Ariel interview with an agel. Anybody read this?
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Hmm a lot to say, i don't know where to start. But from your experiences, seems like that third eye is scary. And a lot of dark side things in your experiences. I can feel the darkness looming when reading your post. So basically I don't want to argue with you nor uphold things that i have no knowledge or experience of. So what i say is just what my humanly consciousness can comprehend now. Hopefully i could clear some things in my mind.
And so I say to you - we really have no idea who Ariel really is - do we? In my last post when I was reffering to not calling upon angels it was meant in reference to Ariel.
I don't know or haven't seen any channeling of an angel, but we also don't know who or what Gabriel is right? How did it contacted Muhammad during his time, is it continuously or sometimes. But there some verses that tells us that their followers are waiting for any verses of decision coming (somewhere on sura 9). But the process is somewhat happened when the person is meditating sincerely or in a situation where he don't know what to do. One thing that I'm not clear about Muhammad is why did he went to cave Hira' at the first time? It is easy for us to accept Quran? What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel? Look at those Shias and Sunnis. They are fighting among themselves. And the hating towards Jews and Christian is unbelievable (from our perspective). I was a Sunni, previously i have no doubt on hating towards Jews and Christians cuz I cannot question about it. But now I can't hate anybody, nor willing to hate anybody cuz we are all came from the same origin. The Creator.
But obviously it is not hard for satan to get clever and mislead people by deceit.
Yes it's not hard for them. They can whisper to us anywhere anytime. Not just while healing or meditating. Correct? Like they can whisper evil to any political leaders, and it could cause a ripple where their followers are kinda like hypnotized by it and followed them. It's easy for them to influence us when we didn't remember the God. And it's easy for God to harden our heart to forget Him too (that's scary). Those who already forget about God has already become their agents, so to speak.
The point is, like what you did now is good. We are getting aware of the satan's deceit. But not all are satan's deceit. I admit i still have a long way to go. God willing maybe i have to experience what you had experienced. Or maybe not. But i don't think i should stop here. I'd also like to see the God's creation. One thing for sure, i won't find any Guru or Master to learn (not about New age, but about His creation). I'll just ask God to teach me (if He willed) and ask for His refuge (if He willed). That's the right thing to do right?
And so when I am talking about God alone I really and truly am talking against the submitting to all the different systems invented by man - mental health theories; medical treatments (bar say emergency surgery procedures - though perhaps a true submitter would perhaps submit To God's will and die!), instituitionalised education etc etc. They are not in line with the natural human design way of living our life - which is really all that is required to stay free of problems in our life - whether health wise or mental wise.
Erm maybe i'm wrong, but how do you define natural human design? Is your scope are on natural medicine? Spritual medicine? or is it just asking God for help? I hope i'm not doubting God's power, but most people got stuck in this illusion/image that we call reality. Medicine is one of God's creations. There are many types of medicine that we can use. But one must realize, even the most expensive medicine, if God does not willed that it happen, it won't. Even Quran says, dates and honey is one of the medicine.
Is every human invented systems actually came from man? Is it not from inspiration? ideas? or from the sincerety to understand and help others? All those mental, medical health things are part of our evolution. Without it, i don't think we could evolved up to what we are now. Of course God loves those who submit to His will. But only a few have willed to Submit to Him, others are attached to this worldly desires. But still there will be at some point (those whom God wills), they had to ask only to God because they felt they had no other choices. Like what you did, you've won already.
And death, only those who experienced it knows. But most of them can't get back to tell the tale. When the time comes we'll know.
For the second post,
About judging, we had to judge, It's our nature. Like you said, we are naturally living our life. But the problem is, how do we know that what we are judging is the right one? Like i said earlier, we have to understand how this works (i.e what is fear, what is love etc.) to understand what we judge is the correct one or not. And Quran also advices to judge with equal measures. That is what i'm trying to do. To see all the good and the bad. And judge based on the findings that i've seen, heard or read.
All and all, what you shared from your experience is unique by itself. I really appreciate your willing to share with us about it. Those experiences that you felt seems traumatizing to me. I want to reflect it, maybe i'll learn something about it. I've said what i needed to say. I guess we better not argue with further. It makes us forgot where we should focus ourselves on. Better "utilise it on more 'pure' attentive work". Right? )
May God bless us.
Thanks
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Thankyou for highlighting me to some issues to reflect on more deeply.
What if the Quran itself is a part of the dark plan since we believe that it came from angel Gabriel?
well I am sorry abotu this situation - but I already got there before you - remember I was the one who first highlighted this as possible ambiguity? And I also answered it - the system (of mainly following one God) described within the Quran both saved me from what I expereinced and aswell saves me from turning to those satanic ways. So again I say it was a thought that came to me after my last experience but when I eventually looked in to the guidance from the Quran many things becamse clear and I could really see how I had been lost before. Secondly teh divinity, the miracle of the Quran I easily see is contained within itself in it's messages and in it's righteousness. I don't see the same with Ariel or with others - they have many discrepancies as what I have tried to highlight in this thread.
I did meditation 99% everyday for over a year before the 'healing' chapter in my life. I am talking about transcendental meditation not just sitting quietly. I also happen to know of personally many people still engaged in such ways. In my personal opnion - mediation does not lift a person morally higher - you can go places and download information and you can feel 'differnet' but it does not compensate for the moral conscious system advocated for in the Quran. . Though it's possible that meditation may reduce a persons morality through the attachment of jinn etc.
It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Yes I guess satan can attack from anywhere not just in meditation or from following other's conjecture -but following the system of the Quran would allow for the best damge limitation.
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Don't get me wrong - many people have helped towards good change in this world. But ultimately there is a difference between thinking that you have all the answers for yourself or otherwise 'submitting' to God's will and His system...
I am not against going to see God's creation - as I advocated before - seek knowledge but I would not advocate for the seeking of man-made interpretation/theory. The Quran advocates for observation.
I don't think that anybody will claim that they are new age - it is just a term that I have used to identify the current satanic movement on the whole.
My definition of Natural Human Design Avoiding problems before they occur. I.e why does person feel ill usually because something has been wrong in the diet or lifestyle or thinking. Prevention rather than cure so I am not really a beleiver in conventional medicine - just a beleiver in right living as a cure in itself.
Obeying the laws of nature - sleeping when we feel seepy, not suppressing our urge to go to the toilet when we feel like it, eating natural food as per want/desire rather than rules on how to eat what to eat when to eat it. Eating whole foods without manufactured additives - not Unprocessed foods - so I have no problem with honey and dates - (in fact it is very possible that what is meant in the Quran is that they are highly nutritous food as opposed to having a direct/specific drug/medication effect on an isolated illness). Not taking isolated and manufactured drug mediction/vitamin pills, not advocating that one must only stay to raw food for salvation as a human being or that one must entirely be vegetarian, not following theories about food but desires on what to eat, not having special needs children strapped to contraptions all day so that they are made to stand upright in one place all in the name of physiotherapy.
http//www.newstarget.com/022330.html - you are right without the medical models and artificial foods, we would not be where we are right now.
In my mind most medical systems have truth mixed in with perversion.
Not just medicine - but we are all part of God's creation - even the dark side. I think rather you probably meant that medicine is a blessing from God. Well I think that the only real blessing we can have is in returning to the straight path. Medicine may bring temporary relief for our problems - but we will not have addressed the cause, and more than likely it will in some way have suppressed what our body was naturally trying to deal with and get over. In the Quran it mentions that 'every illness is caused by sin' and there is another somewhere that says 'There is a cure for every disease except death'
how do we know that what we are judging is the right one?
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right. The rest we leave to God - to either help us to realise the truth and straight path - most likely this would result from teh concequences of our actions. That way we ge to learn and grow in wisdom. Of course we are blessed to also have the Quran as guidance.I guess all that remains for me to say is that go in line with your levels of consciousness and understanding and stay true to that. But remeber I hope you will remember two things
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that I started my journey in the new age world with the frame of mind that I woudl take what's good and leave the bad - but I found the the bad comes after you faster than you know how to say 'no - this is not what I want'.
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that it is the way of satan to deceive - to mix truth with falsehood so that you your natural defence mechanism is lowered.
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It's good that you feel you can't hate anyone - but I feel that inline with the Quranic guidance you should hate a person's behaviours if they are behaviours of injustice towards another person.
Erm yeah, unless I'm oppressed or saving other people or fighting for the sake of God, that's a different story. Still, i'd like to stay at the "No Hate" mode, looking on the peaceful side rather than saving those hatred feelings. At the end it's our choice. ;D
In my personal experience political leaders are not interested in listening to God - they are interested in God listening to them so that they may bring their personal agenda to fruition - whether that be a humanitarian or power based goal it does not matter.
Spot on!. They're too busy campaigning. ;D
This is easy to answer - we do so inline with our consciousness in terms of what feels right.
I guess this is what makes people argue (or worst fight/war) all the time. But as long as we stick to God as the final judge, i guess that should be fine.
Humans are always hasty, i hope we're not one of 'em . Brother i'll keep your advice and place it in my heart. Thanks a million. handshake
Peace.
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I am your sister!
LOL - just goes to show how much you may not have beeing paying attention to my rants - I know I quoted my husband somewhere. rotfl yay eat muscle -X -*Best wishes
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Dear Sisters Fadhli and Humandesign,
I just wanted to say how much I thoroughly enjoyed your exchanges. It was very enlightening. Even though I have complete faith that God is running EVERYTHING, every sub atomic particle, 24/7, and that the Quran is indeed God's word and message to us, I am only human and still struggle with being content. Lately is seems to be a constant test that God is putting me through. Reading your posts help give me some perspective. Thank you for all that you shared.
May God continue to bless and guide us all.
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Dear 'I beleive',
I see from some of your other posts that like me you are also new to this forum. I hope you find peace and resolve for anything you may be facing. In all honesty I have found experience to be the greatest teacher and whereby you come full circle to understand that you knew the truth all along.
Yes - I think where differing viewpoints are concerned, dialogue is probably good for helping to move towards equilibrium point in a given society.
Oh and also - I Know that Fadhli in his writings comes accross as female yes it's what I also thought......but I have seen some other post of Fadhlis' in another thread to indicate the he is in fact male!
Hope that clarifies the situation on our gender identities - not that it really matters of course though perhaps it is good that each of us has managed to extend ourselves to the opposite gender handshake
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Oh and also - I Know that Fadhli in his writings comes accross as female yes it's what I also thought......but I have seen some other post of Fadhlis' in another thread to indicate the he is in fact male!
I would like to verify that it is true. ;D
I felt glad, joyful and thankful to God that someone had a positive understanding and help to open a new perspective on our exchange of thoughts. Felt like we are purposely guided to comment like that. Maybe it's because of our prayer that we ended up like this. ) ) ) ;D ;D
Peace jedi