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Chapter 105 - the Elephant

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    Chapter 105 - the Elephant (al-Fil) - Quran

    Verse 1
    Pickthall - Hast thou not seen how thy Lord dealt with the owners of the Elephant?
    Yusuf Ali - Seest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the Companions of the Elephant? Hilali-Khan Have you (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) not seen how your Lord dealt with the Owners of the Elephant? .
    Shakir - Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with the possessors of the elephant?
    Sher Ali - Knowest thou not how thy Lord dealt with the Owners of the Elephant? Khalifa Have you noted what your Lord did to the people of the elephant?
    Arberry - Hast thou not seen how thy Lord did with the Men of the Elephant?
    Palmer - Hast thou not seen what thy Lord did with the fellows of the elephant? Rodwell HAST thou not seen how thy Lord dealt with the army of the ELEPHANT? Sale Hast thou not seen how thy Lord dealt with the masters of the elephant? Transliterated Arabic Alam tara kayfa faAAala rabbuka bi-as-habi alfeeli

    http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/War-elephant-illustrated-london-news.jpg
    War elephants were important, although not widespread, weapons in ancient military history. Their main use was in charges, to trample the enemy and/or break their ranks. They were probably first employed in India, where the elephant corps served as one of the four classical wings of the Indian Army.

    (Source http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephants)

    Verse 2
    Pickthall Did He not bring their stratagem to naught,
    Yusuf Ali Did He not make their treacherous plan go astray?
    Hilali-Khan Did He not make their plot go astray?
    Shakir Did He not cause their war to end in confusion,
    Sher Ali Did HE not cause their design to miscarry?
    Khalifa Did He not cause their schemes to backfire?
    Arberry Did He not make their guile to go astray?
    Palmer Did He not make their stratagem lead them astray,
    Rodwell Did he not cause their stratagem to miscarry?
    Sale Did he not make their treacherous design an occasion of drawing them into error;
    Transliterated Arabic Alam yajAAal kaydahum fee tadleelin

    Verse 3
    Pickthall And send against them swarms of flying creatures,
    Yusuf Ali And He sent against them Flights of Birds,
    Hilali-Khan And sent against them birds, in flocks,
    Shakir And send down (to prey) upon them birds in flocks,
    Sher Ali And HE sent against them swarm of birds,
    Khalifa He sent upon them swarms of birds.
    Arberry And He loosed upon them birds in flights,
    Palmer and send down on them birds in flocks,
    Rodwell And he sent against them birds in flocks (ababils),
    Sale and send against them flocks of birds,
    Transliterated Arabic Waarsala AAalayhim tayran ababeela

    Comment
    I believe that 'waarsala' is derived from the word 'rasila' which means 'to send a messenger'. 'Arsala' means 'he sent', 'arsalu'= 'they sent', 'arsalat' = 'she sent', 'arsalna' = 'we sent', 'mursal?n'='those who were sent'.
    'Tayran' is also a word that I believe to also have been mistranslated in the above verse. It's true that 'tayran' can mean 'birds', but it also has other meanings, such as 'to fly, flee, hasten to do a thing'.
    B?bil = Babel, Babylon; City on the bank of the Euphrates founded by Nimr?d(?)

    My personal interpretation of the verse
    Waarsala - We and/or I have sent...
    Aalayhim - to them, on them
    Tayran - hastenly
    Ababeela - the people of Babylon/Babel

    (Source Dictionary of the Holy Quran by Abdul Mannan Omar)

    Verse 4
    Pickthall Which pelted them with stones of baked clay,
    Yusuf Ali Striking them with stones of baked clay.
    Hilali-Khan Striking them with stones of Sijjil.
    Shakir Casting against them stones of baked clay,
    Sher Ali ..., striking them against stones of clay.
    Khalifa That showered them with hard stones.
    Arberry hurling against them stones of baked clay
    Palmer to throw down on them stones of baked clay,
    Rodwell Claystones did they hurl down upon them,
    Sale which cast down upon them stones of baked clay;
    Transliterated Arabic Tarmeehim bihijaratin min sijjeelin

    Sijjeelin is derived from the word 'sajala' and means 'to pour out, spill (liquid), write a paper or a scrol, decide judicially'. So it was basically a law.

    http//www.millishura.com/Farsi/axbar/resimler/750px-Stoning_Stephen.gif
    Stoning, or lapidation, refers to a form of capital punishment whereby an organized group throws stones at the convicted individual until the person dies.
    Stoning has been used throughout history in a number of places, both in the form of community justice and also as a judicial form of capital punishment. The practice is referred to in Greek history, as well as Christian, Jewish, and Islamic texts.

    (Source http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning)

    Pickthall And made them like green crops devoured (by cattle)?
    Yusuf Ali Then did He make them like an empty field of stalks and straw, (of which the corn) has been eaten up.
    Hilali-Khan And made them like an empty field of stalks (of which the corn has been eaten up by cattle).
    Shakir So He rendered them like straw eaten up?
    Sher Ali And thus made them like broken straw, eaten up.
    Khalifa He made them like chewed up hay.
    Arberry and He made them like green blades devoured.
    Palmer and make them like blades of herbage eaten down?
    Rodwell And he made them like stubble eaten down!
    Sale and render them like the leaves of corn eaten ?
    Transliterated Arabic FajaAAalahum kaAAasfin ma/koolin

    What is your opinion on my above findings? Could someone also help me discover what tribe is referred to in the above verse? And what year/period?

    Thanks in advance.

    peace

    Latifah

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      Peace

      http//ourbeacon.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=2416#2416

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        Salaams Latifah,

        What is your opinion on my above findings? Could someone also help me discover what tribe is referred to in the above verse? And what year/period?

        Does God really send one set of people upon another set to stone them-?, NAOO!

        Rabb isn't God throughout the quran-sometimes its actually people- Pharaoh was a Rabb to the Israelites, did you know?

        And he did send an enormous ill- slaughtering their children to keep them in line.

        But good thing you are doing - research is good stuff.

        Salaams.

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          Salaams All,

          I wonder if anybody remebers the ayah' where Pharoah is refferred to as the Lord of Moses.....

          but anyways here are some others,

          They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

          Warawadat-hu allatee huwa fee baytihaAAan nafsihi waghallaqati al-abwaba waqalat haytalaka qala maAAatha Allahi innahu rabbee ahsanamathwaya innahu la yuflihu alththalimoona

          Tahir ul Qadri (&#1575 (&#1740 ( &#1722 ( &#1605 ! ( &#1746
          Yousuf Ali But she in whose house he was, sought to seduce him from his (true) self she fastened the doors, and said "Now come, thou (dear one)!" He said "Allah forbid! truly (thy husband) is my lord! he made my sojourn agreeable! truly to no good come those who do wrong!"

          Ya sahibayi alssijniaarbabun mutafarriqoona khayrun ami Allahu alwahidualqahharu

          Tahir ul Qadri ! (&#1572
          Yousuf Ali "O my two companions of the prison! (I ask you) are many lords differing among themselves better, or the One Allah, Supreme and Irresistible?

          Ya sahibayi alssijniamma ahadukuma fayasqee rabbahu khamranwaamma al-akharu fayuslabu fata/kulu alttayrumin ra/sihi qudiya al-amru allathee feehi tastaftiyani

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          Yousuf Ali "O my two companions of the prison! As to one of you, he will pour out the wine for his lord to drink as for the other, he will hang from the cross, and the birds will eat from off his head. (so) hath been decreed that matter whereof ye twain do enquire

          Waqala lillathee thannaannahu najin minhuma othkurnee AAindarabbika faansahu alshshaytanu thikrarabbihi falabitha fee alssijni bidAAa sineena

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          Yousuf Ali And of the two, to that one whom he consider about to be saved, he said "Mention me to thy lord." But Satan made him forget to mention him to his lord and (Joseph) lingered in prison a few (more) years

          Waqala almaliku i/toonee bihi falammajaahu alrrasoolu qala irjiAA ilarabbika fais-alhu ma balu alnniswatiallatee qattaAAna aydiyahunna inna rabbeebikaydihinna AAaleemun

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          Yousuf Ali So the king said "Bring ye him unto me." But when the messenger came to him, (Joseph) said "Go thou back to thy lord, and ask him, 'What is the state of mind of the ladies who cut their hands'? For my Lord is certainly well aware of their snare.

          Salaams All.

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            This is what I wrote about a year back
            http//free-minds.org/articles/history/petra.htm

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