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To Be A Muslim

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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    peace t,

    That person's matter is with God.

    Yes, but what is your position according to your criteria where they will end up? What I am trying to highlight is can they fulfill all criteria you gave except not read/hear God's words (I assume by words you mean textual revelation) and still end up in hell or punishment in hereafter?

    Firstly, given the widespread presence of God's word, and the numerous messengers throughout history, it is not "highly possible" that one is not exposed to God's words, but is "unlikely".

    There are millions of people worldwide who will never hear/read God's words, and if they do, will certainly have very little means to verify them from the actual text. In any case, the number is irrelevant, let's say it is one person, what is your position on their outcome.

    I will put aside your so-called references to "ignorance".

    4153 is about verification of God's words as the truth using God's other signs. I should have used "God's signs" instead of "God's words" in my above post, which would include "God's words" too.

    Can you re-post with your clarification. Thanks.

    You are right. Every reason cited for punishment is part of the minimum requirements. You will find that all those reasons fall under the category of disbelieving/denying/rejecting/not following/violating the 3 basic requirements mentioned in 262 and 569.

    And did you do this research and check it before you formed your conclusion?

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      truthseeker11
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      Peace Wakas,

      I have already answered all your questions. It is no use repeating what I have already said.

      2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been made clear from the wrong way. Whoever rejects evil, and believes in God, then he has grasped the most solid branch that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.

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        belH
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        There are millions of people worldwide who will never hear/read God's words, and if they do, will certainly have very little means to verify them from the actual text. In any case, the number is irrelevant, let's say it is one person, what is your position on their outcome.

        Peace all

        497 Those whose lives are terminated by the angels, while they had wronged their souls; they said ?What situation were you in??, they said ?We were oppressed on Earth.? They said ?Was God?s Earth not wide enough that you could emigrate in it?? To these their abode will be Hell; what a miserable destiny!
        498 Except for those who were oppressed from the men, women, and children who could not devise a plan nor could be guided to a way.

        Salam

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        • WakasW Offline
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          Wakas
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          peace t,

          I have already answered all your questions. It is no use repeating what I have already said.

          No you have not, as I asked a new question and for you to re-post your view with the clarification you admitted it needed.

          peace belal,
          Thanks for posting those verses which are in favour of my view.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            belH
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            peace t,

            peace belal,
            Thanks for posting those verses which are in favour of my view.

            Peace Wakas;
            You welcome; but you have to understand that if ones are exposed to God's words, they will not be execused from not following (not rejecting)the book guidences.
            And as I said before, that is the minimum of being Moslem, which the artical failed to address.
            May God lead us all to the path of the ones who will be saved in JD.
            Peace

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              Alen
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              Alen I do not understand your reasoning for "First of all, The God, The Real God said that He is One and therefore He created religion, not men.", can you clarify?

              Peace,
              Respectfully.

              There was nothing behind this sentence, i was just saying what i wrote, honestly.
              I hope it was not misunderstood.

              Glory be to our God,
              Glory be to our God.
              Peace.

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                Wakas
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                Peace Wakas;
                You welcome; but you have to understand that if ones are exposed to God's words, they will not be execused from not following (not rejecting)the book guidences.
                And as I said before, that is the minimum of being Moslem, which the artical failed to address.
                May God lead us all to the path of the ones who will be saved in JD.
                Peace

                peace belal,

                It may seem it failed to address that point, but maybe it is because "muslim" has nothing to do with The Quran.

                All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                  belH
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                  peace belal,

                  It may seem it failed to address that point, but maybe it is because "muslim" has nothing to do with The Quran.

                  Peace Wakas,
                  Thank you for your reply; I agree with you that the majority of the so called Moslem today are using the Quran for reading and not guidance. But, Free-Minds should show the truth in their Articles; after all, many people are using your articles for guidance.
                  May God Bless
                  Salam

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