regarding kabah
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Peace Rajah,
You don't even know the meaning of the word "kaaba" and thus are unable to translate it.
The house of the god is the base and not some pagan stone cube and its location is given precisely in 2226. It is not my problem that you don't have faith in 2226.
If you are looking for proof that stone cubes were located in Northern Arabia then there is plenty of it. You can go to Petra in Northern Arabia and see the stone cubes that you love to adore
http//img407.imageshack.us/img407/3543/5blockpetrahl9.jpg
http//img186.imageshack.us/img186/8889/4petradjinnblockslo3.jpg
I know you love stone cubes but please resist the urge to kiss or bow towards the images displayed on your computer screen.
Peace,
Ayman
Is this about the Ka'ba or the Masjid Al Haram? What is the Masjid Al Haram?
Why would changing the Qibla from Jerusalem to Makkah be a problem for many of the foolowers?
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Bigmo
Maybe it was changed from Makkah to Jerusalem.
It could not be, dear Bigmo because of the following Ayat
We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid.
Muhammad an Arab
Born in Mecca, brought up In Mecca
Could natrually only be pleased if the Mosque/house of his birth place is to be assigned as Qibla for all the Muslims and not offcourse a Mosque or Place some thousand miles away.Only in this way the Prophecy of Abraham could have been fullfilled.
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Bigmo
It could not be, dear Bigmo because of the following AyatWe have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid.
Could natrually only be pleased if the Mosque/house of his birth place is to be assigned as Qibla for all the Muslims and not offcourse a Mosque or Place some thousand miles away.
Salaam Raj-ah
So it is about him and the house of his birth, not the house of Allah? Are you sure these were the intentions of the prophet?
And what about this "distance"? He was looking at the sky for heaven's sake, millions of miles away, searching for a "qibla". Why not look down to the earth?
And as jafar says, why would Muhammad "be pleased" with a supermarket of idols and a place where he had but enemies that chased him out of it? Patriotism?
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Salaam Raj-ah
And as jafar says, why would Muhammad "be pleased" with a supermarket of idols and a place where he had but enemies that chased him out of it? Patriotism?
Maybe he won Idol Supermarket Sweep? ;D
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Peace Rajah
Dargento
Come on D you can't even read properly, sorry to say, how come you can make a better case for becca??396 The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk'a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.
You quoted and you did not even read the quote, before responding, The quote says, to unite muslims in their worship of One true God.
I did read it again, and again. 'Muslim' is not a proper noun, Jesus' disciples call themselves 'muslim' in al quran, abraham, jacob etc....
We are talking about worship and particularly Salaat.
Kaaba has nothing to do with it in al quran
Why should I face Kaaba while driving? and working ? am I worshipping?
Because you are asked to face it WHEREVER we are, not during salaat, but wherever we are. Allah doesn't forget nor does he err. It doesn't say 'face masjid al haraam DURING SALAT' This is your own interpretation that has zero basis.
Dargento
You have quoted it in bold and Pitty you have not read it.
When reading this verse with above verses which I quoted, it can easily be understood that,I've read it, you just want me to draw conclusions based on preconceived notions.
Offcourse WE HAVE TO TURN OUR FACES AT SOME PARTICULAR DIRECTION, but ............................................they are the righteous.
Maybe so, but it sure as hell ain't 'kaaba'
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Peace Rajah
Because you are asked to face it WHEREVER we are, not during salaat, but wherever we are. Allah doesn't forget nor does he err. It doesn't say 'face masjid al haraam DURING SALAT' This is your own interpretation that has zero basis.
Yes I agree it is his own interpretation.He does not understand the commands e.g If Bush orders his soldiers "Whereever you are fight against the enemies of USA",then it automatically means USA soldiers should always go on fighting even
-during sleep
-during eating
-during their visit to lavatory for the call of nature.
Poor Raja -
thank you for that insightful and well thought-out reply, and also comparing God to George W. Bush
bravo
2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who honors the Connection, and who contributes towards betterment; as well as those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous.
2146 Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it as they know their own children; and a group of them hides the truth while they know.
If masjid al haram = kaaba, 2146 becomes non-sense
"Back to our old ways are we"
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Peace Rajah
396 The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk'a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.
Remember that there is also a "Becca Valley" in today's Lebanon.
That place got some spotlight recently due to the Hezbollah vs Israel conflict.Salam
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Sacred Masjid.
Muhammad an Arab
Born in Mecca, brought up In Mecca
Could natrually only be pleased if the Mosque/house of his birth place is to be assigned as Qibla for all the Muslims and not offcourse a Mosque or Place some thousand miles away.There is NO evidence that Muhammad is an Arab or a Quraish.
There is NO evidence that Muhammad was born in Mecca.
There is NO evidence that Muhammad is an Arabic name, before the rise of Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah and his mates.
There IS evidence that Muhammad or Mahmad is a common Bani Ishmail's name, literally means Praised. Even long before Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah's time (circa 600AD).The Jews makes a great distinction of The Arab's People and the BENEY YISHMEEL (People Of Ishmail)
The word ARAB can be derived from Hebrew ARAV which literally means DESERT. ARAVAH means DESERT PLAIN.
Thus Arab People means Desert people.
BENEY YISHMEEL was living in the northern part of Arab Peninsula, in the crossroad between Kanaan and Sinai.There are also a group of BENEY YISHMEEL who lives alongside their cousin the BENEY YISREEL in Kanaan or today's Israel/Palestine.
They create their own group/sect and named KARAITES by the Jews.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_JudaismThey refuse the "Ijma Ulema" and also "Hadith" (Mishna) as forced to believed by the Rabbanical Judaism.
And they suffer dearly from it.. (Declared infidel/murtaad/kaffir by the mainstream Rabbanical Judaism)Salam
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There is NO evidence that Muhammad is an Arab...
Evidence that the above is TRUE.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/41/41_44.htm
4144 Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes) They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/47/47_2.htm
472 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Grave_of_muhammad.png/180px-Grave_of_muhammad.png
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Evidence that the above is TRUE.
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/41/41_44.htm
4144 Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes) They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
http//www.islamicity.com/mosque/arabicscript/Ayat/47/47_2.htm
472 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Grave_of_muhammad.png/180px-Grave_of_muhammad.png
472 shows that there was some revelation to Muhammad PBUH.Which Revelation whether it was really Quran or something else ,the Holy Quran is silent.
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472 shows that there was some revelation to Muhammad PBUH.Which Revelation whether it was really Quran or something else ,the Holy Quran is silent.
Silent? There is only one Qur'an which should be read as a whole not one verse...
? Al-Baqara (The Cow) >
? An-Nisa (The Women)>
? Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) >
? Al-An'am (The Cattle) >
? Al-A'raf (The Heights) >
? At-Tauba (The Repentance)>
? Yunus>
? Yusuf (Joseph)
? Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder)
? Al-Hijr (The Rocky Tract)
? An-Nahl (The Bee)
? Al-Isra (The Journey by Night)
? Al-Kahf (The Cave)
? Maryam (Mary)
? Ta-Ha
? Al-Anbiya (The Prophets)
? Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)
? Al-Mu'minun (The Believers)
? Al-Furqan (The Criterion)
? An-Naml (The Ants)
? Al-Qasas (The Narration)
? Ar-Rum (The Romans)
? Ya-Sin (Ya-Sin)
? As-Saffat (The Rangers)
? Suad
? Az-Zumar (The Groups)
? Fussilat (Explained in Detail)
? Ash-Shura (The Consultation)
? Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments)
? Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke)
? Al-Ahqaf (The Curved Sandhills)
? Muhammad
? Qaf
? Al-Qamar (The Moon)
? Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent)
? Al-Waqi'a (The Event)
? Al-Hashr (The Gathering)
? Al-Jinn (The Jinn)
? Al-Muzzammil (Folded in Garments)
? Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection)
? Al-Insan (Man)
? Al-Inshiqaq (The Splitting Asunder)
? Al-Buruj (The Big Stars)151 A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear.
1587 And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an.
1854 We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude but man is, in most things, contentious.
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Silent? There is only one Qur'an which should be read as a whole not one verse...
? Al-Baqara (The Cow) >
? An-Nisa (The Women)>
? Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) >
? Al-An'am (The Cattle) >
? Al-A'raf (The Heights) >
? At-Tauba (The Repentance)>
? Yunus>
? Yusuf (Joseph)
? Ar-Ra'd (The Thunder)
? Al-Hijr (The Rocky Tract)
? An-Nahl (The Bee)
? Al-Isra (The Journey by Night)
? Al-Kahf (The Cave)
? Maryam (Mary)
? Ta-Ha
? Al-Anbiya (The Prophets)
? Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)
? Al-Mu'minun (The Believers)
? Al-Furqan (The Criterion)
? An-Naml (The Ants)
? Al-Qasas (The Narration)
? Ar-Rum (The Romans)
? Ya-Sin (Ya-Sin)
? As-Saffat (The Rangers)
? Suad
? Az-Zumar (The Groups)
? Fussilat (Explained in Detail)
? Ash-Shura (The Consultation)
? Az-Zukhruf (The Gold Adornments)
? Ad-Dukhan (The Smoke)
? Al-Ahqaf (The Curved Sandhills)
? Muhammad
? Qaf
? Al-Qamar (The Moon)
? Ar-Rahman (The Most Beneficent)
? Al-Waqi'a (The Event)
? Al-Hashr (The Gathering)
? Al-Jinn (The Jinn)
? Al-Muzzammil (Folded in Garments)
? Al-Qiyamah (The Resurrection)
? Al-Insan (Man)
? Al-Inshiqaq (The Splitting Asunder)
? Al-Buruj (The Big Stars)151 A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear.
1587 And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an.
1854 We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude but man is, in most things, contentious.
In stead of putting concealed relpy,you should have provided evidence from the Quran that it was "The Quran" which was revealed to Muhammad PBUH which you did not .
Please provide Arabic text + its translation
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Jafar
There is NO evidence that Muhammad is an Arab or a Quraish.
There is NO evidence that Muhammad was born in Mecca.
There is NO evidence that Muhammad is an Arabic name, before the rise of Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah and his mates.
There IS evidence that Muhammad or Mahmad is a common Bani Ishmail's name, literally means Praised. Even long before Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah's time (circa 600AD).......... blah blah.......Well I think Nun has given a lesson, but still if not satisfied you are welcome.
Allen
472 shows that there was some revelation to Muhammad PBUH.Which Revelation whether it was really Quran or something else ,the Holy Quran is silent.
Oh my God! now this is extreme foolishness.
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Jaffar
The pagan Arab's cubic structure named "Kaba", still house many idols at that time.
It would be indeed strange that God instruct Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah and its people to pray towards "A supermarket of Idols" called Kaba.Salam
Jaffar your argument can be discarded in a single post, but that is not the purpose, the target is we must arrive at the truth.
Pagan Arab's
Question #1. What do you mean by Pagan?
Question #2. Who told you that God instructed Muhammad Ibnu Abdullah and his people to pray towards "A super market of Idols?" What is your source?
Question#3. Any cube is "Kaaba" in Arab? How do you came to know that it still house many idols at that time?Be careful while answering. (A friendly advice).
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Samia
Salaam Raj-ah
So it is about him and the house of his birth, not the house of Allah? Are you sure these were the intentions of the prophet?
And what about this "distance"? He was looking at the sky for heaven's sake, millions of miles away, searching for a "qibla". Why not look down to the earth?
And as jafar says, why would Muhammad "be pleased" with a supermarket of idols and a place where he had but enemies that chased him out of it? Patriotism?
Wa-Alaikum Salaam, Samia
Do not try to manipulate things as usual, your tacts won't work. You as usual are trying to put words in my mouth, the reason you are rated low amongst the Moderators by US.
Regarding what Jaffar said, let him answer my questions then you can read my detailed response to him.
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Question#3. Any cube is "Kaaba" in Arab? How do you came to know that it still house many idols at that time?
Salaam Raj-ah
According to Islamic history, wasn't the cubic room in Mecca full of idols when the prophet was in Medina? According to the same source, wasnt in Medina that these verses were revealed?
Do you think that God would ignore the fact that the cubic room was still full of idols and was still circumbulated by the pagans, and only think of what "pleases" Muhammad vis-a-vis his birth place and make him pray towards those idols, just like the pagans who were still praying to those idols at that time?
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Samia
Wa-Alaikum Salaam, SamiaDo not try to manipulate things as usual, your tacts won't work. You as usual are trying to put words in my mouth, the reason you are rated low amongst the Moderators by US.
Regarding what Jaffar said, let him answer my questions then you can read my detailed response to him.
Salaam Raj-ah
Please point at where I manipulated things (as usual) or put words in your mouth. If I misunderstood you, correct me, simple.
Wow!! Did US put me on the list of terrorists &?
Or is it US as in "Me, myself and I"?I did not answer for Jaffar. I quoted him. Do you know the difference?
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Samia
Salaam Raj-ah
According to Islamic history, wasn't the cubic room in Mecca full of idols when the prophet was in Medina? According to the same source, wasnt in Medina that these verses were revealed?
rotfl rotfl
Over smart lady;
Let Jaffar answer first.