Where is the brotherhood?
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Peace, welcome to quran alone ideology, but i would advise you not to rely on this forum, it will really confuse you like it confuses me. It's better to start with more coherent sites like http//www.submission.org then to proceed with http//www.19.org which offers a more intellectual approach. This forum is quite contradictory with the articles that the site houses. You will feel undoubtedly lost.
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Salaam friend-of-islam and welcome to the forum brother)
I agree that us as individuals can be more warm and friendly to eachother in this forum. But to tell you the truth, i almost have no complains. You know why? Because we are different people with different opinions, and therefore there may off course be disagrements or from people. But we don't take it personal because we agree that we could have different opionions and still be united. People here don't do ass kissing our smile fake at you like other religious groups may do. People here are real and speak their minds. The muslims in traditional islam are off course friendlier, but that is only as long as you follow their rules and live by their concept of faith.
But if you suddenly challenge their faith with logic or tell them the truth about hadiths etc. they won't smile at you again. Trust me! If you are lucky they will ignore you. If you are not lucky, they may even attack you. Everyone can be warm and smile to you, but the only smiles and warmness that last, is the real ones, not the ones that only last when you follow their way of faith. Let me give you an example. When people worked for the shah/king of iran, and was members of his sects/groups, the Shah fo iran did everything for them. He gave them money, he gave them clothes, cars, good jobs, etc. But this did only last if you was the shah's sheep. If you questioned him, disagreed with him or for instance wrote an article about what is wrong in his system, either you would end up in prison or your life would be over. The Shah of Iran did not want the truth to be showed to the people of iran. This forum is no sect forum were people only accept you as long as you whistle their sound.
This is a forum where people have on goal in mind, and that is too follow the truth and follow God syste(monotheism).
Trust me, i would rather be friend with someone who is normal than someone that is faking his warmness to me. That is marketing strategies----) They be kind to you and welcome you so you get tricked by their warmness and suddenly you are trapped in their sect. If you have talked to a salesman, you know what i mean. As long as he knows you are going to "buy his product" he will treat you like a king and be totally warm with you. But when you say you are not interested in buying his product, he will suddenly be cold to you.4066 Say "I have been forbidden from serving those whom you are calling upon besides God, since the proofs have come to me from my Lord. And I have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds."
4736 This worldly life is no more than play and vanity. But if you believe and lead a righteous life, He will reward you, and He will not ask you for your wealth.
God bless
David
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Peace "friend-of-islam",
...I never felt really attracted to the hadith but the brotherhood of traditional islam was great in my eyes...
JK- The "brotherhood" of the mafia is also very appealing to the ones who adhere to their system. As soon as anyone leaves the system, it's elektro. Ive experienced this only 4 days ago when i received a death threat from my uncle, who despite being within traditional islam, always appeared to be more secular. He goes out with my cousins visit discos, drank once is clean shaved, consistently makes himself dependent on state money, etc etc. GOD Bless!
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Salaam friend-of-islam and welcome to the forum brother
I agree that us as individuals can be more warm and friendly to eachother in this forum. But to tell you the truth, i almost have no complains. You know why? Because we are different people with different opinions, and therefore there may off course be disagrements or from people. But we don't take it personal because we agree that we could have different opionions and still be united. People here don't do ass kissing our smile fake at you like other religious groups may do. People here are real and speak their minds. The muslims in traditional islam are off course friendlier, but that is only as long as you follow their rules and live by their concept of faith.
That's probably because i never felt i belonged anywhere and sometimes it's great to hear about belonging to a brotherhood when you are invited to one. I think i'm a very lonely person although i don't really mind that. I do think i need someone or something bigger to trust, i know i have a great longing for god.
This is a forum where people have on goal in mind, and that is too follow the truth and follow God syste(monotheism).
Trust me, i would rather be friend with someone who is normal than someone that is faking his warmness to me. That is marketing strategies----) They be kind to you and welcome you so you get tricked by their warmness and suddenly you are trapped in their sect. If you have talked to a salesman, you know what i mean. As long as he knows you are going to "buy his product" he will treat you like a king and be totally warm with you. But when you say you are not interested in buying his product, he will suddenly be cold to you.True, if it is fake there is no worth in it.
4066 Say "I have been forbidden from serving those whom you are calling upon besides God, since the proofs have come to me from my Lord. And I have been commanded to submit to the Lord of the worlds."
4736 This worldly life is no more than play and vanity. But if you believe and lead a righteous life, He will reward you, and He will not ask you for your wealth.
God bless
David
salaam,
I would recommend reading what al quran has to say about brotherhood
Maybe you can give me some examples .
I think my only reservation is the concept of eternal hell in the quran.
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Salam)
Thanks kurt.
Friend-of-islam
That's probably because i never felt i belonged anywhere and sometimes it's great to hear about belonging to a brotherhood when you are invited to one. I think i'm a very lonely person although i don't really mind that. I do think i need someone or something bigger to trust, i know i have a great longing for god.David says
I understand bro. But i don't think you are lonely. When you have God, you will never be lonely. Because Gods system will complete your life, and give you inner peace. This lonelyness is temporary, and we all experience it sooner or later. Before i found the Islam trough god alone, i thought i had a lot of true friends. But today there are only 2 or 3 of those people that i know are REAL, and even that is not a guarantee because people can change and turn into your worst enemies.After i became more moral and started to follow God alone, i couldn't party and chat up girls like my other friends did. Because of that, i many times couldn't go out with people and had to spend time alone. But since i know that i have god, i know that nothing can stop me. And the lonelyness i experienced is just a stupid fantasy.
I am actually never lonely, even if i was living in a desert all alone i wouldn't be lonely because i have god as the best guide, the highest master, and as an ally. The true lonelyness is actually when we depend our lonelyness on being with friends. I sometimes see people belonging to a group and being happy. But i know that they can't do shit on their own. without their friends they have nothing, because everything they got is their friends. They actually don't understand that these friends may be temporary, and that their only true friend is God, and that it is only their friendship with God that would last forever.
1826 Say "God is fully aware how long they remained, to Him is the unseen of heavens and Earth, He sees and hears. They do not have besides Him any ally, nor does He share in His judgment with anyone."
2922 "And you will not be able to escape this fact, on Earth or in the heavens, nor do you have besides God any ally or victor."
923 O you who believe, do not take your fathers nor brothers as allies if they prefer rejection to belief. And whoever of you takes them as such, then these are the wicked.
we as humans are social beings. So therefore, It is off course in our nature that we want to belong to a group or have people around us. But we must not forget that all this thoughts of being lonely is only fantasy. The most lonely people on earth are actually those who don't have inner peace, or those who their happiness is based on material objects or the feeling of belonging to a group. And the reason for that is because as soon as their material objects(cars, money etc) and their friends are gone, they have nothing, and they will fastly become miserable. But the good news my friend is that you are not alone. You are not alone because you have God as i mentioned earlier. And us muslims are all your brothers. Actually every human being is your brother, because everyone of us are desendants/famliy of Adam and Eve. Besides, people in this forum may be much warmer than than the sunnis if you meet us in real life. Because righteous God-fearing and Real people and people that follow common-sense/reason, probably are better friends than those who don't have any rules or principals. That is a fact-----) A man who stands for nothing, will fall for everything, and therefore he will easily betray you. Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton
Remember that this is just a forum where we exchange our thoughts and speak to eacother. We can't judge every individual through this forum. That is because you can't see everyone's facial expressions and body language etc through their texts/posts. Just as we can't "judge a book by it's cover", we can't judge individuals by their posts on the forum as i mentioned above. Whenever i the thought of being lonely tries to infiltrate my mind, i just remind myself of God, and i fill my leisure with activities, hobbies etc, like instance, sports, reading books, watching movies, etc and suddenly the fake lonelyness vanish.
1547 And We removed what sadness was in their chests, they are brothers in quarters facing one another.
4910 The believers are brothers; so reconcile between your brothers, and be aware of God, that you may receive mercy.
3103 And hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and do not be separated. And remember God's blessing upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts. Then you became, with His blessing, as brothers; and you were on the edge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it; it is thus that God clarifies for you His signs that you may be guided.
Peace, David
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salaams brother David,
My husband has tried to discuss issues with hadiths, with sunni muslims..in the end i had to advise him to keep quiet..or he will end up shot!! Ok we live in the UK ..but if we were living in the middle east, i can imagine mobs gathering outside our home. It is so sad that this is the situation of islamic states, thank you brother David for summing up the way it is.. , and putting a knowing smile on our faces..we are not the only ones facing adversity!!
