salaat=programming/conditioning
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I've always though that to improve moral is really important and at times i tried to link it to salat and zakat. About 2 weeks now i've focused my salat on a list of moral things which i lack and bad morals which i'm trying to get rid of and it is so obvious that things are better. My remembrance of God has also bettered and improved.Previously i thought that salat was just the remembrance of God. But now i focus on moral but at the same time try to reflect on God as to decide on what i have done wrong and what good attributes i lack which could assist me in adding to the good deeds i try to accomplish in my lifetime given. You could say it's my attempt to magnify God during the salat as this helps to seek out good moral attributes as well as spot bad attributes i have.
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Peace be upon you nimnimak,
Awesom post
I've always though that to improve moral is really important and at times i tried to link it to salat and zakat. About 2 weeks now i've focused my salat on a list of moral things which i lack and bad morals which i'm trying to get rid of and it is so obvious that things are better. My remembrance of God has also bettered and improved.Previously i thought that salat was just the remembrance of God. But now i focus on moral but at the same time try to reflect on God as to decide on what i have done wrong and what good attributes i lack which could assist me in adding to the good deeds i try to accomplish in my lifetime given. You could say it's my attempt to magnify God during the salat as this helps to seek out good moral attributes as well as spot bad attributes i have.
Isnt it rewarding to see the effects that God says we should see?? Real Change!
Just remember as you are helping yourself to also,
(20132) And order your people with the programming/conditioning(salaat) and endure patience on it, We do not ask you (for) a provision/means of livelihood, We provide for you, and the end (result is) to the God Conciousness
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Can you just give me an idea of what you mean?
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Salat does not involve bowing and prostration. Salat is the act of incense burning. Please read my article titled "Salat is none other than Incense Burning".
Peace,
K.Vivekanandan
Who commanded u with this?
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Salaat = Programming/conditioning (of the subconcious/mind). Bump to the top!
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I am curious regarding your findings on the salat. I am currently studying it in conjunction with zakat. This study has been prompted by my study of hajj. My conclusions on hajj could not be finalised without investigating salat & zakat. I noticed that you have applied the meaning of salaat = programming/conditioning in the verses. Have you considered the context of the occurrences of salat in these verses? Have you successfully applied your understanding of salat to a community as well as the individual?
I look forward to your thoughts.
Imraan
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if i may focus on this particular verse, i'd like to know more about this raising of the voice or lowering it... in what way is that meant?
'cause when i talk to God i usually do it in my head, i don't know if my voice is loud or low.Say Call upon Allah or call upon, the Beneficent God; whichever you call upon, He has the best names; and do not utter your prayer with a very raised voice nor be silent with regard to it, and seek a way between these.
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Peace be upon you 1celostnowfound,
I am curious regarding your findings on the salat. I am currently studying it in conjunction with zakat.
Salaat is programming of the subconcious(that which controls your LIFE!)...our goal in programming is to purify(zakaat) it
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He who purifies it(the nafs/subconcious) suceeds and he who corrupts it fails.
This study has been prompted by my study of hajj. My conclusions on hajj could not be finalised without investigating salat & zakat.
My understanding of hajj is "debate", not arguing(jadala), but debate, or reasoning....basically what we are all doing here o)
I noticed that you have applied the meaning of salaat = programming/conditioning in the verses. Have you considered the context of the occurrences of salat in these verses?
Yes, if you see a verse that does not fit with you please share it with me and we can discuss it.
Have you successfully applied your understanding of salat to a community as well as the individual?
programming of the subconcious is done by putting your mind in the state of meditation, which s the state between awake(day) and sleep(night, hence the reason salaat is timed at dawn and dusk, times of the merging of day and night. This can be done individually or in a group with a leader who "seeds" the group while in meditation state with the correct "truths". It is not far from what is done in many "churches" and other holy places where a message is "preached", just that the message must be correct, and the meditation state must be acheived for it to stick.
One thing to mention, we go in and out of meditation state several times a day unknowingly. So woe to those who "salaat" are heedless of thier salaat (been a while, i think thats how the verse is stated)
Look foward to hearing from you if you are still around, I havent posted in quite a while
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Good to be back
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My understanding of hajj is "debate", not arguing(jadala), but debate, or reasoning....basically what we are all doing here o)
i know its not really a hajj topic, but would like to ask if you could explain more in detail how it means 'debate'
as in quran it is mentioned few other things regarding hajj, like mt arafat or circling something....bytheway, welcome back gw
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Peace be upon you Nerpsi,
Give the the verse number in question. I apologize but I cannot remember my verses as I once used to when I was on here all day everyday o) I will be glad to build with you on this topic
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Peace be upon you,
I have received several messages recently regarding my view of the programming(salaat), so I would like to bump this thread back to the top for more discussion. I hope there will be some good discussion and/or debate.
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Wa Salaams,
Wow. Just today I posted something regarding de-programming myself from what I believed to be the correct way to pray. Now I read your post on salaat being conditioning/programming.
So maybe I should reconsider my train of thought...very interesting read.
With Peace,
Amina
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I totally agree about programming our subconsciousness to change our perception of life etc etc.
But we do not need Qur'an for that.
Anyway, excellent posts @GodWithin!
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I think to boil down the message of salat purely to programming/conditioning, is too simple.
I hold salaat to mean the contact prayer. You can hold salaat at any time, and anywhere, and potentially without moving your lips. Your intention through salaat could be to ask for help, to thank, to ask for providence upon yourself or others, etc. The result is, inshallah, manifestation of that which you prayed for, which reinforces itself in your mind as the truth -- the truth being appealing to the mind, results in you engaging in salat.
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Salaam all.
Incense Burning!
Seriously?I think to boil down the message of salat purely to programming/conditioning, is too simple.
I hold salaat to mean the contact prayer. You can hold salaat at any time, and anywhere, and potentially without moving your lips. Your intention through salaat could be to ask for help, to thank, to ask for providence upon yourself or others, etc. The result is, inshallah, manifestation of that which you prayed for, which reinforces itself in your mind as the truth -- the truth being appealing to the mind, results in you engaging in salat.
Totally agree!
(443) You, you those who believed, do not approach the programming/conditioning and you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying, and nor distant from God/impure , except crossing a path, until you wash yourselves with water , and if you were sick/diseased or on a long distance travel, or any of you came from the toilet or you touched repeatedly the women, so you did not find water, so wipe your hands and face with dust , pure/good dust, so wipe with your faces and your hands, truly The God is often pardoning, forgiving.
(512) And The God had taken Israel's male children?s promise, and We sent from them twelve chiefs, and The God said, "I am with you, if you maintain the programming/conditioning , and you brought forth the purification, and you believed with My messengers and you supported/aided them, and you lent The God a good loan, I will substitute from you your sins and I will enter you (in) gardens, the rivers flow from beneath it, so who disbelieved after that, from you, so (he) had misguided the path."
Doesn't make sense.
Personality disorders and defects arise when one programs themselves negatively. For example, an avoidant will repeatedly tell themselves that they are worthless and useless and it slowly sinks in, over the years. The end result is a shell of a human being, worthless and useless because of their own conditioning. All addictive behaviours have a root in bad conditioning as well. Suppressed emotions, shame, etc; there is a mountain of evidence to suggest that gambling, alcoholi, sex and even drug addictions arise from this behaviour. With this in mind, how amazing is it that LSD-25, an agent that throws one into a dark room of introspection, locks the door and throws away the key until sanity is restored, is a more powerful tool for treating such behaviours than the 12-step process? Either way the worst is the schizoid condition and let it be assured that none of you want to get into that mindset
Character defects, addictions, are different to Mental Health problems, such as Personality disorders, Bi-polar 1-2, Schizophrenia, Cyclical Mood disorder, the list goes on. Yes I agree that CBT, Talking Therapies, LINK Groups can help people become aware of one's character defect. Mental Health problems are very different. Talking Therapies, One to one counselling can help, but a lot of people need medication, some of these illnesses are quite serious.
I do not agree with the meaning Programming/conditioning. Why wouldn't you want to praise The God, throughout the day? Why wouldn't you want to bow down to your Creator, and be grateful? We can still help the suffering in the world, we can still be charitable, we can still make a difference.
I do not believe I have to do Mental Gymnastics when it comes to reading and understanding the Qur'an.
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Peace be upon you Scrappy Doo,
What does not make sense in the verses you quoted? I would like to discuss them with you.