You have asked many questions on this forum, now may I ask something Leoxyz?
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Another example of ridiculous answer.
I would have to disagree, I have actually found that true myself when I am taken to chruch; Whenever I hear something conflicting with my own beliefs (Jesus is Gods equal, actual Mormon teaching) I am almost instantly enraged. There is no problem with Cognitive Dissonance as long as you dont let it cloud your judgement.
On a lighter note, 666th post!
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Sorry to say none of my questions have ever been answered.And if at all some one tried to answer that was without any proper reference.
None of them were able to translate even a few aya ,not to speak of so many other questions.Ok then, let's forget about them, I'm asking you now, if you expect answers from them may I please get some answers from you?
Salam
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Ok then, let's forget about them, I'm asking you now, if you expect answers from them may I please get some answers from you?
Salam
Again sorry
1I cannot forget my unaswered questions.First comes first
2I am not a scholar.I am for the time being in a learning phase.So how can I assure you that I will answer the question. -
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Again sorry
1I cannot forget my unaswered questions.First comes first
2I am not a scholar.I am for the time being in a learning phase.So how can I assure you that I will answer the question.1 People have tried to answer your questions, but each side goes back and forth. Even those that can speak arabic reply to you, yet you say they are wrong. What more do you want? For them to convert? They already answered your question. All of you just keep on going in circles. If they believe a certain way, just leave it at that. Same for the other parties. What more do you want?
2 Im sure the same can be said for many people here as well. Just because you are higher in knowledge of Arabic doesnt mean that others wont gain the same or even a higher level later in life. Life is about learning. Although I do agree that as a Muslim it should be your responsibility to learn some arabic and gain understanding.
Peace
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2 Im sure the same can be said for many people here as well. Just because you are higher in knowledge of Arabic doesnt mean that others wont gain the same or even a higher level later in life. Life is about learning. Although I do agree that as a Muslim it should be your responsibility to learn some arabic and gain understanding.
Peace
That is true not every one is scholar and then they should refrain from tampering the Quran in name of "research"and remain in limits like me.
you saidJust because you are higher in knowledge of Arabic doesnt mean that others wont gain the same or even a higher level later in life.
No dear that is absolutely a wrong concept about me.I have repeatedly said ,I am not a scholar rather just a learner.
This what surprises me when I see clear "Tampering of the Quran"These are not able to translate correctly even this simple aya
Not to speak of other verses in the translation of which they push their own words just like "mufassirin"
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Peace Leoxyz,
That is true not every one is scholar and then they should refrain from tampering the Quran in name of "research"and remain in limits like me.
you said
No dear that is absolutely a wrong concept about me.I have repeatedly said ,I am not a scholar rather just a learner.
This what surprises me when I see clear "Tampering of the Quran"These are not able to translate correctly even this simple aya
Not to speak of other verses in the translation of which they push their own words just like "mufassirin"
So Samia and the others do not translate it correctly, even though they know Arabic? Do you think that they are "tampering with the Quran" intentionally to misguide others or to pursue their own reasoning?
Again, they answered your question. They gave you their translation of it, what more do you want? Didnt they also tell you about their translation of Wudu? What exactly did they not answer?
Peace
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Peace Leoxyz,
So Samia and the others do not translate it correctly, even though they know Arabic? Do you think that they are "tampering with the Quran" intentionally to misguide others or to pursue their own reasoning?
Again, they answered your question. They gave you their translation of it, what more do you want? Didnt they also tell you about their translation of Wudu? What exactly did they not answer?
Peace
She gave me two versions of the ayaa.
1One with "urjulakum"
2One with "urjulikum"Look at her reply
Salaam Leoxyz
It's not about a verse being correct or incorrect. No one is saying it's incorrect. It's about vocalization of the word "arjulakum or arjulikum". If one adopts the fisrt one, and on mere grammatical grounds, it will follow wash your faces wujuuhakum", so it will mean wash your feet.
On the other hand, if one adopts wa arjulikum", it will follow rub your heads ru'uusikum" and it will mean rub your feet.
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And for your information, no one here messes with qur'aan, quite the opposite. If some people divide their efforts between the quraan and some twenty-hundreds other books, we concentrate ALL our efforts on the quraan. Keep an open mind and try to read more than talk.
Do you call it reply from one who is describing "Two versions" or one Verse.
It is a question of common sense contradictiory statements cannot be correct at one time.
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Ok, this thread is digressing!
Let's get this started, I am not trying to get you to believe any sort of dogma or interpretation, I will only be asking these questions in the hopw that both me and you and everyone who reads this thread may benefit.
Although this is a public forum may I ask please that only Leoxyz posts so that everyone can see things easily.
Salam Leoxyz, can you please tell me, in as long or short a post you like what Hadith is.
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Ok, this thread is digressing!
Let's get this started, I am not trying to get you to believe any sort of dogma or interpretation, I will only be asking these questions in the hopw that both me and you and everyone who reads this thread may benefit.
Although this is a public forum may I ask please that only Leoxyz posts so that everyone can see things easily.
Salam Leoxyz, can you please tell me, in as long or short a post you like what Hadith is.
All my answer is in this thread above please.
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Peace,
Amuslim, you're wasting your time on our friend Leo. He knows very well that his questions have been answered, and in most instances, the points raised with the questions, soundly refuted.
Peace
I have given the example above regarding the Aya of "Arjulakum".That was the standard of "Reply /Refutation".
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Will you not answer my questions Leoxyz?
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Insha Allah al-Quraishi, I think I can answer some of your questions since I do believe firmly in Sunnat and Ahadeeth.
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Ok then Yusha, since Leoxyz will not I thank you very much for your participation.
I think everyone on this forum needs to be clear with definitions before we continue further. So, in as many or little words you wish, can you please tell me what Hadith is?
Salam brother and again thank you for your participation.
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Hadith means discourse. In Islamic terminology basically it means the recorded sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam). The Hadith are not his own opinion or interpretation, rather I believe that whatever he said while teaching Islam and the Holy Quran is divinely inspired and not from his own desire
Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. (An-Najm 532-3)
These verses confirm that the ahadith, the saying of our Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) are divine revelation (WAHI), and as Muslims it is incumbant upon us to follow his ahadith.
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Thankyou for that Yusha, you have said some interesting things regarding hadith and what is classified as being wahi. I'm interested in this core concept of hadith you mentioned
In Islamic terminology basically it means the recorded sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam).
How have these sayings been recorded?
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At first the sayings were obviously memorized by his companions, word for word. Than a few generations later it became in impending necessity to record these sayings on paper. So a group of highly righteous and pious people began the task of compiling the most authentic ahadeeth possible. They were the likes of Imam Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, Nasai, and Ibn Maja to name a few. They interviewed people who had learned the hadith, and questioned about where they got their source, so they made a chain and ensured that the chain of narrators go back to the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam) and his illustrious companions. So in a nutshell this is how they were recorded in text/book form.
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Dear Yusha,
I dont mind people believing traditional ahadith/narrations, but please dont lie to yourself.
At first the sayings were obviously memorized by his companions, word for word.
If this is so obvious, where is the evidence this was how it was done?
So a group of highly righteous and pious people began the task of compiling the most authentic ahadeeth possible.
What sources state they were "highly righteous and pious"?
ensured that the chain of narrators go back to the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salaam)
Please tell us how they ensured this so we can see if it stands up to scrutiny.
