According to the quran, what is the lowest heaven?
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I read some mystics, and then went back and read the NT, and suddenly it was an entirely different book. Almost made me giggle.
Does it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you "giggle"? You sound like a Sufi Muslim.
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Does it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you "giggle"? You sound like a Sufi Muslim.
I am probably similar. Sufis have some interesting things to say, although they didn't get most of their concepts from the Quran because the Quran does not have deep concepts in it. They mostly borrowed from eastern thought.
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although they didn't get most of their concepts from the Quran because the Quran does not have deep concepts in it.
The Quran is all about deep concepts. You can ask one of them.
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I'd say that's most of it right there. That's essentially the message of the Quran
Nope.
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Well, perhaps you can give me a few deep concepts.
Even the fanatic Christians admit to deep concepts in the Quran. It'd be a waste of time explaining them to you.
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I am probably similar. Sufis have some interesting things to say, although they didn't get most of their concepts from the Quran because the Quran does not have deep concepts in it. They mostly borrowed from eastern thought.
You did not answer the questions.
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The core message of the Quran is in 6151-160.
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there aren't any to waste your time with. I've read it.
Billions have read it and found it full it full beauty, deep concepts etc.
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Who?
Many missionaries.
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What questions?
After doing your mystics, how did it "suddenly" become a completely different book? Did it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you giggle?
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The core message of the Quran is in 6151-160.
006.151
YUSUFALI Say "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from" Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.Don't kill somebody unless they deserve it.
006.152
YUSUFALI And come not nigh to the orphan's property, except to improve it, until he attain the age of full strength; give measure and weight with (full) justice;- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear;- whenever ye speak, speak justly, even if a near relative is concerned; and fulfil the covenant of Allah thus doth He command you, that ye may remember.Don't touch an orphan's property except to add to it until he gets older. Are these orphans from battle?
006.153
YUSUFALI Verily, this is My way, leading straight follow it follow not (other) paths they will scatter you about from His (great) path thus doth He command you. that ye may be righteous.Do what I say.
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YUSUFALI Moreover, We gave Moses the Book, completing (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining all things in detail,- and a guide and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.God gave Moses a book that showed him the way
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YUSUFALI And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercyTorah or Quran? It's not clear. I think somehow that it quickly switched to the Quran
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YUSUFALI Lest ye should say "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study"006.157
YUSUFALI Or lest ye should say "If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they." Now then hath come unto you a clear (sign) from your Lord,- and a guide and a mercy then who could do more wrong than one who rejecteth Allah's signs, and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.Now there are no excuses as Allah has finally delivered the right, non tamperable book, so pay sparse attention to the past scriptures for they are corrupted and replace them with the Quran
006.158
YUSUFALI Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say "Wait ye we too are waiting."Are they expecting to see miracles? That's not going to happen. The Quran is the miracle and that is sufficient. Reference the infamous phrase, if the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad will go to the mountain.
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YUSUFALI As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least their affair is with Allah He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.Don't break up into sects
006.160
YUSUFALI He that doeth good shall have ten times as much to his credit He that doeth evil shall only be recompensed according to his evil no wrong shall be done unto (any of) them.God has an accountant and a points redemption system
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After doing your mystics, how did it "suddenly" become a completely different book? Did it still contain the same errors? How did it almost make you giggle?
Oh, that one. Yes, it still contained errors. So what? It's a recounting of events. The errors or discrepancies don't affect the meaning as far as I'm concerned. Remember, as I keep saying, it's not the Gospel of Jesus, it's the Gospel according to (fill in the apostle's name). There is nothing that is being hidden about that fact. Not one single Christian will tell you that Jesus wrote the Gospels, or if they do, they are wrong. The titles clearly say it all right in front of you. According to Mark, or Luke, etc etc....meaning their recall and inspiration from God. We learn about Jesus not by being told specifically what to think about him, but by what occurs and what he said in the stories, or recountings. Who cares if there is a contradiction about the fig tree, That would probably happen with two different people's recall. But it was supposed to represent a larger deeper meaning anyway, so the exact details really aren't very important. If one is seeing every little detail of the New Testament, then one is not grasping the deeper meaning the New Testament.
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If one is seeing every little detail of the New Testament, then one is not grasping the deeper meaning the New Testament.
Haha, got to love the double standards.
As for your commentary on those verses, the book is the same for all things. It's a reference to the scripture sent to all messengers.
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Show me one.
The Billions of people who embraced, the philosophers and scientists etc... Even Christian fanatics ( Pope of the Coptic Church) admit to this.
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Oh, that one. Yes, it still contained errors. So what? It's a recounting of events. The errors or discrepancies don't affect the meaning as far as I'm concerned. Remember
So it is not authentic. I cannot have a book that has clear errors in it for inspiration. Christianity is theologically vacuous..
Remember, as I keep saying, it's not the Gospel of Jesus, it's the Gospel according to (fill in the apostle's name). There is nothing that is being hidden about that fact. Not one single Christian will tell you that Jesus wrote the Gospels, or if they do, they are wrong. The titles clearly say it all right in front of you. According to Mark, or Luke, etc etc....meaning their recall and inspiration from God.
All Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God, to contain no errors etc... You are one of the extremely few Christians who admit to errors in it. I truly applaud you for this. The question is, why do not you follow any other book that has no errors in it?
We learn about Jesus not by being told specifically what to think about him, but by what occurs and what he said in the stories, or recountings. Who cares if there is a contradiction about the fig tree, That would probably happen with two different people's recall
See above. Also, I heard some very nasty things about Jesus in Bible, but I won't utter them because I respect and love him.
But it was supposed to represent a larger deeper meaning anyway, so the exact details really aren't very important.
See above.
If one is seeing every little detail of the New Testament, then one is not grasping the deeper meaning the New Testament.
Subjective. Anyone can claim so and so about thier holy book.