Who is "Abu Lahab" in this Aya
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Yes Quranists, I would like to know too. )
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Peace
Fictitious, no not really. It is a representation of a condition of mankind. I do not think your broad brush strokes are necessary when addressing "quranists".
Joe
Prove it that it is "Factitious".
Very strange ! your factitious characters have "wives" also.
Very colorful factitious characters.
Only saying that it is factitious does not carry weight.2111
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These people don't understand that the Quran is not supposed to be read by itself. You need to know history, and especially the ahadeeth in order to understand the Holy Quran. Otherwise you wouldn't know what it is talking about. There is an aspect of Islam called asbab ul nuzul, which means the reason for the revelation of a particular verse of the Holy Quran. If you ignore this science of Quran, you will not know its true meaning and you will follow conjecture, as these quranists are clearly demonstrating when they say abu lahab represents the condition of man and is a fictious person.
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Peace Leoxyz
Yes, one's mates can be a detriment to growth which is why we are instructed to link with those of like character.
Joe
Does the Quran use "Clear" language or "metaphoric " language "
According to you people
Qibla = metaphoric
Masjidul Haraam = metaphoric
Sajada = metaphoric
salat =metaphoric
Hajj = metaphoric
Zayd = metaphoric
Abulahab = metaphoric
Is there any "Clear" Language ?? or only this "ambiguous " (ma3aazallah)? -
Peace Leoxyz
Metaphoric is not necessarily unclear and "you people" does not apply to all the people whom you are accusing of doing these things. I particularly look to different meanings than one's based on historical context.
Is there any "Clear" Language ?? or only this "ambiguous " (ma3aazallah)?
To me mutashabih verses are this way because they have a basis in established currents of thought in the quran. Those seeking an interpretation contrary to these currents of thought can do so, but because they are based on already established currents of thought they are not ambiguous in any way.
Joe
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Peace Leoxyz
Metaphoric is not necessarily unclear and "you people" does not apply to all the people whom you are accusing of doing these things. I particularly look to different meanings than one's based on historical context.
To me mutashabih verses are this way because they have a basis in established currents of thought in the quran. Those seeking an interpretation contrary to these currents of thought can do so, but because they are based on already established currents of thought they are not ambiguous in any way.
Joe
Subhanallah
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Peace Yusha
Yea, I think ahadeeth may be the window, or the lens through which some muslims see the quran. When I'm speaking of ahadeeth here I do not mean simply stories or histories, but the histories linked to Muhammad in the body of work followed by a certain ummah and their scholars.
There is an aspect of Islam called asbab ul nuzul, which means the reason for the revelation of a particular verse of the Holy Quran.
This is a very interesting concept where apparently God solves a problem for the messenger only as it arises. I think however, that these are already established behaviors of humanity. This kitaab is like a book distinguishing the constitution of the human, their different probable natures as has been the case seemingly throughout our history. The fall from grace, the ability to understand wrong and then purify oneself to assume that disposition of salaam.
Joe
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Dear Friends;
Who was "abu Lahab" in this Aya??1111
Is it a factitious character also (as Per Quranist) ??
Dear Friend,
Abu Lahab was Muhammad's Fathers Brother (his uncle) and he was his ardent enemy this fact is coded in the Quran see below;
1111] Condemned are the works of Abee Lahab, and he is condemned.His money and whatever he has accomplished will never help him.
He has incurred the blazing Hell.
Also his wife, who led the persecution.
She will be (resurrected) with a rope of thorns around her neck.
Abu Laheb is confirmed here to be Muhammad?s fathers brother.
The words for fathers brother in Arabic are Aumam which has geometric value as follows;
Aan = 70, Meem = 40 x2 when add these we get 70 + 40 + 40 = 150
Add the verses in 1111-5 we get 15.
When we concatenate the chapter and verses above with geometric value of Muhammad and and geometric value above in this order, thus when one says Muhammad?s Uncle it would be gv Muhammad and gv Aumam. we get;
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19
Glory be to the Almighty
In order to know more about how the code works, you can ask me about it by sending me email..
Kind Regards
Ijaz
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Peace Ijaz, all,
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19
But wait... Ijaz=4 the=3 numerologist=12, and 4+3+12=19 !!
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x "Ijaz the numerologist"
So according to the clear guidance of Code 19, we can clearly see who Abu Lahab is actually.
Glory be to the Almighty
Indeed.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace "leo" and "yusha",
I agree that certain verses of the Quran refer to a particular historical event. BUT unlike the sunni/shia biased method we need to use ARCHEOLOGICAL RESERACH in order to show what the Quran actually means NOT some silly hadith of which there is zero evidence. Get it? And that evidence may tell a complete different story of abi lahab, hsi wife, zul qarnain, etc as of that which maybe extracted from hadith and that arch evidence is then to be considered. This is how it works unbiasedly. You sunnis/shia are totally devoid of the scientific method. GOD Bless! -
Peace Ijaz, all,
But wait... Ijaz=4 the=3 numerologist=12, and 4+3+12=19 !!
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x "Ijaz the numerologist"
So according to the clear guidance of Code 19, we can clearly see who Abu Lahab is actually.
Indeed.
Peace,
Ayman
Hi Ayman,
For you to be truth seeker, you are just false seeker. From your remarks above, it is clear that you have no understanding of DIVINITY of the Quran and you have no clue about the usage of the miracle of 19..
So please do not be swayed by his 5 stars attached to his name this man is complete novice.
And why would you say peace if you don't mean it, it is rather hypocritical, another attribute to your name..
bye
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Abu Lahab was Muhammad's Fathers Brother (his uncle) and he was his ardent enemy this fact is coded in the Quran see below;
1111] Condemned are the works of Abee Lahab, and he is condemned.His money and whatever he has accomplished will never help him.
He has incurred the blazing Hell.
Also his wife, who led the persecution.
She will be (resurrected) with a rope of thorns around her neck.
Abu Laheb is confirmed here to be Muhammad?s fathers brother.
The words for fathers brother in Arabic are Aumam which has geometric value as follows;
Aan = 70, Meem = 40 x2 when add these we get 70 + 40 + 40 = 150
Add the verses in 1111-5 we get 15.
When we concatenate the chapter and verses above with geometric value of Muhammad and and geometric value above in this order, thus when one says Muhammad?s Uncle it would be gv Muhammad and gv Aumam. we get;
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19
Glory be to the Almighty
In order to know more about how the code works, you can ask me about it by sending me email..
Kind Regards
Ijaz
Where did you get the idea father?s brother?
This is working the problem backwards;
Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked INPUTStep 1 pick a name
Step 2 consult 19 tables
Step 3 111 15 92 {gv of name} = some number x 19I believe the above was what Ayman was trying to explain as well.
Lastly, the persons in Surah 111 are representative of Islamophobia
http//www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-a-definition
Peace
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Where did you get the idea father?s brother?
This is working the problem backwards;
Desired OUTPUT = cherry picked INPUTStep 1 pick a name
Step 2 consult 19 tables
Step 3 111 15 92 {gv of name} = some number x 19I believe the above was what Ayman was trying to explain as well.
Lastly, the persons in Surah 111 are representative of Islamophobia
http//www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-a-definition
No that's not how I did it, I concatenated the chapter, verses and the geometric values first and then tried logically fit i.e chapter first always etc combinations. And the reason I did was that other sources were telling me that he was Muhammad's uncle I just confirmed that to be a fact..
I do not deceive, I have to answer God.
Regards
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No that's not how I did it, I concatenated the chapter, verses and the geometric values first and then tried logically fit i.e chapter first always etc combinations. And the reason I did was that other sources were telling me that he was Muhammad's uncle I just confirmed that to be a fact..
I do not deceive, I have to answer God.
Regards
The same if outside sources said neighbor, cousin, or some Roman; the permutation for names with GV equal to 150 are countless; then we also have all 19 tables containing those verse numbers.
These same numeric ploys (cherry picking INPUT) are used by modern day pollsters/tacticians.
Basically, tell what result (i.e. OUTPUT) you want to see and INPUTS are tweaked accordingly.It?s not a question of your honesty rather a question of the method ? do you understand now?
Peace and regards.
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And the reason I did was that other sources were telling me that he was Muhammad's uncle I just confirmed that to be a fact..
rotfl brickwall How the heck did 19 numerology prove anything about Abu Lahab being an uncle of Muhammad. Quran does not even mention that Abu Lahab was Muhammad's uncle. Can you confirm via 19 that Umme Jamil (wife of Abu Lahab) was the aunt of Muhammad or wife of Abu Lahab. Abu Lahab's original name was Abd al Uzza and that too has not been mentioned. There's not a single verse in the Quran that portrays Muhammad's character directly to his goodfaith and goodwill. There are only four verses that explicitly mentions Muhammad by name and at least two somewhat disturbing. -
Nun de plume,
Could you please explain what you mean by this statement;
then we also have all 19 tables containing those verse numbers.
These same numeric ploys (cherry picking INPUT) are used by modern day pollsters/tacticians.
Basically, tell what result (i.e. OUTPUT) you want to see and INPUTS are tweaked accordingly.As I said I did not use this method, but if you are so sure then can you give an example from the Quran and using your calculations..
It?s not a question of your honesty rather a question of the method ? do you understand now?
No I don't can you clarify what you mean because as I have told you I have not used your prescribed method, therefore I do not know what you are ranting about..
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Peace Ijaz,
Could you please explain what you mean by this statement;
As I said I did not use this method, but if you are so sure then can you give an example from the Quran and using your calculations..Why don't you use the same exact method for determining who the blind man in Chapter 80 is? I know you can't. You know why. Because in the case of the blind man, you have no preconception of who it is. Thus, you can't work backwards to get to your preconceived result.
No I don't can you clarify what you mean because as I have told you I have not used your prescribed method, therefore I do not know what you are ranting about..
You used a certain method that gives you your preconceived result. You obviously tried different methods and combinations until you got the 19 divisible result that you wanted (this is what Code-19 numerologists call "study".
For example, here is what you said
when one says Muhammad?s Uncle it would be gv Muhammad and gv Aumam. we get;
111 15 92 150 = 58504850 x 19Actually, in Arabic saying "Muhammad 'Amm" means "Muhammad is the uncle" rotfl
In Arabic "Muhammad's uncle" should be "'Amm Muhammad". So 'Amm should be first. But probably you tried 111 15 150 92 (and several other combinations) and it didn't give you a 19 divisible. So you conveniently disregard the proper order in Arabic and use the irrelevant English order instead.
This haphazard shifting of the method to reach your preconceived result can be said about every step in your supposed "method". For example, why not add 111 and 15, why not use 111 1 111 2 111 3 111 4 111 5, why not multiply instead of add, etc. etc. etc..... There is a very large number of methods and combinations and guess what, 1 out of every 19 trials of this very large number of trials would naturally give you a 19 divisible result. So the trick is to shift and tweak the method until you get your preconceived result.
This same haphazard shifting of the method to reach your preconceived result can be said not only about your antics on this thread but about every single Code-19 miracle that only mathematical idiots believe in.
Peace,
Ayman