Just some ideas regarding religion in an Islamic State based on the Qur'an Alone
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This one of my first posts so sorry if I am doing something wrong lol!!! &
All children between the ages of 7 and 11 (unless their parents' object) must have lessons on the Qur'an (Alone) and its interpretation so that the progressive, ijtihadi spirit of Islam can be revived. Also, discussions must take place on topics ranging from Code 19 to the messengership to the nature of God and even to whether the Qur'an really is divinely created (and, on that line, whether there even is a God). If a pupil wishes he can take the subject further onto secondary school, sixth form, etc. However, no religious courts or clergy may exist. Instead, if any person extensively learned in the Qur'an whishes to hold any form of power he must win it like any other person running for a position in the National Council and there will be NO special offices for religious leaders, scholars, etc. This would allow the most popular interpretations to suceed entirely democratically and no clergy will be able to establish itself. However, no interpretations of Qur'anic law which would infringe upon the rights of anybody else to practice their interpretation must be allowed to succeed (the Supreme Court must vote on every religiously based law passed in the National Court and can overturn it with a 5/6ths majority). All laws, religious or non-religious, must be passed as if they were secular laws (minimal to no mention of God, Scripture, etc) so that they must not be implemented "because God says so" but for the benefit of the citizens.
Please feel free to discuss your opinions on this.
Peace
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I have similair ideas presented in my Qur'anic Cosmology
http//deenrc.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/quranic-cosmology-a-short-introduction-by-ay-mol-e-2.pdf
This essay is a short scientific introduction into the wide topic of the Quranic cosmology. Using a scientific approach, the cosmology is laid out in 27 short steps. What is attempted to do is to present the worldview of the Quran and tried to connect it together with present scientific and philosophical opinions. Arabic words will be explained which show the rational approach the Quran has on the universe. The presentation will begin with the creation of the blueprint of the universe, its formation of its laws, the creation of the universe, the planets, life, humans, and then it will move on the formation of societies, why societies are in conflict, how we can solve these issues, what is our goal in the universe, how can we create a world society, how we can develop as species, the formation of the new universe and how mankind is placed within the new creation based on its deeds.
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Peace,
Respectfully.God AllPOwerful, The Mostb Wise, has given us brains.
He has taught us how to use it.
We should then presen the Quran, Torah, Bible, hadeeth to the people in such a state, in an Islamic state, Islamic Country, Quranic country, and then ask them which book makes sense.God guides whom He wants.
Child is not yet been brainwashed, right, so he will choose on his own.
In school we accept what they tell us because we haven't seen enough movie, haven't read enough material, haven't spoken to many people, just those teachers at that school, right?So, when they tell us that frogs lay eggs at the nearest tree, we believe it. Untill we go to the forest and discover something else frogs lay eggs in water not at the trees. The research goes on and we start using our brains.
Glory be to God.
If a man knows how to build a bomb and make pasta, as a child he also knows how to lie to mommy and daddy about the broken vase. The older sister did it when she was dancing. The dog did it when i chased him. Bird flew into it. Cage was open.....Glory be to God.
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What if I am a resident and decide not to follow any religion at all ? Will the legal system be based on what muslims are commanded by Allah to do ?
Peace
----------- Student of Allah
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What if I am a resident and decide not to follow any religion at all ? Will the legal system be based on what muslims are commanded by Allah to do ?
Peace
----------- Student of Allah
Good point. I have noticed that many Koranist are bogged down in legalism and ritualism. Two things the Koran did not come to dictate to us but only guide us. This usually is a tell tale sign of a Jewish or Musoim background as these two religions are heavy on legalism and ritualism.
The law of justice in the Koran of course is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and a nose for a nose(equal retribution) but never more. Also no bearer of burden should bear the burden of another. This is the law of justice in the Koran. So retribution should be equal to the burden imposed and by the person responsible. This is of course rejected by Judaosm which believe a Jewish eye is worth a thousand gentile eyes and the Muslims who believe an eye for an eye lash and a tooth for a jaw.
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peace SofA,
I recommend chapter 9. It basically shows that non-believers can practice their own faith (or no faith in your hypothetical) as long as they live by the laws of the land.
I also recommend http//www.amazon.com/Muhammad-Believers-At-Origins-Islam/dp/0674050975
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This one of my first posts so sorry if I am doing something wrong lol!!! &
All children between the ages of 7 and 11 (unless their parents' object) must have lessons on the Qur'an (Alone) and its interpretation so that the progressive, ijtihadi spirit of Islam can be revived. Also, discussions must take place on topics ranging from Code 19 to the messengership to the nature of God and even to whether the Qur'an really is divinely created (and, on that line, whether there even is a God). If a pupil wishes he can take the subject further onto secondary school, sixth form, etc. However, no religious courts or clergy may exist. Instead, if any person extensively learned in the Qur'an whishes to hold any form of power he must win it like any other person running for a position in the National Council and there will be NO special offices for religious leaders, scholars, etc. This would allow the most popular interpretations to suceed entirely democratically and no clergy will be able to establish itself. However, no interpretations of Qur'anic law which would infringe upon the rights of anybody else to practice their interpretation must be allowed to succeed (the Supreme Court must vote on every religiously based law passed in the National Court and can overturn it with a 5/6ths majority). All laws, religious or non-religious, must be passed as if they were secular laws (minimal to no mention of God, Scripture, etc) so that they must not be implemented "because God says so" but for the benefit of the citizens.
Please feel free to discuss your opinions on this.
Peace
Why advocate a state at all? A state permits the use of violence and coercion to achieve its aims.
It makes no difference whether the state is secular, or ran by a religious institution. Socialism is slavery. Slavery is socialism. And socialism is the state. Any form of a state is a contradiction to freedom and liberty. -
Why advocate a state at all? A state permits the use of violence and coercion to achieve its aims.
It makes no difference whether the state is secular, or ran by a religious institution. Socialism is slavery. Slavery is socialism. And socialism is the state. Any form of a state is a contradiction to freedom and liberty.Agree. The only acceptable law is the Natural Law, following the rules Allah mentioned in the Quran, the world would be perfect.
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I think I like this society. Frankly modern hadither societies suck and partially because they don't allow any dissenting thought to take place. Humans were given brains for an important reason and giving clergy too much power does take away from that.
Clergy shouldn't exist in the first place. Nor any kind of authority that's not Allah or a special man Allah choose.
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Salaam to all sun
Wise words,Kaiokenred bravo if each one of us know his/her place in society and start to balance , we dont need 1 guy ruling 1 country, we may have congregations to improve each area/field of work, knowledge etc, but no need KINg, president, prime minister, dictator from right lef or middle center, if people real know what they are doing here they will work for comunity and for thems with pleasure and trust, with tolerance and self discipline and self struggle, not by impositions of a piramidal MAfia supremacy that conects most of countries today..
AMERICAN DEMOCRACY? no thank you
Sharia HAditers? no thank you
European paganism and greco style republik? no thank you
Living by AQ? yes WE CAN and yes i WantAllah divide us into different languages but LAnd frontiers are man made. The creation of inimity and untolerance comes genarally to what is unknown to us, when you dont know something you tend to look strange to it, so as time runs, is up to us to get knowledge and make knowledge flow from 4 corners, each one of us is important tool to spread info to next generations , and in my opinion knowledge sometimes comes from where we dont expect, its on us to dig search, balance, take care of evoluting our reason and counscence toughts and acts, no need political piramidal system for us humans to live in peace..only ISlam education tolerance and free minds
The (you)parts is not to you directly KAiokenred, it could be me, just a statment hehehe
SAlaam
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I think I like this society. Frankly modern hadither societies suck and partially because they don't allow any dissenting thought to take place. Humans were given brains for an important reason and giving clergy too much power does take away from that.
You like which society?
You blame "hadither society" or the clegy having too much power.But have you ever realised, the problem was never religion, but the centralisation of religion. No actually, it was not even the centralisation of religion, but the centralisation of power. That is the STATE was and is the problem for all things.
By saying "you like this society" in the beginning, I assume you are advocating socialism here, as almost every society in the world today has elements of socialism rooted within them. It is the state that does not allow dissent.
Like you said, humans were given brains for a reason. How shameful our brains are, for even in the 21st century, we still believe that the state is a moral good.
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This one of my first posts so sorry if I am doing something wrong lol!!! &
All children between the ages of 7 and 11 (unless their parents' object) must have lessons on the Qur'an (Alone) and its interpretation so that the progressive, ijtihadi spirit of Islam can be revived. Also, discussions must take place on topics ranging from Code 19 to the messengership to the nature of God and even to whether the Qur'an really is divinely created (and, on that line, whether there even is a God). If a pupil wishes he can take the subject further onto secondary school, sixth form, etc. However, no religious courts or clergy may exist. Instead, if any person extensively learned in the Qur'an whishes to hold any form of power he must win it like any other person running for a position in the National Council and there will be NO special offices for religious leaders, scholars, etc. This would allow the most popular interpretations to suceed entirely democratically and no clergy will be able to establish itself. However, no interpretations of Qur'anic law which would infringe upon the rights of anybody else to practice their interpretation must be allowed to succeed (the Supreme Court must vote on every religiously based law passed in the National Court and can overturn it with a 5/6ths majority). All laws, religious or non-religious, must be passed as if they were secular laws (minimal to no mention of God, Scripture, etc) so that they must not be implemented "because God says so" but for the benefit of the citizens.
Please feel free to discuss your opinions on this.
Peace
Thats imposing things on people. You can not impose Quranic lessons. Plus a 7 years old can not understand the Quran. This sounds like Sunni talk and how 7 years old must be told to pray. A Quranic state is a free state.
