standards.
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Supposing that CD's morality is true (that the descriptions are torture), then with the Quranic statements, it becomes apparent that either NOBODY gets tortured, or after us, there'll be people that make Hitler look like a flamboyant San Francisco inhabitant.
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You missed the point Genteel. It?s not about me or you or the child. It's about the warnings. That fact is there is no harm in warnings. Harshness or gentle warnings are still warnings.
I didn't miss your point, SHM. I asked you couple of questions in response to your statements made which you did not answer. To tell someone or warn someone, is obviously not torture. How one handles the situation after the fact that your "telling" falls on deaf ears, is what I am interested in, as in the example of child you presented.is it torture CosmicDancer to tell your child that he/she will feel constant pain if he/she does drugs? or if he cuts her/himself? is it torture to warning your child of the horrors of situation or place? be logical.
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a question to Cosmic Dancer and Gentel,
Since you degree that hell as punishment seem illogical, what should be the punishment for torturing people if someone is guilty of torturing people themselves?
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SHM, you've yet to answer the very pertinent and extremely important questions requested of you which you seem to dodge around for the third time. Why?
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SHM, you've yet to answer the very pertinent and extremely important questions requested of you which you seem to dodge around for the third time. Why?
I didn't answer because the question doesn't make seem. i use an analogy about warnings not being torture nor being mean but actually testifies to mercy and kindness (since one is warning and not concealing info that can potential have a person life). You asked "How one handles the situation after the fact that your "telling" falls on deaf ears, is what I am interested in, as in the example of child you presented"
do you mean literally or symbolically? because literally, if i warn a child about putting its hand in fire, and it still puts it hand in the fire, unfortunately, the child gets burn. same for a adult, or an older person. the consequence remains the same. the person was simply warn of it. however, i dont see the "very pertinent and extremely important (ance)" in that. it testify to my point actually, the hell is ultimate accountability and consequence.
Why will GOD warns humans of consequences/hell, yet never delivers that consequence and justice as if the it doesnt even exist? Is GOD lying? Is he simply trying to deceive us with warning so we can do good, yet such warning a hollow and with no real consequences? And if that is so, technically there is no such thing as good or evil since all actions will never produce benefit or harm (nor righteous or wrong)? Is that logical? No.
Now if you can't answer my question, it okay, because the point I was trying to make to you (and CosmiDancer) is....you cannot determine absolute fair andn just, yet criticize with presenting a logical answer or alternative.
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SHM, telling or warning about any wrongdoing to anyone is common sense and wise. I've no problem there but you keep regurgitating the same. There's a point of responsibility that one must take in order to curb or eliminate the wrongdoing. If a person continues to dwell in wrongdoings and does not listen, then there are consequences ofcourse. The consequences can be dreadful upon themselves or can be intervened as a punishment to stop it. There are rules and conditions of punishment and can be reasonably harsh but exercised in an ethical and logical manner. Do you agree thus far?
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Bump! /SHM.
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is this thread still going.
Have you seen the video of Prince Charles I posted in the General Forum?
If you look carefully you will spot me... LOL...
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is this thread still going.
It's the Duracell.Have you seen the video of Prince Charles I posted in the General Forum?
If you look carefully you will spot me... LOL...
Are you by any chance one of the gentlemen in glasses in their late 40's perhaps? -
It's the Duracell. )
Are you by any chance one of the gentlemen in glasses in their late 40's perhaps?No glassess.
Waist coat and tie short beard - introducing kids - it's my classroom lol
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It's the Duracell.
Are you by any chance one of the gentlemen in glasses in their late 40's perhaps?the guy in glasses and long jacket is Yusuf Islam fgs (Cat Stevens lol)
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No glassess.
Waist coat and tie short beard - introducing kids - it's my classroom lol
Cool!"Yusuf Islam" is what I initially had in mind. Sorry mate, I was deceived. But what the heck are you doing with your classroom if I may ask;....... evolving or revolving the innocent. )
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Cool!
"Yusuf Islam" is what I initially had in mind. Sorry mate, I was deceived. But what the heck are you doing with your classroom if I may ask;....... evolving or revolving the innocent. )
That was back in 2000 - before I lost my faith.
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nods this is something i struggle with, as well. if God is Al-Rahman and Al-Rahim, how can there be a hell? and if God is Al-Ghafur, why the eternal punishment?
and again, if God guides and leads astray those who He wills, is it the faults of those who can not believe? at the same time, there are many places in the Quran where non-believers are heard to say things like "if God had willed us to believe, we would believe", and these arguments are then rejected.