Is God a fair judge?
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I did not mean by (God is fair) not to ask questions or be curious, but that some questions may stay unanswered because we do not have all the information. Asking, even questions that seem unanswerable, might show us that we are looking at things from the wrong angle and they are in fact answerable.
In short I am very much for asking questions peace
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Yes you made a good point about becoming a criminal..
Also it kind of points towards pre-destiny? Which is where I find some confusion. Like if god already knew what the 25 year old was going to end up as and judge him accordingly, then what was the point of his life and free will in the first place? But I will go thru chapter 18 and see if I can come up with some sense...Thanks And yes I do too think god is fair..but human nature is always curious. (
If we live in a completely material world then predestination is the rule. Just replace Person B with a computer with windows version X and Person B with a computer "scheduled" to be upgraded to version X.1.1.2 SP2 (love 2DTV).
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I offer the story of moses and pharoah as an example.
God already knew what path pharoah (and the majority of his people) were gonna choose yet he/she/it still sent Moses to them
We are all given the fair chance to be good...or not. We have to prove it both to ourselves and God; through our actions.
6160 Whoever comes with a good deed, he will receive ten times its worth, and whoever comes with a sin, he will only be recompensed its like; they will not be wronged.
That's more than fair if you ask me
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Peace
Like if god already knew what the 25 year old was going to end up as and judge him accordingly, then what was the point of his life and free will in the first place?
It is your personal proof beyond a doubt. That is why.
Chapter 18 shows that God works towards one's good regardless of the perception humans may have of it.
Joe
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As the saying goes, there's "The Truth" and there are "the alternatives..."
The Quran says that when the time comes, we will be judged and sent to heaven or hell. It doesn't say that will be immediately after we die. Could it be that reincarnation is a concept implicit in the wider philosophy?
If we compare with Buddhism, reincarnation is seen as a bad thing, a continuous cycle of suffering. The aim is to escape the cycle. Perhaps the Quran and Bible do not mention reincarnation because we aren't meant to think about it, we're meant to go to heaven, not to come back and be reincarnated. From God we come, to God we return, with God's will, if we can. Otherwise, human beings are stuck in the cycle of suffering. Unless they're really bad and fall to hell.
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Yes we all have a fair chance to choose our own way. That's fair enough for me. And everyday we are whispered with choices that we might think ridiculous, but actually it is good, what we thought is bad, might actually be good. Who knows. We may not realize it but if you listen it's there.
Later in hereafter, those who reject might ask, "Hey not fair! I haven't heard any Quran or any warnings on hereafter!" And God might say, "We gave you guidance through your heart (inspirations, ideas, insights), but you did not listen, we gave you examples through experiences from your friends and families(those who faced problems & tragedies), but you don't want to take heed, we gave you big events (i.e 9/11, war, etc) but you didn't care to reflect, we gave you religions, but you did not want to follow, we gave science so that you can learn God's creation but you didn't care to learn, we only want you to be fair to others, do good, observe the communion and contribute towards betterment, but you want to reject. Now face your hell!". Kinda like that . It's not fair to say God is not fair. I mean look around us. It's all God's blessing. We have free-choice.
Maybe reincarnation is true, check this verse
8021 Then He made him die and buried him.
8022 Then if He wishes He resurrects him.Maybe "resurrects" here means more to spiritual rather than physical. If it means spiritual, it fits with reincarnation, Cuz if the spirit is resurrected, then we will live again in a new body. But God may not want to detail it in Quran, might probably be because it's not important to know our past lives. Plus all memories are stored in the past physical brain, so we might not remember anyway. So better to focus to develop our soul, so that we can get closer to Him. I think reincarnation might be one version of hell, or maybe a chance to redeem ourself or develop our soul more to complete our journey. Once complete, you'll know when an angel came and greets you to heaven. Kinda like that.
Peace
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I know it sounds very new age, but I don't see any reason no to look at it this way What if it is not about an account with two columns and you have to come with superavit, but rather we are that tablet that is written. The story is finished at the end and it has to be justified in its hppennings, however contradictory they may be. We cannot write our tablet without understanding something of it or being affected by it. So, in fact, what it is about is transformation, getting closer to God, We get closer to God through his attributes, we get to know ourselves and rule ourselves, (knowledge and power). On the other hand ?is everything over when we die? May be something is over and something starts, or may be death in itself is some event in which we also make some instant transformation. At any rate, I trust that God is still far more merciful than fair, because by oneself with fairness, would be make it over.
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I like to think so....but here's a scenario
Person 'A' is 50 years old. All his life he has been in denial of God's commands although been aware of them. Suddenly, an experience changes him...he "discovers" God, amends his ways etc and dies a believer.
Person 'B' is 25 years old. He too is aware of, but denies, God and his commandments and is self-centred. He dies age 25 in a state of denial.
As I understand it, our deeds in this life will determine our outcome in the next life.
Now is it possible, that had person B lived few years more, he too could have come across a life-changing experience and changed his ways and possibly died a believer?
How would God would judge these two peoples deeds? Does God give us the benefit of doubt?
Just love your quistion!
A person killing 1000's of people and another may be killing one - are they both destined for the one AND SAME HELL? Same punishment?
Is it something we experiance in this life rather then the hereafter?
Salaams.
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I like to think so....but here's a scenario
Person 'A' is 50 years old. All his life he has been in denial of God's commands although been aware of them. Suddenly, an experience changes him...he "discovers" God, amends his ways etc and dies a believer.
Person 'B' is 25 years old. He too is aware of, but denies, God and his commandments and is self-centred. He dies age 25 in a state of denial.
As I understand it, our deeds in this life will determine our outcome in the next life.
Now is it possible, that had person B lived few years more, he too could have come across a life-changing experience and changed his ways and possibly died a believer?
How would God would judge these two peoples deeds? Does God give us the benefit of doubt?
Salam,
Are you judging God for judging mankind, when God knows what you do not?
Salam,
Arnab