Did God punish and kill innocent children too?
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Salam,
The question remains, why would He intervene to punish people and not to help them directly instead of indirectly as discussed above.
What makes you think that God working through humans to help the needy is "indirect?"
By that same reasoning you can say..."why does God use earthquakes or hurricanes or hail stones instead of something more "direct?"
We know that in some cases the earthquake and the hail stones (as an example) are direct from God. Just because they can be explained by nature does not mean that they are not "directly from God."
The fact is that the hurricane, earthquake for punishment
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the person helping the needy for benefit is direct from God.What would satisfy you as "direct?" Angels being sent down in white with halos that shine? (sarcasm)
God works through his laws and he intervenes through his laws. And we have the Quran to tell us how to follow these laws to make sure that they are carried out. This includes helping those in need.
Salam,
Arnab -
We at DRC are not socialistic, nor is Dr. Shabbir. Please read everything before making your judgements.
I will never say all of you are. Forgive me if I implied this; however the following is from the DRC intro
The need for them to unite under a secular, socialistic political system wherein man can find peace and is focused on benefiting the species as a whole.
And the following excerpt is from Dr. Shabbir Ahmed?s qxp-iv
The Qur'an urges to be social with your own capital, thus it does not present a social system wherein everything belongs to the state.
I completely agree with you.
It urges mankind to be social with what it has earned themselves, thus it presents a social-capitalism.
Precisely.
If you had read the articles and books you would have understood this.
I suppose you?re right. I suppose I do need to read the articles on the DRC website.
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Salam,
What makes you think that God working through humans to help the needy is "indirect?"
By that same reasoning you can say..."why does God use earthquakes or hurricanes or hail stones instead of something more "direct?"
We know that in some cases the earthquake and the hail stones (as an example) are direct from God. Just because they can be explained by nature does not mean that they are not "directly from God."
The fact is that the hurricane, earthquake for punishment
and
the person helping the needy for benefit is direct from God.What would satisfy you as "direct?" Angels being sent down in white with halos that shine? (sarcasm)
God works through his laws and he intervenes through his laws. And we have the Quran to tell us how to follow these laws to make sure that they are carried out. This includes helping those in need.
Salam,
ArnabNow we are almost on the same line of thinking, before you only said God intervened, now you use words I agree with.
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Salam Arnold,
LOL bravo
Salam,
Arnab -
The need for them to unite under a secular, socialistic political system wherein man can find peace and is focused on benefiting the species as a whole.
Socialistic doesn't make it Marxist or Communistic, it just makes it more social.
And the following excerpt is from Dr. Shabbir Ahmeds qxp-iv
This doesn't take away that people still work for their own capital. It only refers to that the land must be shared equally and not be owned through "I got here first" or to landlord-ship as is done now in many poor countries. Land can be rent or bought, but everyone must have the same opportunity to have access to it.
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Intervention is a hard subject to understand at the moment for me.
Some opinions are God doesn't intervene.
Some say God does intervene and breaks His Laws.
Some others state God intervenes through His Laws.
Im confused ???
Which option would you choose or have I missed an option?
PEACE
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I do not believe He intervenes, all things are already programmed into the universe itself, so it needs no outside working anymore. There ar eno flaws in it (506).
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Wouldn't you say wahi=divine inspiration is a form of intervention as God didn't have to send us a message??
"It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a Messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills, for He is most high, most wise."
From this one could understand that God does intervene through His laws in the form of inspiration.
I guess with intervention at the moment in my understanding its all or nothing, either God intervenes or He doesn't!
PEACE
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That is also the only intervention I agree on, but even this is an information exchange, not a change of the universe or an overruling of its laws.
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This doesn't take away that people still work for their own capital. It only refers to that the land must be shared equally and not be owned through "I got here first"
"I got here first" doesn't seem like a valid claim of ownership to land but I think it's unquranic, illogical and immoral to evict people who've inherited land that may have been claimed in such a way.
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That is also not intended to be the procedure. The Qur' anic system can only work when people see its beneficience and volunteer to cooperate.