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Muslim women are permitted to sing in public according to the Qur'an

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    sahaba
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    This article has two sections. Section A discusses why Verse 3332 of the Glorious Qur?an passes no prohibition on Muslim women singing. Section B discusses who are those with a disease in their hearts.

    Section A ? Muslim Women are permitted to sing in public.

    Muslim women have traditionally been suppressed from singing publicly using unfounded excuses, allegedly based on the Qur'an.

    These people who seek to silence women base what they say by twisting a Qur'anic Verse, which will be explained correctly here, inshallah.

    The Qur'anic Verse which is often quoted and misunderstood is 3332. People hide the fact that this Verse is EXCLUSIVELY for the wives of the Prophet

    "Oh wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner."

    People, or men rather, intentionally misinterpret this Verse to mean all women in a quest to keep women under the blanket of darkness so that they may live life in their own terms, in a "fithnah-less" society, "fithnah" meaning any hint of women.

    Notice that the Verse makes clear that

    1. the Verse is addressed ONLY to the wives of the Prophet "Oh Wives of the prophet..."

    2. and also the wives of the Prophet are NOT like any other women, ie. any other women can NEVER be like the wives of the Prophet "You are not like any other women...".

    This means the Verse does not extend to anybody else by the slightest of imagination.
    Therefore, the Verse is applicable ONLY to the wives of the Prophet and does not extend to other believers. In the Qur'an, the wives of the Prophet occupy an exclusive status and they can never be compared with other believing women. This is shown by other Verses which speak exclusively to them

    1. They are like the "mothers of the believers", but ordinary believing women are not like "mothers of the believers" (336), this title gives them a unique status.

    2. Believing men shall speak to the wives of the Prophet from behind a curtain, but this is not required when speaking to ordinary believing women (3353).

    3. Ordinary believing men are not allowed to EVER marry the wives of the Prophet (3353), such is their special status.

    4. If any of the Prophet's wives were to commit an act of indecency, the punishment for them is double to that for ordinary believing women (3330).

    The above clearly tells us of the unique status of the wives of the Prophet. Likewise, the Verse 3332 is referring to ONLY the wives of the Prophet, and this is made VERY clear in the Verse it self. It cannot be used to mean all women. Let us read it once more

    "O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner."

    When the Qur'an wishes to address ordinary believing women, it addresses them as "believing women" eg. "And tell the believing women..." (2431). Or in the following Verse, the women to be addressed have been clearly identified "O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers..." (3359). In short, Allah carefully makes it clear to whom He is addressing what, and we must not muddle them up to suite personal wishes. When He wishes to address the wives of the Prophet, He does so clearly, when He wishes to address ordinary believing women, He does this clearly too.

    It should be abundantly clear that Verse 3332 cannot be used to stop Muslim women from singing or reciting the Qur'an in public.

    Section B ? Who are those with disease in their hearts?

    "Oh wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest lest one in whose heart is a disease (fee qalbihi maradun) will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner."

    Those who have studied the Qur'an sufficiently will notice an important point that deserves mentioning and clarifying.

    In the above Verse it can be noted that it says "one in whose heart is a disease", and we will discuss this expression at some length here.

    As commonly misinterpreted, many suppose that this "disease" mentioned in this Verse of the Qur'an, is a disease which all men can carry. It is assumed to be some sort of a filthy disease where men feel aroused by the voice of a woman.

    However, we will see shortly that the "disease" refered to in this Verse of the Qur'an, is far from the disease commonly supposed by those who lack the knowledge of the Scripture.

    For its true intepretation, we must look at all the other Verses which mention the same expression 'those with a disease in their hearts'. When we analyse the Qur'an attentively, we find that this expression has been repeatedly used through out the Qur'an.

    When we look closely, we find that this term 'those with a disease in their hearts' has been consistantly used in the Qur'an to refer to a single group of people. This group of people, are the hypocrite disbelievers during the Prophet's time.

    Let's look at Verse 1

    "There are some people who Say 'We believe in God and in the Last Day,' but they are not believers. They seek to deceive God and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves without noticing. There is a disease in their hearts, (fee quluubihim maradhun) and God increases their disease, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied."

    In the above Verse the expression has been used explicitly to refer to hypocrite disbelievers who are trying to fool the believers and to gain victory over them. So we learn very clearly it is the hypocrites who have a disease in their hearts.

    Verse 2

    "The hypocrites, those who have a disease in their hearts (fee quluubihim maradhun said "These people have been deceived by their religion." But whoever puts his trust in God, then God is Noble, Wise."

    It is explicitly mentioned in the above Verse again, that it is the hypocrite disblievers are who have 'a disease in their hearts'.

    Verse 3

    "O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as allies, for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from amongst you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people. You will see those who have a disease in their hearts (fee quluubihim maradhun) hurrying to them, saying "We fear that a disaster will befall us!" Perhaps God will bring a victory or a decree from Himself, then they will become regretful over what they had kept hidden within themselves."

    In the above Verse, Allah is expecting us to to interpret "those who have a disease in their hearts" from what He has explicitly told us in Verse 1 and Verse 2 that we have discussed. So this Verse is saying how the hypocrite disbelievers are the ones who are befriending with the Jews and Christian when it says "You will see those who have a disease in their hearts (fee quluubihim maradh) hurrying to them..."

    Do you think 'those who have a disease in the hearts' hurrying to Jews and Christians refered to in this Verse, is refering to 'men who get aroused by women's voice'?

    Ofcourse not. Although Allah does not explicitly state who these people carrying a disease in their hearts are, He expects us to use our reason and logic to intepret this correctly using other Verses (such as Verse 1 and Verse 2 as discussed).

    Verse 4

    "And when a chapter is revealed, some of them Say "Who has been strengthened in faith by this?" For those who believe, it increased their faith, and they rejoice. As for those who have a disease in their hearts (fee quluubihim maradhun), it only increased foulness to their foulness, and they died as rejecters.

    In the above Verse, Allah states that those who believe are strengthened by the Qur'an's revelations. But, 'those who have a disease in their hearts' ie. the hypocrite disbelievers, are increased in their foulness etc. Do you think 'those who have a disease in the hearts' refered to in this Verse, refer to 'men who get aroused with women's voice'?

    Ofcourse not. Allah does not explicitly state it who they are but we are expected to use our intellect to work it out. We used our reason and logic and other Verses such as Verse 1 and Verse 2, which these people are.

    We see that the term has been used consitantly through out the Qur'an to refer to hypocrite disbelievers. And that there are even Verses where we are expected to make this intepretation ourselves.

    Now that we have found the correct meaning of this term, we can hope to understand the Verse we started of with

    "Oh wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their (fee qalbihi maradun) hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honourable manner."

    In the exact same way the expression 'those with a disease in their hearts' has been used here. It is the hypocrite disbelievers refered to in this Verse by the term 'those with a disease in their hearts'. The most important and vulnerable household during the time of the Prophet, is the Prophet's home where people visited. This unfortunatrly included disbievers acting as true Muslims who come into the Prophet's house seeking only to make trouble, and are their to take advantage of the Prophet's wives.

    This Verse warns the Prophet's wives to be aware of these hypocrite disbelievers. The 'disease' is the hypocrite disbeliever's disease of disbelief leading to hypocrisy in an attempt to deceive the sincere believers.

    Now, the common notion that this Verse refers to some type of 'filthy' disease that ALL MEN can carry where they get aroused by the sound of women's voice is dispelled now that we have studies the Qur'an more detail.

    This is an important understanding that can only be derived by studying all the Verses of the Qur'an and pondering over them, as is due, and is very important. A lack of understanding of this Verse has lead to Muslim men and women not integrating well at all. They have been told that men can get aroused, just by the sound of a woman's voice, so they distance as much as possible from one another. They also do not bother to research the Qur'an themselves because they have left it to people who tell them what's in it, thus the perpetual spell of ignorance continues.

    "See how We explain the Verses by various ways; that they may understand."

    "It is such that We clarify the Revelations to a people who think."

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      You have repeated used the word 'disease in the heart".
      Modern science says that diseases in the heart are of different types;
      Like
      Ischemic
      cardiomyopathies
      valvular heart diseases
      hypertensive heart diseases
      Which disease you are talking about ?

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        Back again Leoxyz? sigh

        Good article, simple as that.

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          SwedenMajidah
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          Peace,

          Yes, a good article indeed.

          Then the salafi muslimahs strive for nothing hehe, they want to be like the wives of the prophet but according that verse no one can be like them so why make the life so hard then?

          Maria

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            Peace,

            While I think that a lot of your article makes sense, shouldnt women also take notice to the fact of men with "disease in their hearts" and do what they can not to conjure it up? I dont see why women shouldnt try and emulate the wives of the prophets just because it was directed at the wives. Its like saying we shouldnt try and live like the prophets because they were unique.

            Peace

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              shouldnt women also take notice to the fact of men with "disease in their hearts" and do what they can not to conjure it up?

              Peace,

              Maybe men shouldn't be going to such places?

              Men should lower their gaze (2430). It shows equal responsibility. Why should women be held responsible for the men with evil in their hearts? Aren't we all held accountable for our own doings?

              Its like saying we shouldnt try and live like the prophets because they were unique.

              How do you live like the prophets? Which prophet(s)? And Why?

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                Peace,

                While I think that a lot of your article makes sense, shouldnt women also take notice to the fact of men with "disease in their hearts" and do what they can not to conjure it up? I dont see why women shouldnt try and emulate the wives of the prophets just because it was directed at the wives. Its like saying we shouldnt try and live like the prophets because they were unique.

                Peace

                Let's go the full way and write our books like the Quran, because even though that states we shall never be like the prophets, or the wives of the prophets, and we shall never be able to produce a book like it, we should still try...

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                  sahaba
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                  Peace,

                  While I think that a lot of your article makes sense, shouldnt women also take notice to the fact of men with "disease in their hearts" and do what they can not to conjure it up? I dont see why women shouldnt try and emulate the wives of the prophets just because it was directed at the wives. Its like saying we shouldnt try and live like the prophets because they were unique.

                  Peace

                  I dont agree with your understanding. We follow the God-consciousness of the Prophet's and all righteous people mentioned in the Qur'an. However we DON'T follow specific commandments for who they were ie. Prophets or wives of the Prophet.

                  Emulating specific commandments to the wives of the Prophet's therefore mean nothing. If you mean their God-consciousness, then yes. But specific criterias explicitly stated to be only for them are only for them.

                  I will elaborate on some points I made earlier

                  1. If any of the Prophet's wives were to commit an act of indecency, the punishment for them is double to that for ordinary believing women (3330).

                  What did the Prophet's wive ever do wrong to deserve double punishment? Why do ordinary believing women get halve the punishment than they do? That is because the wives of the Prophet's are bound by a set of criteria DIFFERENT to ordinary believing women, and ordinary believing women do not have to abide by those criterias.

                  1. Ordinary believing men are not allowed to EVER marry the wives of the Prophet (3353).

                  Why are the Prophet's wives so special that no one can ever marry them after the Prophet? Whereas they can marry ordinary believing women after their previous husband? That is because the wives of the Prophet are DIFFERENT in the sense that they are bound by criteria DIFFERENT to the ordinary believing women.

                  1. "O wives of the prophet, you are not like any other women." This Verse even explicitly states this. Proving what I have said so far Indicating the ordinary believing are not required to be like them.

                  Again, emulating specific commandments to the wives of the Prophet's therefore mean nothing as you (as you ordinary believing women) are not expected to abide by them and hence not held accountable for.

                  Thanks for reading.

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                    huruf
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                    Dear brothers and sisters,

                    Really to go into any aya of the Quran is a treasure trove. As to 33.32, thanks for bringing it up. Reading it carefully, I don't see that even the mothers of the believers were forbidden to sing in public, but I will leave that aside.

                    Adding to what Ace of Hearts has so well stated, I have looked into the aya and, when the translator says "speaking softly", the impression I get is that he is talking about the women's voice, however the Quran says "takhda3na bil-qawl". But "qawl" to me doesn't carry the meaning of voice, but means "the words that are said", and t-kh-dh- is about humility, deference, compliance. Then, what has been translated as "desire" (yathma3a), very misleadingly I would say, is not that, at any rate nor any sensual desire, but rather ambition and covetousness, which obviously are also desire, but quite of a different kind of what we are led to believe by the general formulation and usage of the translation. It seems reasonably to think that a correct speech by the mothers of the believer could be used by scheeming men to extract mileage form a merely polite behaviour. So, in fact, as I see it, what it recommends is a careful speech that precludes anu dubious interpretation from alegal point of view. And in this sense, yes, no softness whatsoever. Summing up, nothing to do with lust, and all to do with diseased minds who try to obtain advantage from any "weak" point (in their minds) such as the women of the man of power and virtue, who are bound to be as least polite, and therefore could hardly chase them away with a bucket of cold water. Diplomacy?

                    Salaam

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                      The increasing number of women who dress as men, who take on the role of breadwinners, who keep the same jobs as men and who sing in public
                      are all signs that the emergence of the Awaited One is upon us. hail

                      May Allah hasten his reapperance, so he may behead all of you Koran-Only infidels.. >

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                        Salaam Huruf

                        Thanks for the indepth explanation of these two badly translated expressions YakhDa3na bilqawli and ya6ma3u. I fully agree with your explanation.

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                          The increasing number of women who dress as men, who take on the role of breadwinners, who keep the same jobs as men and who sing in public
                          are all signs that the emergence of the Awaited One is upon us. hail

                          May Allah hasten his reapperance, so he may behead all of you Koran-Only infidels.. >D

                          Thanks, sweetie, for those cheerful thoughts. You better be sure you know as much as you think you do, because Allah knows best.

                          Other than, that, you cheerful one, what has dress fashion to do with this thread? But never mind, I wish anyway happy breadwinning, if in fact you do that, and you don't just leave to your womenfolk the burden of supporting you, which is somehting that many of those awaiting happy beheadings precisely are fond of doing.

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                            An excellent explanation of the meanings of the discussed verses. But from this correct meanings and explanation how one can infer that ordinary woman of the society could sing in public? And let not "singing" and reciting Quran be made synonymous.

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                              But from this correct meanings and explanation how one can infer that ordinary woman of the society could sing in public?

                              Could it be the same way we could infer (from nowhere) that ordinary men of the society could sing in public confused

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                                The word "public" refers to a mix gathering of men and women. And I am taking "singing" in the ordinary manner we take it for singers, all sort. If singing is permissible in public gathering what will be the point in not focussing eyes on women/men? Would people listen the lady singer by keeping eyes on the floor.

                                Focussing the vision gives the strongest "....signal", then comes the voice and then comes the "....odor". Public exposure needs to be avoided.

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                                  Peace all,

                                  Brother Mazhar raises a very logical point

                                  If singing is permissible in public gathering what will be the point in not focussing eyes on women/men? Would people listen the lady singer by keeping eyes on the floor.

                                  Normal/regular voice of a man/woman used in day to day conversation is different from the voice used by the same man/woman while singing. This "singing" voice is thus not readily apparent. Also, it is a known fact that the "normal" voice is not sexually provocative as opposed to the sensual voice that the same man/woman can emit. This "sensual" voice is not readily apparent.

                                  Could it be that this "sensual" or "singing" voice is part of a woman's "zeenat"/beauty/adornment ? If that is so, then per 2431, women are not allowed to reveal their "zeenat" except what is apparent. Hence they will be allowed to reveal their "normal/regular" voice for ordinary conversation purposes, but not allowed to reveal their "sensual" or "singing" voice as it is not apparent. Likewise, lowering the gaze would also include not continuing to listen to "sensual" or "singing" voices.

                                  Just throwing this out to see what others think about this. It just came to mind and I have not yet formed any solid stance about this.

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                                    huruf
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                                    I think the Quran has not spared detail in 24.31 and it doesn't hint that something has been left out. Apart from the aya for the mothers of the believers there is nothing to warrant such interpretation, which itself rest in a certain perception that is, I think, very individual. Myself I would say that singing is not at all an intimate thing, less anyway so that normal speech, unless you to make it look like that on purpose. People sing everywhere just like that, because they are happy, because they enjoy it, because they love it. It is like breathing. Can't really fathom how that can become a "hidden" zeenat. If one can imagine that, there is no stopping, and everything can be "hidden" zina.

                                    On the other hand we are told on the Quran that God is not very fond of imposing burdens, can't remember exact formulation or aya, but I think it comes up saveral times.

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                                      Peace all,

                                      Brother Mazhar raises a very logical point

                                      Normal/regular voice of a man/woman used in day to day conversation is different from the voice used by the same man/woman while singing. This "singing" voice is thus not readily apparent. Also, it is a known fact that the "normal" voice is not sexually provocative as opposed to the sensual voice that the same man/woman can emit. This "sensual" voice is not readily apparent.

                                      Could it be that this "sensual" or "singing" voice is part of a woman's "zeenat"/beauty/adornment ? If that is so, then per 2431, women are not allowed to reveal their "zeenat" except what is apparent. Hence they will be allowed to reveal their "normal/regular" voice for ordinary conversation purposes, but not allowed to reveal their "sensual" or "singing" voice as it is not apparent. Likewise, lowering the gaze would also include not continuing to listen to "sensual" or "singing" voices.

                                      Just throwing this out to see what others think about this. It just came to mind and I have not yet formed any solid stance about this.

                                      I have to highly disagree. Unless it is in the quran as a clear command, anything within reason goes. I agree with Huruf. 2185, I believe you want.

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        I have to highly disagree. Unless it is in the quran as a clear command, anything within reason goes. I agree with Huruf. 2185, I believe you want.{OPF}

                                        Brother OPF,

                                        If this is the logic then tomorrow someone could say there is no proibition in performing Zina since Quran has said do not go near Zina. The word "perform Zina" has not been used. When people are advised to lessen their gaze, i.e. avoid focussing the vision the cause is apparent and well understood because visual signal is known as the strogest signal that exictes certain cells of the body even there not being a will/deliberate desire {except those who are gone very cool}. Then women are advised to take care while walking so that their bosoms do not become reflective since it may exicte the cells of onlookers without their own desire/deliberate will. Satan was permitted to thrill people with voice; singing voice excites the cells to make them dance.

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                                          huruf
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                                          Brother OPF,
                                          Satan was permitted to thrill people with voice; singing voice excites the cells to make them dance.

                                          Again this reflects a very personal point of view and not a general perception or indication that the Quran in fact "means" that, which again would be an interpretation and a lot of stretching. But, if that were the case, I take it that singing male voices do also excite. Cannot see how they are less exciting than women voices. In fact looking at the tremendous inroads that male homosexuality is making nowadays I am sure that forbidding male public singing would be more pressing than any other musical curtailing. And according to the reasons that you give to stretch meanings, also grounded in the Quran. Modesty in men is not a choice but a
                                          command.

                                          Also what you say about going near zina, please state aya. It is clear that el zani y al ziniya are punished, that is not going near zina that is zina itself. So the comaprison you make is not valid. Again if you say the aleya number we may study it and get some uselful counsel. What is not in doubt is that zina, and not getting near it, is forbidden explicitly in the Quran.

                                          Salaam

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