Ramadan
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Salaam Belal,
"Now is the period after October 15 Hot or should be...Mild or Cold? Or Maybe it was Global Warming?"
Well I live in a tropical island. But October should be relatively cooler in either hemispheres.95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill those who have set up partners wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and uphold the communion, and contribute towards betterment, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
981 Those who have remained are happy with their position of lagging behind God?s messenger, and they disliked striving with their wealth and lives in the cause of God; and they say?Do not mobilize in the heat.? Say ?The fire of Hell is far hotter,? if they could only understand.
So some were asked to fight in the hot days/summer & this would mean if we see the 4 restricted months stricly as the hot season,this fight would contradict the wait for the 4 restricted months(hot seaon) to be over . So the 4 months may not necessarily be all the way hot/summer OR the start of the 4 months would be earlier than the summer season or (much) later after the onset of the summer season..
If the above discussion has kept to the intended meanings of the words/phrases as found in Quran..Good work..yay..
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So some were asked to fight in the hot days/summer & this would mean if we see the 4 restricted months stricly as the hot season,this fight would contradict the wait for the 4 restricted months(hot seaon) to be over . So the 4 months may not necessarily be all the way hot/summer OR the start of the 4 months would be earlier than the summer season or (much) later after the onset of the summer season..
If the above discussion has kept to the intended meanings of the words/phrases as found in Quran..Good work..yay..
see you..Peace;
I believe that Rammadan (the first month of the restricted months) had to be 4 month before summer season, in the story of chapter 9.
What do you think?
Peace
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Peace;
I believe that Rammadan (the first month of the restricted months) had to be 4 month before summer season, in the story of chapter 9.
What do you think?
Peace
Salaam Bilalhammad,
You posted excellent evidence from the Quran against Ayman?s theory that Ramadan had to be in the peak of the hot season. It took me a while to work it out last night and, I noticed that Rajah too had worked it out above.
May be it is time to move to the next thread about the restricted months
The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteousMay I take the opportunity to remind you that if you follow the way Al-Qur?an was revealed, that is piecemeal and in stages, your posts could be as widely read as they deserve. Your important contribution was largely overlooked, perhaps because the question was not put properly, as big chunk of a post puts off many who take part in the debate.
Just my thoughts hmm
8714 But those will prosper who purify themselves,
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Salaam Bilalhammad,
You posted excellent evidence from the Quran against Ayman?s theory that Ramadan had to be in the peak of the hot season. It took me a while to work it out last night and, I noticed that Rajah too had worked it out above.
May be it is time to move to the next thread about the restricted months
The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's record the day He created the heavens and the Earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteousMay I take the opportunity to remind you that if you follow the way Al-Qur?an was revealed, that is piecemeal and in stages, your posts could be as widely read as they deserve. Your important contribution was largely overlooked, perhaps because the question was not put properly, as big chunk of a post puts off many who take part in the debate.
Just my thoughts hmm
8714 But those will prosper who purify themselves,
peacePeace Frida,
I'm sick to my stomic when me or others find clues from Quran to help us solve our differances and become united, and then someone come along to weaking it, as Samia did. It makes me very Sad.Any way, thank you for your efforts as will, which shows your devotion to find the truth. Ayman theory is what we should solve first; as you know, in his post that I quoted, he believes that Rammadan is the first month of the Four restricted month; and therefore, Rammadan had to fall after June 25th, which is not true according to 9-81.
My next step is to prove that non of the people who came after prophet changed the timing of Rammadan (I worked the prove that shows that it did not happen).
Peace and may God Bless you -
Hello all,
Well it makes sense that ramadan should start earlier as it it were to cross over to the cooler months nearing winter, it would be very dangerous. For the cooler months we need food (thermogenic-yes we need food all year round too) and shelter and maybe the skins/furs of animals as extra clothings to keep warm. Well one should remember quran was revealed about 1200 years ago and the message had remained the same and also generations way way way before that also would have had such a similar Book Of God for their use. Of course the state of things now is quite different in terms in clothing etc, but there's no guarantee.BUT now, we need proof. Hopefully anyone of us would be able to come up with the answer.
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Peace Frida,
My next step is to prove that non of the people who came after prophet changed the timing of Rammadan (I worked the prove that shows that it did not happen).
Peace and may God Bless youSalaam Belalhammad,
If you could share this with us in a new thread, I am sure it would be greatly appreciated by those in search of the truth.
However please do remember you would have quite a few, including Ayman (I hope), on the other side grilling you and asking you some probing questions.3139 Do not be weak, and do not grieve, for you will have the upper hand, if you are believers.
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Salaam Belalhammad,
If you could share this with us in a new thread, I am sure it would be greatly appreciated by those in search of the truth.
However please do remember you would have quite a few, including Ayman (I hope), on the other side grilling you and asking you some probing questions.3139 Do not be weak, and do not grieve, for you will have the upper hand, if you are believers.
Peace;
Sure, I will share it with every believer. But I will try to do after Rammadan (what do you think)?
Peace -
Salaam Belalhammad,
What ever suits you best.
May Allah bless you for your good work.
faridaSame to you;
Here are some words from your Lord that will make you feel betterWe know indeed the grief which their words cause you it is not you that they deny, but it is the Verses of All?h that the Z?lim?n deny. (33)
Verily, Messengers were denied before you, but with patience they bore the denial, and they were hurt, till Our Help reached them, and none can alter the Words of All?h. Surely there has reached you the information about the Messengers(34)
If their aversion is hard on you, then if you were able to seek a tunnel in the earth or a ladder to the sky, so that you may bring them a sign . And had All?h willed, He could have gathered them together on true guidance, so be not you one of those who are Al-J?hil?n (the ignorant). (35)
It is only those who listen will respond, but as for the dead, All?h will raise them up, then to Him they will be returned(6-36)May God Bless you and your Familly.
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Hello all,
Well it makes sense that ramadan should start earlier as it it were to cross over to the cooler months nearing winter, it would be very dangerous. For the cooler months we need food (thermogenic-yes we need food all year round too) and shelter and maybe the skins/furs of animals as extra clothings to keep warm. Well one should remember quran was revealed about 1200 years ago and the message had remained the same and also generations way way way before that also would have had such a similar Book Of God for their use. Of course the state of things now is quite different in terms in clothing etc, but there's no guarantee.BUT now, we need proof. Hopefully anyone of us would be able to come up with the answer.
salaam.....Salaam Rajah,
You see only your side of the world whereas God see?s us all. It?s equally dangerous in hot weather in countries where the temp is in the range of 50c and days are longer. Along with food, you need to keep up with the supply of water and salt, or there is a serious danger of dehydration. However, as you know, no one is expected to do more than what they can bear so there is the option to feed the poor.
The purpose of fasting is not to punish us but to make us experience what if feels like, in all seasons, to be without food and water.Well one should remember quran was revealed about 1200 years ago and the message had remained the same and also generations way way way before that also would have had such a similar Book Of God for their use. Of course the state of things now is quite different in terms in clothing etc, but
With the modern facilities, I am sure, most of us have seen images of starving people in, mainly, African countries and, every time I see those pictures I say to myself ?when we fast, at least we have the hope that food will be there for us in the evening, whereas for them its no end of fasting; nothing for them to look forward to. The image of starving children clinging to the mothers with sad, dried up breasts haunts me and brings tears to my eyes, especially in Ramadan. Only with the experience deep in your body of ravishing hunger and thirst can you truly empathise with their suffering.
Yes!!! "the message had remained the same"
When one experiences thirst and hunger and keeps in mind that the reason we are commanded to do it is to make us fearing and obeying( mutaqeenn) the result will be that we develop empathy and humility and a sense of responsibility to act as true trustees of this world.but there's no guarantee
We could one day end up in a situation where we have no supply of food and water and those who fasted will be better equipped to deal with the situation.
I believe the main reason for each and every one of us to experience what its like to be without food water any sort of nourishment for the body so we may fear that it could happen to us and to obey God by working for the benefit of the world at large. That is why, if you cannot fast, you feed the poor so either way you save food contribute towards eliminating the shortage of food.l remember reading some research by a non-Muslim that if the whole world was to fast just for one day there would be enough food to feed everyone. In that research he particularly mentioned the Muslim way of fasting for a month and, how such a method would result in saving food.
As for the benefit of fasting are huge but the purpose of fasting is linked to feeding the poor and
2183 O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, as it was decreed for those before you, that you may attain salvation