The ?Quran Alone? Challenge
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Many like to accuse believers/submitters of not following GOD alone when they themselves are guilty of it. Don?t believe me, answer three simply questions
1.Do you uses science, history, and other external information and methodologies to understand and apply the guidance of the Quran although it is not explicitly mention in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.No2.Do you understand the definition of a word in the Quran from the Quran itself, or from the authority and regulation of an Arabic dictionary?
a.Yes
b.No3.Do you read the translation of the Quran from another person perspective and wisdom even though that translation or perceptive is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran?
a.Yes
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Many like to accuse believers/submitters of not following GOD alone when they themselves are guilty of it. Don?t believe me, answer three simply questions
1.Do you uses science, history, and other external information and methodologies to understand and apply the guidance of the Quran although it is not explicitly mention in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.No2.Do you understand the definition of a word in the Quran from the Quran itself, or from the authority and regulation of an Arabic dictionary?
a.Yes
b.No3.Do you read the translation of the Quran from another person perspective and wisdom even though that translation or perceptive is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.Norotfl rotfl rotfl
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Many like to accuse believers/submitters of not following GOD alone when they themselves are guilty of it. Don?t believe me, answer three simply questions
1.Do you uses science, history, and other external information and methodologies to understand and apply the guidance of the Quran although it is not explicitly mention in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.No2.Do you understand the definition of a word in the Quran from the Quran itself, or from the authority and regulation of an Arabic dictionary?
a.Yes
b.No3.Do you read the translation of the Quran from another person perspective and wisdom even though that translation or perceptive is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.NoWho are the ones accusing you?
Who are the submitters?
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15657.0
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No one can answer your questions;
--None of them except sister Samia know how to consult an arabic dictionary.
--None of them without any exception knows the intricacies of Arabic languagethe purpose was to prove that everyone uses external source to understand and implement the Quran guidance. this is facutal. IS that against the Quran, I dont think so. So people should NOT develop a habit of accusing others of not using the "Quran alone" unless they themselves can admit to the follow question.
Aslo Allen, base on your tone of your posting, i will encourage to participate on the survey, should I get ban.
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Peace
Please stop with the generalizations Allen.
I would answer "yes" to all of these questions except #2 since it is not a yes/no question.
Joe
I will appreciate if you tell me about a single person on this forum who knows the intricacies of the Arabic language.
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the purpose was to prove that everyone uses external source to understand and implement the Quran guidance. this is facutal. IS that against the Quran, I dont think so. So people should NOT develop a habit of accusing others of not using the "Quran alone" unless they themselves can admit to the follow question.
Aslo Allen, base on your tone of your posting, i will encourage to participate on the survey, should I get ban.
I am in favor that you should be banned.Why do you ask such difficult questions
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I am in favor that you should be banned.Why do you ask such difficult questions
?Just collect statistical information. im a man of performance management. i need to know if something is working as it should. i want to know if this forum is performing etc etc.
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Allen,
Tell us how the following is measured "knows the intricacies of the Arabic language."
Once you've done that, I have a follow up question does Al Quran say those who know Arabic best will understand Al Quran best? A simple yes or no will suffice.
Dear Wakas
you saidTell us how the following is measured "knows the intricacies of the Arabic language."
Intricacies of any language is very advanced faculty. Honestly speaking no one knows even the basics of Arabic grammar and Balagha.Consequently ,very funny type of interpretations pop up.
You said
Once you've done that, I have a follow up question does Al Quran say those who know Arabic best will understand Al Quran best? A simple yes or no will suffice
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The answer is yes
If a person claims to have the ability to perform an operation ,he is claiming to be a "surgeon" whether verbally he says so or not. -
Many like to accuse believers/submitters of not following GOD alone when they themselves are guilty of it. Don?t believe me, answer three simply questions
1.Do you uses science, history, and other external information and methodologies to understand and apply the guidance of the Quran although it is not explicitly mention in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.No2.Do you understand the definition of a word in the Quran from the Quran itself, or from the authority and regulation of an Arabic dictionary?
a.Yes
b.No3.Do you read the translation of the Quran from another person perspective and wisdom even though that translation or perceptive is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran?
a.Yes
b.NoSo you're equating having different views and agreeing to let people believe as they want as long as all quranic laws are followed with following Arab traditions as religious guidance/law and making them mandatory for everyone (aka those who do not follow are not muslims)?
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Peace Allen,
Intricacies of any language is very advanced faculty. Honestly speaking no one knows even the basics of Arabic grammar and Balagha.Consequently ,very funny type of interpretations pop up.
Can you point out some of those "intricacies" that you have put out on this forum? As far as I can tell, nothing that you have put out goes beyond what information an average Arab student is fed at elementary and middle school, hardly "advanced faculty" by any measure.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Allen,
Can you point out some of those "intricacies" that you have put out on this forum? As far as I can tell, nothing that you have put out goes beyond what information an average Arab student is fed at elementary and middle school, hardly "advanced faculty" by any measure.
Peace,
Ayman
You still have to prove where do the words "Rumdan and Ramdan " are found in the classical Arabic.Without proving you ran away.
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Peace Allen,
You still have to prove where do the words "Rumdan and Ramdan " are found in the classical Arabic.Without proving you ran away.
Not to speak of 2nd declension .I gave you the clear answer here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg149838#msg149838
and here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg149793#msg149793
It is not my problem that you are unable to read. You really need to learn to read properly first before you make empty boasts about "advance faculties".
Perhaps next you will claim that the weights Fa3LAN, like GhaDBAN/angry and Fu3LAN, like SuLTAN/intense authority cannot be found in Classical Arabic.
Instead of empty boasting, can you point out some of those "intricacies" requiring "advanced faculties" that you have put out on this forum that go beyond what an Arab kid was fed in elementary or middle school? Why am I not surprised that you evaded answering?
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Allen,
I gave you the clear answer here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg149838#msg149838
and here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg149793#msg149793
It is not my problem that you are unable to read. You really need to learn to read properly first before you make empty boasts about "advance faculties".
Perhaps next you will claim that the weights Fa3LAN, like GhaDBAN/angry and Fu3LAN, like SuLTAN/intense authority cannot be found in Classical Arabic.
Instead of empty boasting, can you point out some of those "intricacies" requiring "advanced faculties" that you have put out on this forum that go beyond what an Arab kid was fed in elementary or middle school? Why am I not surprised that you evaded answering?
Peace,
Ayman
You did very well that provided the thread.you never provided the proof of these two words claimed to be "Rumdan /Ramdan" by you.
Anyone who reads these thread will never find any proof from you.I am still waiting for proof that these words exist in classical literature.
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Allen,
You did not state how it was measured, other than saying you have not seen it. I am looking for objective assessment, not subjective.
Also, you did not cite any reference from Al Quran for your claim that it states those who know Arabic best will understand it best. Please cite a reference, if you cannot, then please admit so, if you are sincere.
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Peace Allen,
You did very well that provided the thread.you never provided the proof of these two words claimed to be "Rumdan /Ramdan" by you.
Anyone who reads these thread will never find any proof from you.I am still waiting for proof that these words exist in classical literature.
These are the tactics which I see in so many threads.It is a fact that absent vocalization marks, then possible vocalizations of words with the weight could be Fa3aLAN/RaMaDAN, Fa3LAN/RaMDAN, and Fu3LAN/RuMDAN.
Let me get this straight. You are denying that those different renditions of the weight exist in the Arabic language!!! And then you boast to have an "advanced faculty" in Arabic?!!
It is not surprising to everyone here that you keep evading giving examples of what you consider "intricacies" requiring "advanced faculties" that you have put out on this forum. You know very well that nothing you said here goes beyond what an Arab kid was fed in elementary or middle school. Given your demonstrated inability to properly read and provide any answers, then to you middle school level may indeed seem like an "advanced faculty" but your "advanced" arrogant boasting has nothing to do with reality. In fact, linguistic researchers with PhDs are often humbled by how much we don't know and that remains to be studied about Old Arabic (otherwise their research would be pointless).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Allen,
It is a fact that absent vocalization marks, then possible vocalizations of words with the weight could be Fa3aLAN/RaMaDAN, Fa3LAN/RaMDAN, and Fu3LAN/RuMDAN.
Let me get this straight. You are denying that those different renditions of the weight exist in the Arabic language!!! And then you boast to have an "advanced faculty" in Arabic?!!
Ayman
This is not a proof/evidence.This is you self concocted.
Provide the evidence/proof from classical arabic sources like ;
-Classical arabic dictionaries- classical arabic literature.
This is a common modus operandi of Quran aloner to dodge the people by 'self concocted ,fabricated ,preconceived ideas".
Still waiting for evidence of these two words (Rumdan/Ramdan) from either
-Classical arabic dictionaries or
-Classical arabic literature
I hope you will not run away
NOTE One correction for you these standard words are called in English as "scales/measures' not "weights".
- classical arabic literature.
