Holocaust poll
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"Holocaust" numbers -
2000 days X 24 hours X 60 minutes X 60 seconds
That is 172,800,000 seconds
Divided by 6,000,000
One Jew, identified, detained, "arrested", transported, killed, and body disposed of every 30 seconds
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Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these ''survivors'' were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the Holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on.
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Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the Holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these " cognoscenti " is deafening!
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What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp?
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Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to ''death camps'' hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival?wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of efficiency?
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Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a Holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an "incredible meeting of the minds" by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude.
Prof. Hilberg's exact quote
"But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus ? mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."
Let us note again those final words "an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus ? mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."
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How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from an immediate post war figure of 3 million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many respond to this observation by saying, " what's the difference whether it's six million or one million''. The answer is that the difference is five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three years in an Austrian jail...just ask British historian David Irving!
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All of Germany's wartime codes were compromised including the one used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been insisted that the Germans used a kind of euphemistic code when discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution, special treatment, resettlement, etc. Why was it necessary for them to use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?
Cool The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of thousands of victims untenable.
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Initially claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergen-Belsen. ''Evidence'' to that effect was every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were told that this was not the case and that all the ''death camps'' were located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently) of the probing eyes of western scholars.
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No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any protective gear and the fact that Zyclon B was a "time release" fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another twenty-four hours. And that even after twenty-four hours the corpses would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.
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Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap, lamp shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews?could it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these claims are totally untenable?
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Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special grids?''evidence'' of this was presented at Nuremberg?evidence that sent men to the gallows.
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Elie Wiesel has been described as "the Apostle of Remembrance" yet in his memoir, ?Night? which deals with his stay at Auschwitz he makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn't this a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?
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Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.
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According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?
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''Proof'' of the Holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony; there's little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described by Jean Claude Pressac as merely ''criminal traces''. Even Judge Grey who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was ?extremely thin?. To paraphrase Prof. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, ''a crime of this magnitude would have left a mountain of evidence''?where is it? There was more hard evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!
1 Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries?what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.
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Why do the court historians insist that "denying the Holocaust" is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed?
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Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the remembering the Holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959?
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Survivors of the Holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims?some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?
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According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by Allied aircraft who were over flying the camp on a daily basis during this time period. Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient heat to totally consume a body?
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All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?
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The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were "missing" at the end of the war? ANSWER Yes and No! WHY? You can go to jail in Israel and 11 European nations if you do such research and have a different answer. I am not kidding! Ask the Max Planck scientist Germar Rudolf. (Do Google search for imprisoned THOUGHT CRIMINAL Germar Rudolf).
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Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions?it strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.
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Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?
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"The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened ". Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist evidence to the contrary?
Note for item 27 "34 reputable historians" in 1979 paid and published an advertisement in Le Monde one of the most monumental pieces of nonsense of French academic life
"It is not necessary to ask oneself how, technically, such a mass murder was possible. It was technically possible because it happened."
2 What other historical truths rely to the extent that the Holocaust does on so-called "eye witness" testimony?and why have none of these witnesses ever been cross examined?
I am not denying if the holocaust happened, but the 'facts' (blindly bought by everyone) make no sense.
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.
http//www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=865
"If you got something to hide, It can't be very good, can it?"
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Agree with House. The holocaust has happened, but the numbers of the people being killed is exaggerated by historicians. It is not a conspiracy to believe this, because if there are proofs for something then it is not a conspiracy. Here are proofs that back up what i believe. I found this interesting article as i was searching google afew days ago.
Contradictions, Lies, and Exaggerations' in Number Killed in ?Jewish Holocaust'
http//www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8064
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Peace "House M.D",
One Jew, identified, detained, "arrested", transported, killed, and body disposed of every 30 seconds
JK- Common you know that they didnt have to die one after the other but that in the concentration camps a huge number died SIMULTANEOUSLY. GOD Bless!
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Peace
More than just the Jews were killed in the Holocaust.
Joe
Exactly. People make it a Jew thing but in fact all minorities were being targeted.
There are many survivors of the haulocaust so we know it happened, but it's possible that there have been exaggerations.
I don't really care if the holocaust happened or not, it really is irrelevant to our lives today. It shouldn't have anything to do with the creation of Isreal or anything else in the present. It doesn't matter anymore. -
Peace,
Respectfully.Brother, with all due respect, the Jews were killed in such a number during WW2, because they did not respect the sabbath, i think.
I mean, right?
I think i remember that WW2 is mentioned as a prophecy in the Quran, i'm not sure but i will verify.
God knows best.God bless you all.
Peace. -
The Holocaust included many different groups
- Jews
- Slavs
- Gypsies
- Intellectuals (that way they wouldn't speak out against Hitler)
- Homosexuals
- The mentally retarted
- Handicaps
- and many, many others...
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The Holocaust included many different groups
- Jews
- Slavs
- Gypsies
- Intellectuals (that way they wouldn't speak out against Hitler)
- Homosexuals
- The mentally retarted
- Handicaps
- and many, many others...
...pacifists, communists, socialists...
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In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
That is a very big charge to level. What reason would Josef Stalin have to set up these camps?
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In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
That is a very big charge to level. What reason would Josef Stalin have to set up these camps?
Brother I have visited one of the camps..believe me, its a horrific place. It's in no way fabricated. Why are people defending the Nazis???
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The Holocaust included many different groups
- Jews
- Slavs
- Gypsies
- Intellectuals (that way they wouldn't speak out against Hitler)
- Homosexuals
- The mentally retarted
- Handicaps
- and many, many others...
You missed out Freemasons, Catholics, Muslims, etc.
And this is why the figure of 6 million is wrong, there were more.
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House MD
Between 1930 and 1933 many Jews living in Germany fled, including people like Einstein.
Jews were forced to wear yellow stars in order to identify themselves, and they often lived in special "ghetto" areas of the city.
It wasnt hard to round them up, and it certainly wasnt hard to pump a room of jews full of gas. -
House MD
Between 1930 and 1933 many Jews living in Germany fled, including people like Einstein.
Jews were forced to wear yellow stars in order to identify themselves, and they often lived in special "ghetto" areas of the city.
It wasnt hard to round them up, and it certainly wasnt hard to pump a room of jews full of gas.It happened in Russia too
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Peace,
I did not answer anything on the poll, because anything is possible. I think it is interesting that Jews have such a powerful position in the world following a holocaust. So I am open to the fact that it may not have been on the scale that most people think it was. I also think it should be emphasized that other people besides Jews suffered catostrophic slaughter (dare I saw holocausts) during that time . I also don't think the holocaust should be used by many Jewish organizations and Israel as a guilt trip for people to give them whatever they want, and so they can accuse people of being anti-semitic whenever someone disagrees with Israel's policies, doesn't like a particular person who happens to be a Jew, or is a critic of the racist ideology of Zionism. Lastly I don't like how Jewish people (a great deal of whom aren't even Semitic, specifically Ashkenazis) try to monopolize the term Semetic, when they know good and well that even THEY consider the Arabs to be Semitic, and they even speak a Semitic langauge. Those are my gripes. I think the Holocaust happened and I think it was a crime against humanity but I am open to the possiblity that it wasn't on the scale that we think it was although I have not formed a clear opinion on it, and will not until I have some clear evidence.
Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace,
I did not answer anything on the poll, because anything is possible. I think it is interesting that Jews have such a powerful position in the world following a holocaust. So I am open to the fact that it may not have been on the scale that most people think it was. I also think it should be emphasized that other people besides Jews suffered catostrophic slaughter (dare I saw holocausts) during that time . I also don't think the holocaust should be used by many Jewish organizations and Israel as a guilt trip for people to give them whatever they want, and so they can accuse people of being anti-semitic whenever someone disagrees with Israel's policies, doesn't like a particular person who happens to be a Jew, or is a critic of the racist ideology of Zionism. Lastly I don't like how Jewish people (a great deal of whom aren't even Semitic, specifically Ashkenazis) try to monopolize the term Semetic, when they know good and well that even THEY consider the Arabs to be Semitic, and they even speak a Semitic langauge. Those are my gripes. I think the Holocaust happened and I think it was a crime against humanity but I am open to the possiblity that it wasn't on the scale that we think it was although I have not formed a clear opinion on it, and will not until I have some clear evidence.
Godbless,
AnwarWhether it was exaggerated or underestimated, it was awful.
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Whether it was exaggerated or underestimated, it was awful.
Yes it was.
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It's unfortunate that another holocaust is happening today, in Palestine.
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Unfortunately they are happening all over the world, just on a smaller, less newsworthy scale.
bravo