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What momentous sacrifice?

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    unknownuser
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    Salam,

    The simple fact of the matter is that 37107 does not specifically say.

    I believe that the answer is in the Torah. However, you will find others who disagree with this.

    Salam,
    Arnab

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      God_Within
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      Peace be upon you,

      The God makes some into apes and swine...is that literal?

      Sacrifice your greed, anger, worrying, fear, doubt, sadness, anxiety, etc.

      Sacrifice the animal within you that drives you to be lead by your emotionality.

      The "picture" of the "devil" is a man with ANIMAL features (horns, hoofs, tail, etc).

      Jesus told Satan "get Ye BEHIND me"....meaning that the emotions must follow and support you, not lead you.

      This message is for humanity at all times..how many of you have been asked to sacrifice your literal son by God? Thats right NONE of you...so what thinking is going into this message?

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        huruf
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        Peace be upon you,

        The God makes some into apes and swine...is that literal?

        Sacrifice your greed, anger, worrying, fear, doubt, sadness, anxiety, etc.

        Sacrifice the animal within you that drives you to be lead by your emotionality.

        The "picture" of the "devil" is a man with ANIMAL features (horns, hoofs, tail, etc).

        Jesus told Satan "get Ye BEHIND me"....meaning that the emotions must follow and support you, not lead you.

        This message is for humanity at all times..how many of you have been asked to sacrifice your literal son by God? Thats right NONE of you...so what thinking is going into this message?

        That makes a lot of sense.

        Salaam

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          pvb
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          Arnab- Yes, I saw on the very first verse I checked what you mean.

          That is what I was thinking for John 129 also, the Word of GOD. Especially since that is how the Chapter begins. You know my gut feeling, the Holy Spirit has always moved me to say Jesus is not the prophet carrying the message, He was and is the message of GOD.

          Mark 14
          Jesus Predicts Peter's Denial
          27"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written
          " 'I will strike the shepherd,
          and the sheep will be scattered.'

          John 21
          Jesus Reinstates Peter
          15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?"
          "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you."
          Jesus said, "Feed my lambs ."

          Is the rule firm that the root word always stays a synonym?

          Yes very exciting learning aramaic!!

          godwithin and huruf- The sacrifice in that verse is Allah's, not our's or Abraham's.

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            huruf
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            please explain how that is stated in the Quran.

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              unknownuser
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              Salam,

              John 21
              15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?"
              "Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you."
              Jesus said, "Feed my lambs ."

              I would say a better translation is "Tend my word." But feed in a broad sense can also be understood.

              Is the rule firm that the root word always stays a synonym?

              I don't know that I understand the question.
              But, if you are asking does the word AMR retain the same basic meaning when other letters added then yes (for the most part). This is a non-technical answer.

              Salam,
              Arnab

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                pvb
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                Yes, Y9r is tend.

                John 21
                15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep . root word rm0 = affirm, say, speak, announce, ?word?].

                16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep . root word = 0br9

                This can get really confusing- root of 0br9 = Br9

                17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep . root word = 0qn

                I just found the forum on peshitta.org. They are discussing John 2115-17 in trying to prove that the greek translations came from the aramaic.

                In the Peshitta, the words Maran uses to denote "sheep" are 3 distinct words, as opposed to the Greek, which only uses 2 ('Arnion', Lamb, and 'Probaton', Adult Sheep.)

                The original Aramaic words used are as follows

                0rm0 (Amrea) - Young Sheep (Lamb, word# 1330)

                0br9 (Aerba) - Adult Sheep (Masculine, word# 16205)

                And, finally, the one that stumped the Greek translator(s)

                0wqn (Niqwa) - "Ewe", Adult Sheep (Feminine, word# 13542 - which, by the way, the Lexicon has coded to an erroneous Lexeme and Root - this word even stumped the creators of the Lexicon!)

                The last word is a very rare word, used only once in the OT Peshitta (as NQWA), and found only once in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The root NQWA simply means, "female", but it is very rarely used because there are other words which mean "female" that were more popularly spoken.

                When the Greek translator(s) of Yukhanan ran across this word, they simply substituted "Probaton" again in verse 17, the same word used in verse 16 - they had no idea how to translate it.

                In the process, the teaching of the Messiah was diluted - Maran Eshoa was asking Shimon to "tend" all of his "sheep" - men, women and children.

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                  unknownuser
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                  Salam pvb,

                  Great! Sounds like you are starting to grasp on the language.

                  I personally don't go on the Peshitta forums much. But I did spend a great deal of time researching the Peshitta primacy.

                  Salam,
                  Arnab

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                    pvb
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                    But wait, why not use the word used in the first verse for word?

                    Flm
                    Miltha, cause, matter, word

                    I found another free downlaod interlinear translation of the peshitta on

                    http//www.lulu.com/content/755577

                    Verse 1

                    (The Word) atlm (had been) awh (existing) yhwtya (In the Origin *) tysrb

                    (God) ahla (with) twl (had been) awh (existing) yhwtya (Word) atlm (& That) whw

                    (Word) atlm (That) wh (was) awh (Himself) yhwtya (& God) ahlaw

                    LOL! The script is different though and I am trying to learn how to put it into the lexicon! LOL!

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                      unknownuser
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                      Salam pvb,

                      I would suggest learning the actual Syriac/Aramaic Alphabet and then relying on that.
                      It will save you a lot of frustration in the long run. Because, there is no common transliteration.

                      For instance, with the word Amr you can see it transliterated as Amr Aamr or 'amr or 'mr.
                      There is no "rule" that dictates how it should be written in English.

                      That is why you see some people write "Koran" and some write "Quran." The spelling changes when we try to write the sounds using English letters but the spelling doesn't change in Arabic.

                      And, thanks for the link.

                      Salam,
                      Arnab

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