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Reform Religion? or Revive the truth?

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    MUNZIR_ALI
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    Faith in God is the only important thing, all the rest is just window dressing.

    bravo bravo u are right!
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    peace

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      Rev_John
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      bravo bravo u are right!
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      I believe that, it Jesus or Muhammad came back now and saw the Christian and Muslim religions as practiced by the traditionalists, they would be amazed at how far away from their original messages these religions are. I am sure they bear no resemblance at all to what the prophets wanted or were teaching.

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        MUNZIR_ALI
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        I believe that, it Jesus or Muhammad came back now and saw the Christian and Muslim religions as practiced by the traditionalists, they would be amazed at how far away from their original messages these religions are. I am sure they bear no resemblance at all to what the prophets wanted or were teaching.

        Muhammed and jesus would be furious of the people who follow traditional ways of religion! hmm

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          Rev_John
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          Muhammed and jesus would be furious of the people who follow traditional ways of religion! hmm

          I agree bravo

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            Jafar
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            Muhammed and jesus would be furious of the people who follow traditional ways of religion! hmm

            And people will be furious with them as well!
            For telling them as such..

            Jesus will be re-crucified and Muhammad will be stoned to death for being an INFIDEL!

            Religions are man-made.. therefore i'm against 'reforming the religion by creating a new religion'.
            Just revive the truth, by telling them what the truth is... and let them decide by themselves..

            Salam / Peace

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              Bigmo
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              And people will be furious with them as well!
              For telling them as such..

              Jesus will be re-crucified and Muhammad will be stoned to death for being an INFIDEL!

              Religions are man-made.. therefore i'm against 'reforming the religion by creating a new religion'.
              Just revive the truth, by telling them what the truth is... and let them decide by themselves..

              Salam / Peace

              Very good point. Reform sounds wrong. Revival is goo, especially the Quran revival movement.

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                Rev_John
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                And people will be furious with them as well!
                For telling them as such..

                Jesus will be re-crucified and Muhammad will be stoned to death for being an INFIDEL!

                Religions are man-made.. therefore i'm against 'reforming the religion by creating a new religion'.
                Just revive the truth, by telling them what the truth is... and let them decide by themselves..

                Salam / Peace

                But wouldn't that be forming a new religion?

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                  Jafar
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                  But wouldn't that be forming a new religion?

                  Nope it isn't..

                  Since it doesn't involves the followings

                  1. Enforcing a set of dogma to believed by other people without questioning.
                  2. Enforcing a set of rituals to be followed by other people.
                  3. Labeling those who reject as INFIDEL / APOSTATE thus deserves punishment / death.
                  4. Proudly announce self as the ONE TRUTH and judging other people who doesn't share the same view will certainly doomed to Hell.
                  5. Playing the role as the 'ultimate broker' to God.

                  Instead we should do

                  1. Mingle with the society, even if the society doesn't share the same view as yours.
                  2. Actively discuss with open-mindedness about 'the truth' and respect the right of others of their own belief / opinion. Be open to critics by other people..
                  3. Continuously seek and revise what we know as 'the truth' and ask for God's guidance to find the truth.
                  4. Inviting others to be closer to God by themselves with their own means...
                  5. Be humble and help others in need regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

                  Salam / Peace

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                    Rev_John
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                    Nope it isn't..

                    Since it doesn't involves the followings

                    1. Enforcing a set of dogma to believed by other people without questioning.
                    2. Enforcing a set of rituals to be followed by other people.
                    3. Labeling those who reject as INFIDEL / APOSTATE thus deserves punishment / death.
                    4. Proudly announce self as the ONE TRUTH and judging other people who doesn't share the same view will certainly doomed to Hell.
                    5. Playing the role as the 'ultimate broker' to God.

                    Instead we should do

                    1. Mingle with the society, even if the society doesn't share the same view as yours.
                    2. Actively discuss with open-mindedness about 'the truth' and respect the right of others of their own belief / opinion. Be open to critics by other people..
                    3. Continuously seek and revise what we know as 'the truth' and ask for God's guidance to find the truth.
                    4. Inviting others to be closer to God by themselves with their own means...
                    5. Be humble and help others in need regardless of their beliefs and opinions.

                    Salam / Peace

                    There have been many people that have attempted this but ended up (generally after their death) forming a new religion, that is why there are so many denominations, sects, etc

                    Don't misunderstand me, I wish we could do as you suggest, and I would love to be a part of any attempt, but looking back on history, it doesn't look hopeful.

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                      Omeiza
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                      Rev.John! The problem is AWARENESS can not be inherited so whatever you did becomes a tradition until a new revival.

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