"Sam Harris", an atheist, sides with me on the views regarding "islam"
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http//youtube.com/watch?v=DjfCWy6dmco
Peace,
This is for those who claim that i keep citing from fox news and other conservative media. Here you have it from an extreme liberal atheist who is extremely rational as well IMO. GOD Bless!Are you really that naive? This dickhead is against you. If he was anymore biased against muslims his head would explode.
I don't recognise you anymore.
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Peace,
Harris "...we don't know how many are extremists, but I'm sure it's more than 1% (14million)"
Tucker "...if the jihadists ever took power in this country, the first people who would be rounded up and executed, probably slowly, would be liberals, seculars..."Neither the interviewer nor the author could be considered "rational" with these types of vague speculations and ridiculous fear-mongering.
Sounds like more of the same from talking heads.Peace,
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Peace all,
Well perhaps you guys would reconsider if i told you that my youngest uncle, who seemed to be the most moderate, JUST GAVE ME A DEAD THREAT FOUR DAYS AGO, HERE IN GERMANY, WHEN I WENT TO VISIT HIM AND MY COUSIN JUST BECAUSE I ANSWERED HIS QS SAYING THAT I DONT MENTION MUHAMMAS NAME IN MY SALAT. So there you go. GOD Bless! -
Peace "tay",
Peace,
Neither the interviewer nor the author could be considered "rational" with these types of vague speculations and ridiculous fear-mongering.
Sounds like more of the same from talking heads.Peace,
TayJK- Well guess what bro? During the past two weeks i was absent i had a discussion first with my oldest uncle and he did get into the stuff talking about the "fake secular muslims" and how they always side with the west, later on calling me a kaafir and cursing me infront of the whole family. The next day my youngest uncle gave me a death threat saying that IF I HADNT BEEN THE SN OF HIS BROTHER HED KILL ME RIGHT NOW AND THAT I SHOULD NOT EVEN THINK FOR A SECOND THAT ID BE PROTECTED IN ANOTHER CITY AS HED SEND FOR MY COUSIN; WHOS A 17 YEAR OLD; STILL CONSIDERED MINOR BY LAW; TO FIND AND KILL ME ANYWHERE. I have no more respect for these f**cking pieces of sh*t. > > > GOD Bless!
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. I have no more respect for these f**cking pieces of sh*t. > > > GOD Bless!
Salaam dear
Really shocked to know all this story.Please remain composed.Let them go their own way.You are not going to be held responsible for them.Do not try to convert them.Seek the righteous way by reading Quran.Not picky reading rather thorough reading.Because "a little knowledge is always dangerous"
May Allah show us right Path.
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Peace "Ponder-Islam",
Salaam dear
Really shocked to know all this story.Please remain composed.Let them go their own way.You are not going to be held responsible for them.Do not try to convert them.Seek the righteous way by reading Quran.Not picky reading rather thorough reading.Because "a little knowledge is always dangerous"
May Allah show us right Path.
Regards.JK- Listen im not going to be responsible for their beliefs abt GOD, angels etc BUT here it is about them being a potential threat to humanity AND IM RESPONSIBLE SHOULD THEY KILL ANYONE ELSE BOTH LEGALLY AND CONSCIOUSLY. Because now i know the threat so i must consider going to the police to observe them secretly and if they at any time try to carry out any such terror activity, SHOOT THEM ON SIGHT. GOD Bless!
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Peace Johnny,
Sorry about your situation, bro.
A death threat is certainly serious business. I'd recommend striving to remain peaceful in the face of this adversity as well as refraining from religious debates with people who just don't see things the way you do. Your uncle has shown his arrogance in his example, you should show your humility in your own example. "Be the change you want to see in the world".Peace,
Tay -
Peace "tay",
Peace Johnny,
Sorry about your situation, bro.
A death threat is certainly serious business. I'd recommend striving to remain peaceful in the face of this adversity as well as refraining from religious debates with people who just don't see things the way you do. Your uncle has shown his arrogance in his example, you should show your humility in your own example. "Be the change you want to see in the world".Peace,
TayJK- Well bro i think what your suggesting is against the Quran, the legal system in the west as well as my own conscious. The Quran says "Fight those who FIGHT YOU and dont be cowards in that case, cut off their hands and feet on alternate sides or crucify them or expel them from the land, but do not aggress(which obviously i wont be doing)". If i dont at least report the case to the police or anti terror department this means im covering up a crime namely death threat which could pose, if not to myself, a potential risk to other people and i could never forgive myself should my uncle kill or get killed someone else especially if he/she is a Quran Alone bro/sis. GOD Bless!
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I don't know about other people. May be they don't dare such a thing against other people and they dare against you because since you are family they think you are fair game. But yes, do dennounce this threat to the police. That is what police and repressive institutions are for in principle. I suppose you have no witnesses, or no willing witness, but still do giver their particulars if there are, that is, explain everything as it was, who were present, so there is a record. It should be a warning to them and also a insurance for you, particularly in the sense that cocky people talk a lot and threatening is free, but doing is something else, and in the while you are dead afraid and they feel powerful. It is your fear what gives them their success. The threat about his minor son, of course, shows how twisted person he is, as ef nothing was going to happen to his son being a minor, but something will happen to him, even if it is not as much as what would happen to a grown up, so that is just so you whit in your pants. If he cares a damn about his son, he surely won't do that, and if his son cares about himself he won't do it either. What the police will do I do not know. I suppose it will depend on the agents who get to handle it. But at least they should let those people known they are known to the police and there is a record.
This kind of people feed their anger and frustration and get their feeling of power on the fear they instil. While they keep you with fear they don't risk anything. Were they to risk anything they wouldn't be so boastful. So do go to the police, and do not have any contact with them whatsoever after that. It is not that they are wrong in their beliefs, that is beside the point and their own business, it is that they are wrong in some fundamentals of social behaviour.
I know getting a death threat trown on your face is something that hurts deeply. Still, do not let them have the power of fear over you. They do not deserve it. threateners usually do not carry out. The threat is their power. Do not let that rule your life or spoil it.
Salaam
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Peace "huruf",
Thanks for the advise but there are some things i need to clarify. If i wasnt family they wouldnt have threatened/warned me, yes, BUT KILLED ME ON THE SPOT PERHAPS WITHOUT ANY WARNING(see Theo van Gogh's case). It's because im family that they are unable to kill me, at least by themselves. Also the cousin of mine i was talking about is not my youngest uncle's son but my eldest uncle's one. He is the nephew of the uncle who threatened me. Anyways thanks and im thinking of how to write to the police. GOD Bless! -
Don't tell me you are the only kafir or whatever they call you that they know. I don't believe a word of that, but you certainly you seem to believe. On that they play. How many have they killed already? They have brainwashed you into terror. Don't have anything to do with them to protecto you from their terror games. Because they really have gotten at your mind. They must be really enjoying it. Get loose from them. And anyway go to the police and tell them what your family is doing to you. As to which son is who, never mind, for the purposes it is still about the same. They should know that minor or not, it has consequences. And go to the police inperson. If you want to take something written ok. Well I don't know how it goes in Germany. In Spain you have to go personally to put in a complaint. I suppose you do not have anymaterial evidence of anything, like some registered message or anything. If you do have, take it. Also, I think it is better if you go in person and can talk with some knowledgeable or experienced agent who may hear you and tell you what the real situation is. If there is any real problem there they will know. They will know also if there is something already against you family. Policemen usually when they take complaints tell you what they can do, what usually happens, and so on. And DO NOT BE AFRAID. Even clad in religion a bully is a bully and nothing but a bully. Trust God and do what you can, but for God sake, do not be afraid.
Salaam
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Peace "huruf",
Don't tell me you are the only kafir or whatever they call you that they know. I don't believe a word of that, but you certainly you seem to believe. On that they play. How many have they killed already? They have brainwashed you into terror.
JK- Personally i dont know how many theyve killed but ive seen my uncle once pick up a knife wanting to attack a man just because her daughter told him that the other man's son supposedly spat on her. Other incidences include him punching a man violently in the face becuase he said something to his wife. Violence is common amongst these people. In Iran and Iraq people see this every day. I dont know where uve been living. As to how many he has killed, i dont know and he most probably wouldnt tell me since it would be stupid to do so.
Don't have anything to do with them to protecto you from their terror games. Because they really have gotten at your mind. They must be really enjoying it. Get loose from them. And anyway go to the police and tell them what your family is doing to you. As to which son is who, never mind, for the purposes it is still about the same. They should know that minor or not, it has consequences.
Salaam
JK- I think telling the police maybe the right thing to do but im thinking of rather writing to a specialized anti terror organization. If you know of any, be it in the states, please let me know. GOD Bless!
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Peace Jonny,
I guess you should do what you feel is the right thing. You possess the knowledge of how serious this is, of who would retaliate or not, and of who would support you or not. But don't think for a minute that remaining peaceful and walking away from a fruitless situation is by any means cowardly. It is much easier to give in to one's pride and find excuses for retribution then it is to forgive someone and remain strong in humilty and faith.
Peace,
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Peace "tay",
You dont get it do you? ITS NOT ABOUT ME FORGIVING ANYONE. IT'S ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO OTHERS IF I SAID NOTHING. For example say in court a best friend of mine is accused of murder. I know hes committed it and yet i lie to the judge to defend him. This is a crime both legally as well as consciously. Even if someone threatened to kill you there is a legal punishment DESPITE YOUR FORGIVING HIM/HER. Thats because of the POTENTIAL threat the person poses to other individuals. And in my case he didnt even threaten me directly but said that "IF YOU WERE NOT THE SON OF MY FATHER id kill you right away". What does this tell you? It clearly indicates that other like minded people like me from other families are in real danger NOT ME. DO YOU GET IT NOW? GOD Bless! -
Tell everything to the police. I wouldn't trust myself to contact any (Anti) terror organization. We don't know exactly what they do. Don't get into that. And besides, what you are telling me of your family doings may be terror, but it is not terrorism, it is threats to persons known to them and agression. If you go to a terror (you mean terrorism) agency you would be playing the inquisition game and those who are not prepared for that shouldn't even get near it. Go to the police. Tell them everything you know. Everything. If there is merit to it they will be the best to know what to do and whom to contact. Please do that, and not some fantastic thing. And I am talking exclusively about your wellbeing. At other times I may be concerned about other things. Right now I am just concerned about you and keeping you safe. And that is the best I can tell you. I don't know whether you live alone or not, but make it clear you are not receiving your family. I wonder, did any of those people whom your family agressed put in a report to the police? May be not, so they could go on bullying ad in eternum. Don't turn in your head too many things. Cruelty and bullying and satanic pride are quite simple things. No need to seek for much estraneous things there.
Salaam, take care of yourself and do not look for complications.
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Peace "huruf",
I wonder, did any of those people whom your family agressed put in a report to the police? May be not, so they could go on bullying ad in eternum.
JK- Yes his wife, as he told me himself. Shes been upset with him and is seeking for divorce recently since she wants to work whilst he wants her to be there at home for the children only. She also told him that the Christians were much more peaceful than the Muslims in her view. All this made him mad. Then she called the police but my uncle told me that theres nothing they could do to him. So you see how clever he is. GOD Bless!
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He, told you, he told you, he told you. So what? Do what you have to do. People who threat or batter the wife and children usually do it whitout witnesses or with witnesses on whom they count that won't tell. That is well known and there is nothing exceptional in it. The point is that there is a record and the authroities are aware. And you never know who may speak up at sometime or other.
Just a word of warning. If you want to work for the police or an agency, go through the official proper channels to become a proper employee or agent. Do not confide in any agency or inform them, except through the proper official channels as a proper witness. Several of the dead "terrorists" of the 11m in madrid were police confidants and others were being watched by them. They were set up and they were shut up. Of course you don't believe what I say and you prefer the official version. Well and good. Just you don't do something silly because of the events with this family of yours.
Salaam