regarding kabah
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salam brother Allen
i appreciate you are trying to make a point, but it seems to get stretched out by playing cat and mouse. why don't you provide your answers for all of us to benefit from your knowledge and understanding.
if sister Samia (or anyone else) disagrees, she could still retort.
thank you.
salam
Dear Ignoramus
This is not question of cat/mouse play.This is really very important linguistic problem.Saying "forget about it " is
-height of ignorance ,the person saying this , does not know the fundamentals of a language
-or it is an attempt to befool others by hiding the intricacies.
Every language has its rules connotations attached to certain uses.
I give you an example in English.
There is a lot of difference
-English
-The EnglishThere is a lot of difference between these pairs of sentences
1
He went to school
He went to the school.
2
He went to hospital
He went to the hospital
3
He went to sea.
He went to the sea.
In English capitalization has impact on the meaning e.g.
-god
-God
Look up in grammar books and dictionaries and verify them.
Same is the case with Arabic language.Saying "forget about it" is not the proper way to interpret the Quran verses.
Just a hint;
-The word 'kitaab" means "any book"
But when Quran uses it as "Al-kitaab" ,do you really mean "any book" lying on your shelf?? .It will definitely mean some specific book and you will translate it as "The book" not "any book'.
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Dear Ignoramus
This is not question of cat/mouse play.This is really very important linguistic problem.Saying "forget about it " is
-height of ignorance ,the person saying this , does not know the fundamentals of a language
-or it is an attempt to befool others by hiding the intricacies.
Every language has its rules connotations attached to certain uses.
I give you an example in English.
There is a lot of difference
-English
-The EnglishThere is a lot of difference between these pairs of sentences
1
He went to school
He went to the school.
2
He went to hospital
He went to the hospital
3
He went to sea.
He went to the sea.
In English capitalization has impact on the meaning e.g.
-god
-God
Look up in grammar books and dictionaries and verify them.
Same is the case with Arabic language.Saying "forget about it" is not the proper way to interpret the Quran verses.
Just a hint;
-The word 'kitaab" means "any book"
But when Quran uses it as "Al-kitaab" ,do you really mean "any book" lying on your shelf?? .It will definitely mean some specific book and you will translate it as "The book" not "any book'.
I will comment further once I get reply from her.Try not to dwell in bad conjecture. When I said "forget about alif laam", I followed it with "mash3ar is a singular", because the dictionari(es) you copy from treat it as plural and use it as "mashaa3ir".
From this quote, it says (the plural of almash3ar is mashaa3ir), so the plural does not carry an alif laam. Then it keeps talking about "sha3aa'ir", and although it does not explicitly say it is the plural of "mash3ar", the dictionary gives the impression that it is the plural of mash3ar. Another dictionary gives the singular of "sha3aair" as "sha3eera"!!!
This confusion is more important to solve than discussing why there is an alif laam.
So, what's the importance of the alif laam to the meaning, if we cannot decide what the plural of mash3ar is or what plural is mashaa3ir, or wheather "mash3ar" can take a plural or not?
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Try not to dwell in bad conjecture. When I said "forget about alif laam", I followed it with "mash3ar is a singular", because the dictionari(es) you copy from treat it as plural and use it as "mashaa3ir".
From this quote, it says (the plural of almash3ar is mashaa3ir), so the plural does not carry an alif laam. Then it keeps talking about "sha3aa'ir", and although it does not explicitly say it is the plural of "mash3ar", the dictionary gives the impression that it is the plural of mash3ar. Another dictionary gives the singular of "sha3aair" as "sha3eera"!!!
This confusion is more important to solve than discussing why there is an alif laam.So, what's the importance of the alif laam to the meaning, if we cannot decide what the plural of mash3ar is or what plural is mashaa3ir, or wheather "mash3ar" can take a plural or not?
Why are you avoiding my question of Alif --laam ??
You are circumventing as Ayaman did in his/her posts.
Please answer these two questions
-What are different types of Alif -laam ?
-What type of Alif -laam is being used in this phrase?
You are avoiding it because you want to deceive the reading with your self concoted ,preconceived ideas.What is stopping you ?? -
Dear Sister
May I ask you the reason for RELUCTANCE TO ANSWER these simple /fundamental questions ??You ask questions, not because you want to know, but beause you want to "test", and that's unacceptable. I replied to your question in the way I would give in to a noisy child, just to buy the piece of my mind.
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You ask questions, not because you want to know, but beause you want to "test", and that's unacceptable. I replied to your question in the way I would give in to a noisy child, just to buy the piece of my mind.
I replied in this way when you asked me about the active participles of "Sabaha".Do you remember ??
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I replied in this way when you asked me about the active participles of "Sabaha".Do you remember ??
I was not chasing you with a meaningless question and insisting that you answered it. I wouldn't even have bothered if you did not reply, because I had already moved on.
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Samia
Salaam Nun
Thanks for your reply. Do you mean that God assigned Jeurasalem a "qibla" to the Jews?
Recall that we said, "Enter this town, where you will find as many provisions as you like. Just enter the gate humbly, and treat the people nicely. We will then forgive your sins, and increase the reward for the pious."
Neither the disbelievers among the followers of the scripture, nor the idol worshipers, wish to see any blessings come down to you from your Lord. However, GOD showers His blessings upon whomever He chooses. GOD possesses infinite grace.
Neither the Jews, nor the Christians, will accept you, unless you follow their religion. Say, "GOD's guidance is the true guidance." If you acquiesce to their wishes, despite the knowledge you have received, you will find no ally or supporter to help you against GOD.
The fools among the people would say, "Why did they change the direction of their Qiblah?" Say, "To GOD belongs the east and the west; He guides whoever wills in a straight path."
We thus made you an impartial community, that you may serve as witnesses among the people, and the messenger serves as a witness among you. We changed the direction of your original Qiblah only to distinguish those among you who readily follow the messenger from those who would turn back on their heels. It was a difficult test, but not for those who are guided by GOD. GOD never puts your worship to waste. GOD is Compassionate towards the people, Most Merciful.
We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.
Even if you show the followers of the scripture every kind of miracle, they will not follow your Qiblah. Nor shall you follow their Qiblah. They do not even follow each others' Qiblah. If you acquiesce to their wishes, after the knowledge that has come to you, you will belong with the transgressors
SAmia for your Eyes Only.
Psalm 956)"O come, let us worship and bow down let us kneel before the Lord our maker.",
(Joshua 1842)"And Joshua fell on his face to the Earth, and did worship...",
(I Kings 1842)"And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the Earth, and put his face between his knees.",
(Numbers 206)"...and they fell upon their faces and the Glory of the Lord appeared on them.", (Genesis 173)"And Abram fell on his face and God talked with him, saying -
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First let us confirm that Jews do pray and if they pray HOW? and where do they FAce while Praying?
Comments of a JEW
Many Jews do still prostrate during prayer; we do it during a prayer we call the Great Aleinu (?Aleinu? means ?it is incumbent upon us,? and the prayer continues ??to praise the God of all??) The Aleinu is recited three times daily, in our daily prayer; the Great Aleinu, which adds passages about God?s sovereignty, is recited only on Rosh Hashanah (the Jewish New Year) and Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement.)
I?ve only been doing this prostration for the last, oh, maybe five years ? before that I was unaware of the custom. It is one of the most spiritually powerful moments of my year, especially because I?m aware that it mirrors the way our Muslim cousins pray daily.
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Bible Focus
However despite the precedent of the Temple built during King Solmon's reign, Jewish synagogues are not oriented East specifically, rather they are orientated to face Jerusalem. In an analysis of ancient Synagogues the historian J. Branham (1992) writes, ?Masada, Herodium, Gamla and Delos.. synagogues..co-existed with the Second Temple during the first century. These buildings are not, however, orientated in any unified way. While each may evince a particular expression of orientation to Jerusalem, none employs the same axis? but ?After the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE many synagogues were built with both entrances and windows facing Jerusalem.?Daniel 610. Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
?The Shemoneh Esrei is said while facing the direction of Eretz Yisrael. Worshippers in Eretz Yisrael face towards Jerusalem. Worshippers in Jerusalem face the Temple Mount?(it) is said with feet together (Ezekiel 17).., said quietly (1Sam 113) ..as we also relate to God as the King of Kings.. three small forward steps are taken before beginning. The idea that one ?approaches? God to pray is found several times in the Bible (Gen 1823, 1 Kings1836). Similarly one takes three steps backward at the very end..(then).. slightly bow three times from the waist.?
And those far away use as NUN DE PLUME pointed out KOSHER KOMPAS to find out direction.
SO SAMIA IF YOU AND AYMAN STILL INSIST than
Even if you show the followers of the scripture every kind of miracle, they will not follow your Qiblah. Nor shall you follow their Qiblah. They do not even follow each others' Qiblah. If you acquiesce to their wishes, after the knowledge that has come to you, you will belong with the transgressors
ITs up to You to decide.
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We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.
Raj-ah
Why was the prophet turning his face about the sky if he already had a "qibla" which was towards Jerusalem? The expression (turning your face about the sky) describes some one who is confused, not one who got his "God-assigned qibla".
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Raj-ah
Why was the prophet turning his face about the sky if he already had a "qibla" which was towards Jerusalem? The expression (turning your face about the sky) describes some one who is confused, not one who got his "God-assigned qibla".
Turning the face to sky means 'confusion' ?? Are you sure ??
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But why he was turning his face to sky was he not aware that God is every where????
salam
i am not saying that the Quran is talking about confusion, however looking up at the sky is a natural reaction to confusion, not to physically see God. i remember many points in my life, even as an infant, looking at the stars pondering about God and the nature of existence and reality.
i think the point is being unnecessarily laboured.
salam
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salam
i am not saying that the Quran is talking about confusion, however looking up at the sky is a natural reaction to confusion, not to physically see God. i remember many points in my life, even as an infant, looking at the stars pondering about God and the nature of existence and reality.
i think the point is being unnecessarily laboured.
salam
Surprised at your understanding
Actual verse =(2144) We have seen you turning your face over and over again towards Heaven. Now, therefore, We turn you towards the qiblah that you like.
Just an example
If I say to ignoramus
Well friend ! I know you have been visiting my house again and again.Do not worry I will lend you books so that you can prepare for your exam properly.
Does it mean ignoramus visited my house again and again because of "Confusion".Try to locate the reason for visiting ,from this sentence. -
Surprised at your understanding
Actual verse =(2144) We have seen you turning your face over and over again towards Heaven. Now, therefore, We turn you towards the qiblah that you like.
Just an example
If I say to ignoramus
Well friend ! I know you have been visiting my house again and again.Do not worry I will lend you books so that you can prepare for your exam properly.
Does it mean ignoramus visited my house again and again because of "Confusion".Try to locate the reason for visiting ,from this sentence.salam dear brother Allen
it would be much better for all of us if you explained the points you are trying to make rather than cross-examining us. can you please explain what your point is.
thank you.
salam
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salam dear brother Allen
it would be much better for all of us if you explained the points you are trying to make rather than cross-examining us. can you please explain what your point is.
thank you.
salam
This is pretty obvious from the example I have given.If you could not understand even then what can I say?